An open invitiation/challenge to the Psychics of the board....

Originally posted by Azazelus

1. Tell me things about my life or the life of those around me (loved ones). Tell me things that nobody would know from a simple Google search or vague generalizations.....

You like to play chess and have read books on improving your game.
You like to sell stuff on ebay.
You have an older brother that you wish you had a closer relationship with.

Originally posted by Sparky63

Originally posted by Azazelus

1. Tell me things about my life or the life of those around me (loved ones). Tell me things that nobody would know from a simple Google search or vague generalizations.....

You like to play chess and have read books on improving your game.
You like to sell stuff on ebay.
You have an older brother that you wish you had a closer relationship with.

Sorry, but all 3 are false...

1. Chess is ok...just another board game to me....I play maybe once a year...if that...

2. I have never sold anything on eBay...

3. I have no older brother...

I'm not trying to put you down in any way. I am just confirming that your statements are false.

Ed Littlefox - That is very interesting and intriguing...I should like to see something like that take place. It is a subject I have heard of before. It sounds like you do have a gift, but again, not trying to be rude, I would have to witness such an event personally to believe it.

As far as the Tickle test....I took it too, but I can't remember my results...I was like 97 in something...70 in something....yadda yadda yadda.....To me, it is not a valid test of ability as it presents you with choices....I would lean towards remote viewing as a more valid test of ability....

I could make my own "quiz," yes, but what that would do is give you options to choose from and the questions themselves would let you obtain information that you could not know otherwise....such as:

"What is my wife's name?"

Sorry for the double post (if someone doesn't post anything before I finish this one) but I wouldn't have had room in my last one for this...

Originally posted by ilandrah
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Anyways, as the actual challenge presented by the OP, can I flip it on you and ask exactly what information you would like? What would prove psychic ability to you and what kind of failure rate would you find acceptable?

Present some questions that would have multiple answers like the tickle test did, but do not make it multiple choice.
That would seem like a fairer idea to me and would also presumably resolve the issue of what might be found using internet searches and profile information.

First of all, let me say I really respect your input into my topic. You seem to share some of the same sentiments I do towards the whole psychic phenomena...

If nobody comes up with anything interesting in a few days, I might just have to make some sort of questionaire. I have to be careful because I don't want to give away information that would lead to educated guesses....

As far as what I am looking for....I know I listed 2 things in the original post, and myabe I shouldn't have. All I want is proof that anything outside my normal realm of scientific process of analyzing things, can, and does, occur in the field of psychic abilities. I will not limit it to the 2 examples I asked for, but anything at all that will make me stop and say "Hey, that is very strange indeed."

As far as an acceptable failure rate, that is interesting...Should I even allow failure at all to be accepted? What if someone is close, but not entirely correct? Hmmm.... I would say it would be fair that if someone is close, to let them know it. Then we could see what they could do knowing that they were close.

I don't want to turn this into a "What have I got in my pockets?" game.....That would automatically lend the information that it must be something small enough to fit in there in the first place, not to mention bring out the trolls that would toss out random guesses....

Hopefully, I have made my intentions a little clearer.....

Thanks again for all the input...

Originally posted by Azazelus

I'm not trying to put you down in any way. I am just confirming that your statements are false.

I figured they would all be wrong. I did a quick search for your username and I got three links to various forums with some of this info. It was just a stab in the dark. Personally I don't believe in psychic abilities.

If I was John Edwards or some other TV psychic I would have framed my statements like this:

"You like to play chess or some other board game where some type of object is manipulated or moved. Is this registering on any level? (This would pretty much open the door to any type of game you have played. Might be checkers, chess, monopoly....ect.)

Ebay or some other online service is coming to mind. You either sell items or have purchased items online. Technology doesn't frighten you. (This would pretty much guarantee some type of "Hit". )

You have a older male figure in your life, a brother, uncle, father or cousin that you wish you were closer to...... and the scam continues.

Cold reading like this can seem remarkable if a hit is made. From there on a level of trust is built up and the so called psychic continues to glean more info from the statements of the "victim".
I am not claiming to be good at this, but I have seen it done numerous times.

Now if any "Psychic" can tell you your mothers maiden name or your email password, then I might become a believer.

Heh..I completely agree with the way most "psychics" come to their conclusions..

Anyone can learn to "observe".....it isn't hard at all...

Example:

Upon entering a restaurant I see an elderly man heading towards the exit with a younger female. As they walk by, I notice the following:

He is walking with a limp, but has no cane or other device to aid him.
He has a trucker's cap on with a Navy insignia on the front, along with some sort of ship identification number.
His wallet is in his right-side rear pocket.

