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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
vid clip
a french KC-135 preforming a pretty reckless low pas
so i guess the boeing flying into the pentagon was possible
Originally posted by jinsanity
And the manueaver wasn't even necessary. They had the pentagon straight on before the big loop and quite possibly could have taken out Rumsfeld.
Originally posted by 2stepsfromtop
I think that the plane never hit the light poles, but the wake turbulence of the aircraft brought them down. after all, we're talking about a plane going really fast, that's a huge amount of turbulance.
Originally posted by Aim64C
And our plane did reportedly skidd on the ground for a little bit - so we can assume that, yes, the engine touched the ground, then lifted off the ground, and the plane banked after the skidd.
Originally posted by jinsanity
The problem is the pilot that supposedly flew the plane into the pentagon couldn't even get a cessna off the ground in flight school in florida.
Originally posted by Aim64C
If that were the case - then we'd see an organized attempt at proving 9/11 to be a U.S. borne conspiracy. All I see are a bunch of 12 year olds who are just learning the wonder of the internet and are unable to filter out the BS that corrosive individuals put out.
Originally posted by jra
KC 135 low pass
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I also noticed this clip of a 757 doing a low fly-by. Although it's not that low (probably because it's a commercial airline and they'd probably get fired if they flew too low)
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Another (wow he really pulls it up at the end)
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[edit on 13-12-2006 by jra]
Originally posted by FredT
In responce to a few of the thoughts in the thread.
The wake turbulence behind a 757 is really bad when in the air, However, not being a expert in the subject, im not sure how ground effect etc would moderate its wake turbulence what with it being so low to the ground.
Most planes can fly a nap of the earth flight profile if its flat enough. Its in hilly areas that you need alot of thrust to fly up and down keeping say 50 feet of the deck rather than skimming over ridgetops. Its not all that hilly in that area
While 500 kts of airspeed is alot and abuses the airframe when that low, I don't think these guys were too concerend about it.
Originally posted by Aim64C
DrLeary
The problem with debating on the names of the individuals involved is the sheer nature of intelligence gathering. Fake IDs are rather easy to generate with the right equipment - enough to get onboard an aircraft. You won't be able to join the military or clear a background check with them - but you could make a convincing fake ID with photoshop and some arts and crafts skills.
These people attracted the attention of the FBI somewhere along the line - and photos were taken of them or collected from security cameras (an infinite number of possibilities). This would be how they would appear on a 'terrorist watch' list. Things in their records just don't add up right - but their true names - the ones their families back in blah-blahstan knew them by, are not known - and probably never will be.
Do you have any clue whatsoever as to how terrorists work or how our homeland security system works?
Obviously not - or you'd have stopped yourself before making such an arguement.
And I'm talking about an organized group of people who would have been involved in this massive conspiracy. With as popular and well founded as this conspiracy theory is - and the number of people involved - you'd think more than a few people would step out and say "Yeah, I was told by my superior to lie about this." or "Yeah, I was involved in wiring the building with explosives." - or something.
But all I see is what we call here in the Navy a gangle-*SNIP* of radical claims and tangents - with about 10% of them based off of any logical discrepency or event.
We've gone from cruise missiles, drones, 'remote controled jet liners', demolition charges, and a recent claim of a thermonuclear bomb. Nothing organized - just wild grabbing at straws for a bunch of people so desperate to beleive their enemy is the beaurocracy rather than a bunch of extremists on the other side of the planet.
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[edit on 13/12/2006 by Mirthful Me]