American troops in Israel

Are there American Troops in Israel? If not, why? Think it would make perfect sense to help protect our closest ally in the region.

There shouldn't be for how would that look? The worlds largest promoter of Democracy and freedom supporting a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, a state that has continually defied the geneva convention, and U.N Mandates.

Then again, look at Guantanamo, Abu Garib, and the silent raping of the American Constitution to strip away your right?

The two nations are like two peas in a pot, actually more like Schwarzneggar and Danny De Vito in Twins - Schwarzneggar is the US with big muscles and some brains and Israel as Danny De Vito allways yapping away like a mad rabic Chihuahua puppy alway nipping at the heels of the palestiniansand dragging big ol USA in trouble.

The sooner the US cuts ties with Israel, the better and SAFER it'll be for the american public.

Well, dont you worry about our Constitution and the rights of our people Melbourne Militia, the people who founded our nation had our bases covered. You should look closer to home, like the exploitation of the Aborigines by the Australian Govt, the raging racism and violence against immigrants across Australia and the harassment of refugees.

America is looking after its citizens and its people, our rights are safe and they arent going anywhere. What we do in the world is our business, it only becomes yours if we decide to bomb Sydney or Perth or Melbourne. Till then, you should be more concerned about your country and its people and less about the US and its people and their rights.

As for having US troops in Israel there is no need for that to happen. The IDF is more than capable of securing Israels borders and its interests. All they need is some freedom from politicians and bureaucracy to do their job.

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i'm a canadian and even i know Americans rights are going out the window. why dont you research HR 6166.


IAF101 . the patriot act is BS , Military Commissions Act is BS your government is BS so is ours.

I really suggest you read all the act and follow the the numbers. its a long maze but you will get through it.. or just look at educated people at universities all over america are saying about it...

and if you say its because of the terrorists don't reply

You're a Canadian and you know what ?? About how Americans have problems with our constitution ?? And you are the canadian crusader who is going to help us ???

Give me a break!

What those morons in those universities do is idiotic and most people in those universities think poorly about their universiites thanks to those liberal morons. If you think the rants and ravings of pubescent kids is the reflection of American people then you need to wake up!

Do you know how many terrorist cells and sleeper terrorists have been caught by the Patriot Act ? Just the other day they busted a moslem trying to buy 4 grenades! Dont worry about our rights! Born and brought up here. None of my rights have been even nudged forget about being taken away! I havent been denied anything that I was due.

I did read the act and I can justify each and every clause in it! It has helped save more lives than most of us can ever know. I think you need to wake up and realize that there are people who only want to kill westerns, especially Americans !

maybe if you would stop bombing their countries we would they wouldn't hate you so much.

the patriot act is also being used to arrest couples on planes that are making out.. what a crime.

the war in Iraq is all about $$$

you wont realize your rights are gone until its too late.

have you seen that poor student in his school library getting tasered. now that's freedom baby!

and the terrorist plots in Canada was proven to be fake, same with the one in England about building the bombs on the plain with liquids.


maybe you should watch terror storm or 911 mysteries.

anyways I'm sure your a good person and thanks for saving lives. but its time we start bombing countries with flowers and food instead of depleted uranium weapons.

keep serving and protecting. on and why are they building fema detention camps all over the place? maybe you can answer me that question.

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"Well, dont you worry about our Constitution and the rights of our people Melbourne Militia, the people who founded our nation had our bases covered."

They may have had their asses covered, but George Bush Junior has well and truly uncovered them. You should study the topic abit harder, especially the patriot act. And the freedom Bush is covertly trying to erdoe from US citizens.

" You should look closer to home, like the exploitation of the Aborigines by the Australian Govt, the raging racism and violence against immigrants across Australia and the harassment of refugees. "

Yeah, I agree we have our own problems too but if we cant try and help each other out, then who will? And before you criticize our so called "raging racism and violence against immigrants" you must be living in a walled community where everything is perfect and not have ventured far beyond your "prefect neighbourhood environment". Like racism and violence doesnt grip america too?