The woman is rambling through her purse while holding a receipt in one hand.
She is not wearing a wedding ring.
She bears some resemblance to the older gentleman.

From these observations (all of which could be made in a matter of seconds) I can tell you these things (followed by a rough estimate of each thing being correct):

1. The man is right handed. (99%)
2. He served in the Navy on a submarine. (95%)
3. His wife is deceased. (95%)
4. He has minor Arthritis in his left knee. (85%)
5. The woman is his daughter. (99%)
6. The woman paid for the meal. (100%)
7. The woman was married at one time, but went through a hard divorce. (90%)
8. The woman is driving the pair home. (100%)
9. The pair are fairly close to one another, but the woman feels as though she doesn't see her father as much as she should. (70%)
10. The man spends most of his time with hobbies, etc. He takes little time to worry about his appearance. (90%)

Now sure, I made these guesses based on observations. My point is, sometimes we can guess things pretty close to reality based on evidence that already exists.

1. I was sure he was right-handed, as most men place their wallet on the side of their dominant hand.
2. The hat should be a dead giveaway, and there really is no reason for him to be wearing it, or to even own it, otherwise.
3. The man still wears a wedding band, but his wife was not present.
4. Something is causing his limp, and if it were something such as hip surgery, at his apparent age anyways, he should have a cane or walker.
5. The likeness is too great.
6. She's holding the receipt. His wallet is in his pants. Why would she be holding the receipt otherwise?
7. Her ring finger is slightly smaller where it meets her hand. This is typical of someone who has worn a ring on that finger for a good amount of time. Her overall appearance seems like she doesn't take too great of herself and her teeth are tinted from smoking. Besides, how often do you hear of a good divorce?
8. She's pillaging through her purse as if she is looking for keys. The man does not appear to be in driving condition.
9. This is kind of a shot in the dark. The restaurant isn't the most high class place. The woman looks as though she is a little uncomfortable, and that taking him out to eat was some sort of kind gesture that she normally doesn't do. In general though, most people would say that they do not spend the amount of time with loved ones as they should.
10. He is unshaven, kind of dressed down (even for this establishment), and seemingly doesn't mind. His shirt has something to do with a coin collecting society.

All these things, of course, could lead to further speculation. I could make assumptions on if the man had seen any active duty, if the woman's marital problems came from a cheating spouse, or if the woman's mother (the man's wife) was lost from some sort of disease. Also, if I thought hard enough about the region, I could come up with some general first names found around there and ask them if "Susan" (for example) had any significance to them.....

These are the types of things that I think are absurd to think require any supernatural "powers". To me, it is common logic and general guessing.

I am looking for the exact opposite. Something that, without a doubt, is remarkable.

I'm getting something... hang on!

You don't mind the game of chess but you aren't a big fan of it.
You have no older brother
You DO NOT put your stuff on Ebay.


Some more coming through.....

OK

Although you have heard of the band The Rolling Stones you were never actually a band member.
You have a television but you do not have a bowling alley.
You were once a child
At some point today you are planning to eat something
Once, when you fell asleep, you had a dream.
You often feel attracted to certain people but sometimes you don't feel attracted to other certain people.
You have a few family coincidences, 2 of these are that your birthday happens to be the exact same date that you were born. Also, strangely, many of your immediate family actually have the exact same surname!
You like to recieve gifts.
You do not like being ill.
Your favourite film is the best, as far as you are concerned.
You either have a job or will one day have a job.
and
Whilst typing your leading post you made a mistake that you corrected when you realised.



Sorry if this isn't 100% right, my mind is elsewhere as I am a bit depressed due to losing my wallet in the pub next week.




[edit on 29-12-2006 by triplesod]

Originally posted by Azazelus

Ed Littlefox - That is very interesting and intriguing...I should like to see something like that take place. It is a subject I have heard of before. It sounds like you do have a gift, but again, not trying to be rude, I would have to witness such an event personally to believe it.

Azazelus--

Not a problem, I certainly can understand your reasoning, and I take no offense. Though I wish no ill toward any living creature, I would relish an opportunity to have you present and witness this, just for the purpose of bolstering your own Faith and understanding of the possibilities afforded by Life.

Again, I personally think your point, and your "challenge", is a valid one, and I wish you luck in your research.

Az .... I will only tell you think ... that in your quest of questioning what you already know to be true ... You may be messing with something that you do not wnat to be ... as when "HE" was sent here "HE" was given power over this world and some things in it .... such as a QUIJI BOARD or such things .. why even mess with something of such nature ??DO not question your own existence or why you are here .. Because it is for your loved ones and people around you that you are here in the first place.

