Ak-47 vs. M-16

hi all,,,,well ak is just simply the best gun out there right now ,,,and lets all welcome the new ats weapons expert HARD RED to the message boards,,,,viva las armas!!!!

Here it is in a nutshell...we're gonna go down the line on why the AK-47 is better...
1) It's 7.62 baby...a good quarter inch larger overall than the nato restricted 5.56 round the M-16 is chambered for. That equals greater stopping power.
2) Most would say that once an AK is dismantled, it's hard to reassemble, to this I say take a shower 'till the ignorance washes off...ANY WEAPON CAN BE DISASSEMBLED AND REASSEMBLED...the difficulty level is always different but that's neither here nor there...when the weapon needs disassembly, it needs disassembly...period.
3) Reliability- During Vietnam, U.S. soldiers frequently washed, pipe cleaned and maintained the feed and slides and covered the barrels in sack cloth to prevent it from jamming or stove-piping...which the M-16 did often. AK-47 Jams were practically non-existent, except in the most extreme cases of lack of maintenance.
4) The AK's gas operated blowback made quick rechambering of the next round seamless. (The new 74 builds even further on that concept)
5) The M-16 had only slightly better aim...various improvement's to the original AK's design have seen the AK be equipped with superb suppression, lengthened barrels, modular bays for housing various goodies and, above all, the improved blowback system, which in my opinion never needed to be improved. Theres even a tactical buttstock I just learned about the has a very effective dull matt finish and excellent design for usability!

In closing, the AR/M variants of the original Stoner design, although greatly imporved do not offer the superior stopping power, gas operated seamless chambering and ease of use the AK offers...not to mention if you're going to bring the disassembly argument to light, how well construscted must the AR/M Stoner M-16 variants be to even worry about the disassembly aspect? Although disassembly of any weapon is always necessary, cleaning and maintenance aren't at the forground of the AK's reliability issue list as it is with the AR/M variants.

[Edited on 13-5-2004 by Hard Red]

[Edited on 13-5-2004 by Hard Red]

thanks for the hearty welcome, WarArts!

PS- I read someone say the 74 only fires 5.56...this is absolutely not true...it fires both 5.56 and 7.62...neither are the standard and its up to the user to decide which round works for him

I also like the HK G36 and the F-2000...but thats just me

I also like the P-900

Originally posted by Kano
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Gotta love the AUG. Accurate, reliable and made even better by the Australian Army. I've always like the European rifles better, Steyr, H&K G36. BUt between the AK and M16 I'd go with th AK. Sounds more reliable.

I'd like to say that both are very fine rifles, IMHO.

The AK is clearly the more reliable weapon, while the M16A2 is more accurate.

As for the stoping power I would like to add something... The AK and the M16 are about equal (despite the difference in the size of cartridge), assuming that the full length barrel is used on the M16. This is because the .223 NATO was designed to yaw once it peirced it's target. This makes the round "carve" into the body of it's target.

Over all, I'd say I would pick my weapon depending on the situation. For the things the US does - as in fighting inferior enemies and subsequent ocupation - the M16 is better. If it were WWIII though, I might feel better about having the sturdyness of that AK on my shoulder.

why not just take both !
use one as a sniper (m16)
and 1 as a close weapon(ak47)

eswat.free.fr...://eswat.free.fr/pics/p90-04.jpgeswat.free.fr... the 9-900 is just a p90 modified,,, there are a few p90 custom weapons out now,,,,,

sorry im new here,,,,im working on uploading pics to the message board,,,,

The M16A2 would be better compared to the AK-101, 103, or 107. The A2 is definitly superior to the 47, it's much more accurate and will not jam if you clean it.

eswat.free.fr...://eswat.free.fr/pics/p90-05.jpg

still working on pics here,,,hufffff.....not as easy as it looked,,

ok,, so as i wrote before ,,,the p90 has many rare modified versions of it,,,,and the p-900 is just one of many custom versions,,,,,,

Originally posted by Kozzy
The M16A2 would be better compared to the AK-101, 103, or 107. The A2 is definitly superior to the 47, it's much more accurate and will not jam if you clean it.

um u do realise we said that about the SA-80 and what happens ? it jams in sand even when u clean it
we spent 2 million on r+d trying to sort it and what do we improve? nothin!

if i had to pic any gun in the world to fight,, this would be it!!! ,,,,,,,this or one of its many variants,,,ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTE!!!

Originally posted by wararts
still working on pics here,,,hufffff.....not as easy as it looked,,

I can see the heavily modified P-90 in this pic, I was just wondering as to whether you had any more details about it, such as it appears to have a .223 magazine.

Thanks in advance.

ok,,well it is not a well known weapon,,,the p900 is modified to accept this type of ammo due to .....1 an internal overhaul of the chambre and barrel .......2 an extra bullet storage expansion unit on its rear....thats all the info i have gotten on this very exotic weapon,,,,if i find out more i will post the info,,,,

Ugh -- I don't really feeel like reading all the posts -- for an AK Variant, I'd go for the Galil SAR. Looks like a toughie -- for a Kalashnikov either AK-101, or 105 with GP-25/30 attached