The common problem both our nations have also has a common cause - that being segregation of ethnic communities and not assimilation. This segregation buils paranoia amongst the ethnic groups against the majority, does not breed a cultural understanding of their new nation of residence, and sticking to the ways of their home country in a country of freedoms, will always have them being poersecuted for not adapting to our ways.

We would have to abide Saudi rules and culture if we were to live in Saudi Arabia so it is not too dificult to ask for immigrants to live by the rules of their newly adopted nation.

"America is looking after its citizens and its people, our rights are safe and they arent going anywhere."

Yeah, looking after its citizens - what is your murder rate? How much poverty does america have? Oh Yeah, I almost forgot how well Bush is looking after his own citizens....did some one say New Orleans or Katrina? Now you tell me ADF101, is that classified as racism of blacks or how you "look after your own citizens"?

"What we do in the world is our business, it only becomes yours if we decide to bomb Sydney or Perth or Melbourne."

Thats just plane old IGNORANT !

"Till then, you should be more concerned about your country and its people and less about the US and its people and their rights. "

I worry about the freedoms of all peoples wherever they may be - if they yearn for freedom then we should all help them, but if I say freedom being slowly eroded and people not realising it, then this forum is where we discuss the matter and hopefully make it more aware. Some wrong with that maybe?

"As for having US troops in Israel there is no need for that to happen. The IDF is more than capable of securing Israels borders and its interests. All they need is some freedom from politicians and bureaucracy to do their job. "

Yeah, I say how they "do their job", all the burnt bodies of so called Hezbollah women and children....regardless of race, religion of creed, innocents are alway that, innocent, and bombing hospitals and refuges is NOT how they should be "doing their job".

Did you not see the reports of Israeli Air-Force and Mortar attacks against a UN observation post, after many repeated calls to cease fire by the UN, aswell as the consul secretary calling Israels parliament personally from Geneva headquarters to cease fire against that particular position, Israeli Forces continued to bomb. I guess thats how you "do you job" eh?

The UN monitors were said to have witnessed incidences of illegal military activity in the vacinity and what better way to silence the UN monitors than to bomb them repeatedly.

"...freedom from politicians and bureaucracy to do their job. "

Igf they received that, then I'd hate to think of what they would do next.

Your comments and judgements are unfounded, unsubstantiated, and uneducated. Im sorry to bring this to your attention, but you should go and do a little more background research on what actually is occuring in the mid-east, and in your backyard of the US of A and not on emotions and feelings, if so then clearly state that.

It has been an interesting discussion none the less.

Originally posted by IAF101

What we do in the world is our business, it only becomes yours if we decide to bomb Sydney or Perth or Melbourne. Till then, you should be more concerned about your country and its people and less about the US and its people and their rights.

Sorry but what the US does in the world is the business of all Australians and the rest of the world.

Australian military personnel are fighting the bogus WOT; our PM and your President are very strange bed fellows and there are military installations on our Australian soil.

I say that is enough to make the USA's BUSINESS AUSTRALIA's BUSINESS. God knows it is thrust in our faces everyday...the USA likes to throw it's weight around all over the planet on the pretense of solving conflict, more like generating more wealth and establishing hegemony and American culture all over the place.

Keep it we do not need nor want it. Australia is a little USA under the Howard government and I resent that.



In Peace Always
resi










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Well said resistancia. I couldnt have said it better myself. How so many people are fooled by the media and their judgement clouded by their emotions rather than clear thinking.

Hope, is what keeps us all going, for the faint chance that we may all live better lives someday to the ones we are living now - not that our lives are bad now, but you know what I mean. We strive for something better and why not?

As an American.. my rights have not been taken away or reduced. I am not a fan of the current administration however, am tired of my country getting a bad rap by people from 2nd rate powers.

EVERY country in the world, goes out of their way to protect their national best interests. All countries have dirty laundry. The French, The British, The Russians, The Chinese, and probably even the Canadians.

The difference with America is that we are the big guy on the block. Everyone feels it is their right to criticize us when we are engaged on the world scene and complain when we are not. How many times have you heard politicians in some country crying that American is not solving some world problem (Africa, Middle East, Aids, Cancer) then also complain that they don’t agree with us when we do. Come on, no other country in the world has given and sacrificed so much of it’s resources and lives saving and attempting to help other people. I am not a fan of our President (did not vote for him) HOWEVER, if the rest of the world wants us to retreat to our shores.. be careful what you wish for. The last two times American was dis-engaged from the world scene WWI and WWII where less than a decade away.