ANd you sir are very implicable .... Why even search for things that you are very Leary of ??

Originally posted by Sparky63

Originally posted by Azazelus

1. Tell me things about my life or the life of those around me (loved ones). Tell me things that nobody would know from a simple Google search or vague generalizations.....

You like to play chess and have read books on improving your game.
You like to sell stuff on ebay.
You have an older brother that you wish you had a closer relationship with.

retracted post



[edit on 30-12-2006 by parker]

[edit on 30-12-2006 by parker]

I think a certain amount of inaccuracy should be allowed for.

I have never heard of any psychic who claims to be 100% accurate.
A lot of this would be due to the way that they supposedly recieve the messages. many seem to think that it comes from a higher spiritual level, from guides, from God, or whoever. The medium or psychic is merely the voice piece - the message is filtered by their own thoughts and is influenced by their own experiences, and can never be called a pure message.

That is why they will describe what they 'see' or 'hear', they will say that they have an 'impression' or a sense of something.

It is then up to the person recieving the message to decide if it's close enough to the truth to be acceptable...or not.
So how much evidence would you need, not just the original poster, but each and everyone of you.
This level varies greatly with every person you talk to. Many have already recieved what they consider to be acceptable proof and others will use every trick of logic to insist that it just isn't possible. Does believing in these things make one gullible or spiritual?

Most of us know that science doesn't (yet) have all the answers, but that doesn't make religion correct by default. We need to find our own truth on these matters and I hope that all members are able to do that...All you really need is an open mind.

Originally posted by Azazelus
Heh..I completely agree with the way most "psychics" come to their conclusions..

Anyone can learn to "observe".....it isn't hard at all...

you point it out yourself, Psychics generally do extraordinary mental processes....not supernatural accomplishments.

being observent, reading 'tells' (which a poster on page 2 noted)
but also having a remarkable ability to 'crunch data' like an Actuary will do on a computer program, the'psychic' will do sans a PC/Laptop...and come up with a pretty striking(believeable) prognosis for the subject person.

Psychic is not such a vaulted term, 'psychic'= stripped to its essential merely means....things relating to, affecting, or focused on/influenced by the human mind------>
the title 'Psychic', stripped down only means a person focused on the mental world rather than the physical & natural world around us.!

any Psychic can be at any level; a charlatan, a street performer type, a con artist, a parasite on society type...
a 'never-break-a-sweat' lush type, the 'soothsayer' type, there's a whole spectrum of psychics just as there are a broad types of lawyers.



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the post/reply by ? ed littlefox ?,, the Healer Person,
is closer to being a super/or/supra-natural process, as opposed to a 'psychic' phenomena

but you know as well as I that the 'religion of science' will eventually
categorize/define/assess/qualify the seemingly miraculous events he was instrumental in....and break the dramas down into statistics that can be rated into the insurance underwriters/census takers, newer 'actuarial tables'....thus taking away the 'things' than do not lend themselves to commercialization (think 'Psychics', 'magicians', 'illusionists',,,etc)

For starters I don't belleive I am psychic but i'll have a crack anyway,

I beleive you are male (I havn't read what gender you are anywere)
You have a partner you love
You want to write something, say a novel or similar.
you want to beleive in a god but question the whole idea.
you like working with your hands but dont have an incredibly phyisical job.
you beleive you life has purpose and meaning but are unsure what that is.
you keep a group of friends (say 5 or 6) very close but have alot of people that know you.
I would say although you wouldn't want to beleive it there is a spirit close to you at all times and you might want to seek help with that...

Well, even though I think that I don't have any abilities that would actually net an answer that's correct, I'll take a crack at this anyway.

You live in a one-story house (with a basement)
You have a couch, made to sit 3 people that is gray and/or has a red and blue pattern.
You have light brown or dirty-blonde hair.
I get the image of a small boy. I guess he's around kindergarten age or one year too young. He has brown hair, dark, that is. And he is wearing a blue shirt with green stripes, or vice-versa.

Ok, I did something. Probably wrong though. But it was fun.

Ok, I signed up because I wanted to try I'm not a psychic as far as I know, though. Here are my guesses:
You work in a blue collar job
You were well liked in high school
You are 32 years old
How did I do?

While it would be fun to 'turn it on' and show others proof that it 'works', if I could do that, I'd be winning the lottery EVERY friday!!

There are a few people out there whom I've convinced.....but it was just by accident, they just happen to be there when it 'came on', by itself. And even then it was usually nothing spectacular.......like being able to guess the number they'd be thinking of, say 20-25 times in a row, with no misses....(LOL, that one got me accused of being a witch!).....or making some spur of the moment outlandish excuse for not tagging along on a shopping trip, then having that very same outlandinsh thing come to pass!
( I was 25 miles from the 'target' and couldn't have influenced the events in question.)

