Ak-47 vs. M-16

Originally posted by Salem
I clean my C7a1 one time a day, it takes me between
1:30 to 2:30 minutes. I disagree that the AK47 is better, AK47 is used by all poor third world countries for the unique reason that it is a cheap weapon. The 75 m of effectivness make it totally useless in 75% of battle situation. I could take out your entire squad at 700m with my scoped version of m16 and you couldn't even shot once.

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by Salem]

Where are you going to find a 700m shot?

In the forest?

In city?

most combat is at 75m.

Why couldn't they use a scoped AK-47 and shoot at you?

Originally posted by Outtis
Why couldn't they use a scoped AK-47 and shoot at you?

Good point AK-47s do have scopes.

Its not like it just the American who have scopes.

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by Salem
I clean my C7a1 one time a day, it takes me between
1:30 to 2:30 minutes. I disagree that the AK47 is better, AK47 is used by all poor third world countries for the unique reason that it is a cheap weapon. The 75 m of effectivness make it totally useless in 75% of battle situation. I could take out your entire squad at 700m with my scoped version of m16 and you couldn't even shot once.

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by Salem]

Where are you going to find a 700m shot?

In the forest?

In city?

most combat is at 75m.

If there was a war in my country cities, combats
wouldn't be at 75m... but at 300 and 400m. I don't have
any knowledge of eastern europe architecture so
it's probably different in your country... But 75m is a
very close range, in most of the cases an ennemy would
die before getting so close. You won't always fight in
deep forest, but in mountains, in clear feilds and in
industrial environnement.


But that's my opinion...

Originally posted by Outtis
Why couldn't they use a scoped AK-47 and shoot at you?

The accurancy of the weapon.

Originally posted by Salem

Originally posted by Russian

Where are you going to find a 700m shot?

In the forest?

In city?

most combat is at 75m.

If there was a war in my country cities, combats
wouldn't be at 75m... but at 300 and 400m. I don't have
any knowledge of eastern europe architecture so
it's probably different in your country... But 75m is a
very close range, in most of the cases an ennemy would
die before getting so close. You won't always fight in
deep forest, but in mountains, in clear feilds and in
industrial environnement.


But that's my opinion...

for that the have mortors and snipers.

Also look ^^^^up there I got a pic of an AK-47 with a scope.

SO if you shoot at me I can shoot back.

WITH MORE FIRE POWER!

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by Russian]

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by Salem

Originally posted by Russian

Where are you going to find a 700m shot?

In the forest?

In city?

most combat is at 75m.

If there was a war in my country cities, combats
wouldn't be at 75m... but at 300 and 400m. I don't have
any knowledge of eastern europe architecture so
it's probably different in your country... But 75m is a
very close range, in most of the cases an ennemy would
die before getting so close. You won't always fight in
deep forest, but in mountains, in clear feilds and in
industrial environnement.


But that's my opinion...

for that the have mortors and snipers.

Also look ^^^^up there I got a pic of an AK-47 with a scope.

SO if you shoot at me I can shoot back.

WITH MORE FIRE POWER!

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by Russian]

Yes Russian, but I don't think you'll hit me( maybe if you unload three magazines joking )... Not that you lack of skill, but the ak47 lack of accurency.

Originally posted by Salem

Yes Russian, but I don't think you'll hit me( maybe if you unload three magazines

joking )... Not that you lack of skill, but the ak47 lack of accurency.

I can shoot a AK-47 at 300m and make it in a target as big as your head.

so with a scope trust me i wont miss.

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by Salem

Yes Russian, but I don't think you'll hit me( maybe if you unload three magazines

joking )... Not that you lack of skill, but the ak47 lack of accurency.

I can shoot a AK-47 at 300m and make it in a target as big as your head.

so with a scope trust me i wont miss.

Ho, I trust you russian, and I hope you won't miss me,
because unless you're inhuman an you can run from
300m to 650m and more in one seconds you're going
to have a detailed description of the 5.56 mm NATO
right in your butt. ( kidding )

Originally posted by Salem

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by Salem

Yes Russian, but I don't think you'll hit me( maybe if you unload three magazines

joking )... Not that you lack of skill, but the ak47 lack of accurency.

I can shoot a AK-47 at 300m and make it in a target as big as your head.

so with a scope trust me i wont miss.

Ho, I trust you russian, and I hope you won't miss me,
because unless you're inhuman an you can run from
300m to 650m and more in one seconds you're going
to have a detailed description of the 5.56 mm NATO

right in your butt. ( kidding )

i wont die from that.

but if a 7.62(something like that) enters your head then you are gone to after life.