America is not perfect, but at least we try.



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Originally posted by md1978

The difference with America is that we are the big guy on the block...

Everyone feels it is their right to criticize us when we are engaged on the world scene and complain when we are not. How many times have you heard politicians in some country crying that American is not solving some world problem (Africa, Middle East, Aids, Cancer) then also complain that they don’t agree with us when we do. Come on, no other country in the world has given and sacrificed so much of it’s resources and lives saving and attempting to help other people. America is not perfect, but at least we try

Is that like being the biggest bully in the schoolyard? Seriously, that does not mean that the USA has the right to browbeat other nations.

I think that the USA (government not the people) puts itself in the spotlight way more than necessary, it's like saying to the rest of the world 'we have all the answers, we have all the money, we will sort this out and we are in charge'...well I hate to be the one to break it to you...but the USA does NOT have all the answers and they are NOT in charge. Perhaps people in other countries may have more respect for the USA if it remained in the back seat occasionally and got it's domestic problems in order. If things were hunky dory on the domestic front well then maybe the USA would have some valuable input in world conflict

I am glad you admitted America is not perfect...no country is. And my country has suffered losses being an ally of yours, we have made sacrifices and lost good men too.

You mentioned that you are sick of your country getting a bad rap by people from 2nd rate powers...well I am sick of my 2nd rate power country being dictated to by the 'big guy on the block'.

Honestly, ask yourself this. How long will the USA be the 'big guy on the block'? In the end it is all about money and power. Money and power have a habit of dwindling eventually if used unwisely.

As the mother of a son serving in this farcical US show of brute force we know as the 'War on Terror" I feel it is my right to say what I think. I aplogise if you find my opinion offensive.


In Peace Always
res




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There is no active military base supported by our troops in Israel as the entire Israeli population is armed under our supervision, and assured adequate military training.

We do however have a few construction teams over there at the moment building military bases, one out side Tel Avi appears to even have some underground base characteristics, though once the bases are complete we move out for Israeli troops to populate.

Originally posted by resistancia


I think that the USA (government not the people) puts itself in the spotlight way more than necessary, it's like saying to the rest of the world 'we have all the answers, we have all the money, we will sort this out and we are in charge'...well I hate to be the one to break it to you...but the USA does NOT have all the answers and they are NOT in charge. Perhaps people in other countries may have more respect for the USA if it remained in the back seat occasionally and got it's domestic problems in order. If things were hunky dory on the domestic front well then maybe the USA would have some valuable input in world conflict

I am glad you admitted America is not perfect...no country is. And my country has suffered losses being an ally of yours, we have made sacrifices and lost good men too.

You mentioned that you are sick of your country getting a bad rap by people from 2nd rate powers...well I am sick of my 2nd rate power country being dictated to by the 'big guy on the block'.

Honestly, ask yourself this. How long will the USA be the 'big guy on the block'? In the end it is all about money and power. Money and power have a habit of dwindling eventually if used unwisely.

I agree with 90% of what you are saying...our gov't does not portray itself well on the world scene and needs to learn to sit back more and let other countries take the lead on more issues.

however, other countries need to step up and do it.. England is one of the few European countries that handles more then its share of world responsibilities. No American should ever criticize your country for not sacrificing when it counts.

America is asked to confront issues at all parts of the World. No other country currently has these responsibilities. American foreign policy is also based on perceived failures leading up to WWI and WWII. Both times, we disengaged from the world scene and ended up in very costly wars. Our foreign policy since then has been to engage in small fights/wars in an effort to stop the larger wars. Right now, the only real argument I’ve seen to date for us to remain in Iraq (which I personally did not support) is that if we leave now…Conditions and a power vacuum will be created that will encourage and force a larger war 10-15 years from now. What happens in Iraq if we leave.. 1. Civil War 2. Iran gains more power in the area. Neither can be allowed to occur for many different reasons.







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