When it's 'on the money', so to speak, it comes out of the blue. No thinking about what 'I should say', or I 'feel this or that'......it can take me by surprise, leaving me wondering, " why in the world did I say THAT!?"! I rarely 'benefit' from it, at least not on a concious level....

I can't say it's that way for anyone who 'has' this sort of thing, maybe you will find some that can do it at will.......I used to get in trouble for some of the 'predictions' that came true when I was a kid, so maybe I've repressed it when I should have been 'training'? But anytime I 'tried' to make it 'work', it just didn't......

So right now, I have no answers to your questions, but if something hits me out of the blue, when I'm thinking about something else entirely, I'll let you know.....

you are only trying to exploit us. find us out, what we can or cannot do. to control us. so that the others in your group may know who and where we are and what to do about us in the future. lots of luck STARBUCK.

Originally posted by chris01621
For starters I don't belleive I am psychic but i'll have a crack anyway,

I beleive you are male (I havn't read what gender you are anywere)
You have a partner you love
You want to write something, say a novel or similar.
you want to beleive in a god but question the whole idea.
you like working with your hands but dont have an incredibly phyisical job.
you beleive you life has purpose and meaning but are unsure what that is.
you keep a group of friends (say 5 or 6) very close but have alot of people that know you.
I would say although you wouldn't want to beleive it there is a spirit close to you at all times and you might want to seek help with that...

Interestingly, you were astonishingly right on with every single statement....I would like to know how you came to these, or were they just good guesses? I don't really have much personal information on the internet, so I doubt you did any research on me....or if you found anything if you tried....So..please be honest with me about how you got this.....

I got your u2u, but I am still unable to respond....

posted by Hunt3r
Well, even though I think that I don't have any abilities that would actually net an answer that's correct, I'll take a crack at this anyway.

You live in a one-story house (with a basement)
You have a couch, made to sit 3 people that is gray and/or has a red and blue pattern.
You have light brown or dirty-blonde hair.
I get the image of a small boy. I guess he's around kindergarten age or one year too young. He has brown hair, dark, that is. And he is wearing a blue shirt with green stripes, or vice-versa.

Ok, I did something. Probably wrong though. But it was fun.

I'm sorry, but all of your statements are incorrect...Thank you for trying....

posted by somethingsomething
Ok, I signed up because I wanted to try I'm not a psychic as far as I know, though. Here are my guesses:
You work in a blue collar job
You were well liked in high school
You are 32 years old
How did I do?

These were seemingly vague, but I would still say you are incorrect in 2/3 of those, and the other one is kind of iffy....Again, thanks for trying....

posted by frayed1
.....So right now, I have no answers to your questions, but if something hits me out of the blue, when I'm thinking about something else entirely, I'll let you know.....

Thank you for your explanation of how it works with you....Please do share if anything comes to you....

posted by littlebird
you are only trying to exploit us. find us out, what we can or cannot do. to control us. so that the others in your group may know who and where we are and what to do about us in the future. lots of luck STARBUCK.

I am sorry you feel this way, but you are incorrect. There is no group, only me as an individual. I have no other motives than knowledge and understanding...

Sorry for not replying sooner.....I have not had the time to respond until now. I check here at least every other day, so please continue to participate. I will be coming up with some kind of "test" in the near future.....

To the Mods...sorry for all the quotes, but I felt they were needed to organize my individual responses......

I want a piece of the action, I also am no psychic but have been plagued with seeing entities which most people call ghost since childhood, still that gives me no psychic abilities, but here goes,,,

You call yourself an athiest but deep down you are a frightened agnostic*

You have trouble with women and wish you could relate to them better

You either now smoke tobaccoe or did in the past

You have a thinning hair line

speaking of hair, yours is brown

your car is about four years old, and probably a forein make

you are not a real sports fan, but still like to talk about it froom time to time

How did I do?

your wifes name is Elisa.. wild guess

if you give me your full name, the city you live in and your age I could do a checkup.

No I won't search on the internet for information or anything like that, I need the info to connect with you. The only thing I will search with is my mind. I'll be very well protect against any negativity from you.

I post my comment in a U2U, or in case you want personal information to end up here, I could leave it here.

It's up to you!

If I fail, nice try, when I am correct, that should prove paranormal readers do exist. I'm not that evolved but let's say I could give it a try..

greets


edit: your right knee was broken once? just popped in..
normally I require information as asked above.

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