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by Salem

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by Salem

Yes Russian, but I don't think you'll hit me( maybe if you unload three magazines

joking )... Not that you lack of skill, but the ak47 lack of accurency.

I can shoot a AK-47 at 300m and make it in a target as big as your head.

so with a scope trust me i wont miss.

Ho, I trust you russian, and I hope you won't miss me,
because unless you're inhuman an you can run from
300m to 650m and more in one seconds you're going
to have a detailed description of the 5.56 mm NATO

right in your butt. ( kidding )

i wont die from that.

but if a 7.62(something like that) enters your head then you are gone to after life.

In the butt ? Maybe not, in the Head ? Sure you're
gone, in the chest ? You're neutralized, even if it's a
smaller calliber, that's still a bullet.

Again the old chestnut of accuracy...knowledge about the history of the production of AK47 would clue you on to why AK47s had less accuracy per batch of rifles than the M16.

The AK47 was hurriedly mass-produced, with tools and equipment that were inferior to those used in the production of the M16...the rifling machines were notorious for flaws due to the lathe-bearings being slogged out in part due to their age and lack of maintanence, but more due to the endless production/usage and not taking time to change them out to keep the rifling true. The actions were fine, the barrel setting again had flaws due to the age and lack of maintanence of the machinery. Americans had better machines, better maintanence schedules and made LESS of the rifle in question...so percentage of 'duds' were substantially less.

However...I have used a number of AKs which were produced after the inital 'mad rush' period of AK production...AKs that were machined with better tools, better equipment...and I can assure you there is little to quibble about when it comes to a well-machined AKs accuracy...scope it, put it in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing and anything moving is history, just like a 16. The later production AKs are fantastically accurate...maybe because they were produced with similar machinery used in the production of the Druganov...perhaps one of the best robust, accurate sniper-application semi 'assault-rifles' around.



Peace,
ALIEN

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by alien]

Originally posted by alien
Again the old chestnut of accuracy...knowledge about the history of the production of AK47 would clue you on to why AK47s had less accuracy per batch of rifles than the M16.

The AK47 was hurriedly mass-produced, with tools and equipment that were inferior to those used in the production of the M16...the rifling machines were notorious for flaws due to the lathe-bearings being slogged out in part due to their age and lack of maintanence, but more due to the endless production/usage and not taking time to change them out to keep the rifling true. The actions were fine, the barrel setting again had flaws due to the age and lack of maintanence of the machinery. Americans had better machines, better maintanence schedules and made LESS of the rifle in question...so percentage of 'duds' were substantially less.

However...I have used a number of AKs which were produced after the inital 'mad rush' period of AK production...AKs that were machined with better tools, better equipment...and I can assure you there is little to quibble about when it comes to a well-machined AKs accuracy...scope it, put it in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing and anything moving is history, just like a 16. The later production AKs are fantastically accurate...maybe because they were produced with similar machinery used in the production of the Druganov...perhaps one of the best robust, accurate sniper-application semi 'assault-rifles' around.



Peace,
ALIEN

[Edited on 20-11-2003 by alien]

I see your point alien but there's a lot of ameliorated version of the m16 too.

Originally posted by Salem

I see your point alien but there's a lot of ameliorated version of the m16 too.

but not as many or as ggod as the AK-47.

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by Salem

I see your point alien but there's a lot of ameliorated version of the m16 too.

but not as many or as ggod as the AK-47.

You really like this weapon isn't it ? Do you sleep with it ?

Originally posted by Salem

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by Salem

I see your point alien but there's a lot of ameliorated version of the m16 too.

but not as many or as ggod as the AK-47.

You really like this weapon isn't it ? Do you sleep with it ?

accualy i like the ak-74 better.

But yes this is a good weapon.

or at least better then a m-16.

please find some upgrades for m-16

Canadian C7a1 wich is not comparable...

Originally posted by Salem
Canadian C7a1 wich is not comparable...

no just a plain m-16

The Canadian C7a1 is an upgrade to the m16, adapted to our climatic conditions, upgraded with more fire power, even less recoil and a trully higher stability.

Originally posted by Salem
The Canadian C7a1 is an upgrade to the m16, adapted to our climatic conditions, upgraded with more fire power, even less recoil and a trully higher stability.

please fond as mudh as you can with links and pics.

thank you


I will look for the AK-47