Let's End The Controlled Demolition Theory!

I don't believe that nukes were used on the collapse of the wtc buildings,but I do believe there were some kind of explosive devices in the buildings.There were MANY eyewitness reports of explosions on different floors of both wtc buildings including the basements.The energy of whatever was used was so great it turned all that concrete to dust which was reported to be 2-3 inches deep from river to river,ejected steel beams into surrounding buildings ,caused a cloud of smoke and dust that was seen in space,and completely pulverized desks, computers ,telephones,and all that other office equiptment in the buildings.And last but not least brought down the two towers,(not to mention wtc 7)in a way that left them in thier own foundations.Now I'm no expert in controlled demolition but it doesn't take a genious to figure out that the fires that were burning for about ONE HOUR in each building weakened that steel ,and caused each tower to fall at near free-fall speed.All three wtc buildings fell in virtually the same way,straight down,at a very high rate of speed with absolutely NO RESISTANCE.I look down on no one who believes the official story of 9/11,believe what you want.I for one don't believe fire brought down those buildings.












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I see, so there were explosive devices used that were strong enough to destroy the steel columns of the WTC, but they were not powerful enough to be heard by more than a handful people that were really close to the building?.... interesting...

[edit on 28-11-2006 by Muaddib]

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[edit on 28/11/2006 by Mirthful Me]

Why is it that some people can't discuss things without calling others names?

Lets see the time frame of the planes crashing into the towers.

American Airlines Flight 11, a Boeing 767-223[5] wide-body aircraft, crashed into the north side of the North Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) at 8:46:30 a.m. local time (Eastern Daylight Time, 12:46:30 UTC).
United Airlines Flight 175, a Boeing 767-222,[6] crashed into the South Tower at 9:02:59 a.m. local time (13:02:59 UTC), an event covered live by television broadcasters and amateur filmers from around the world who had their cameras trained on the buildings after the earlier crash.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now, lets see the time one of the seismic stations recorded sharp P waves.



Humm, so where does that leave the claim that "the seismic readings showed explosions before the crashes?"




[edit on 28-11-2006 by Muaddib]

Below is 6 parts to WILLIAM RODRIGUEZ, Head Janitor & Hero of Twin Towers. He tells the facts, he was there and heard the first explosion before planes hit.

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Originally posted by DrLeary

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by ANOK
How about explaining this to me...



That's the South Tower. How did the top loose it's momentum and suddenly cause the lower undamaged structure to fall vertically onto itself ejecting outer core columns 600 ft while turning concrete, office furniture, people etc... into a fine dust that covered lower Manhattan?

I've asked you all this question many times. None of you have even tried to answer it.

What that tower did was physically impossible without help from some other force causing the columns in the lower undamaged part of the building to fail equally.

What should have happened is the top should have continued to topple off taking part of the lower structure on the pivot side with it. A chaotic, non-symmetrical collapse, just like every building in history that has been damaged or bombed (non-demo).

Sry for quoting myself but once again this very important question is being ignored.
Until you can satisfactorily answer this then all other points are not even worth discussing imo. Nobody gonna tackle this one?

Hehe, nobody want's to say it, but there is no other explanation than explosives of some sort. The top was pulverized in mid air and the lower floors just didn't offer any resistance. To me this is the smoking gun... And yeah, NOBODY has given any sort of reasonable explanation for this...

I'm sorry, but I can't give a counter-argument becuase you both are completely...RIGHT.

This is a logical, obvious proof of CD for anyone to conclude if they are intellectually honest with themselves (either that or let's hear some refutations). The laws of physics were not suspended three times on 9/11.

This issue brought up here has its center at "the core" of the argument.
Everybody on board the OCT, including NIST, ignores this "central truth"; i.e, what about the core? Whatever happened to resistance?

No mystery. Those towers were blown to kingdom come.
(This explains 4-ton steel girders being ejected more than 2-football fields in length.)

WTC7 was a classic bring-down CD. Classic.
I know I have never seen a better one.
Have you?

Ok, let me get this straight. I just heard whoever it was that was talking before Rodriguez say that "Rodriguez heard explosions before the tower "collapsed"...the building was already on fire and the plane had already crashed.... so what am i missing that people are now claiming "there were explosions before the plane crashes"?....

Can anyone understand the difference between "hearing explosions before the building collapsed" and "hearing explosions before the planes crashed"?


[edit on 28-11-2006 by Muaddib]

Anyone else notice that CameronFox is gone?



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PWNED!!!
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Come on folks, this is unacceptable.

Let's just stick to the topic and leave the personal commentary out if it.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Wolfpack 51

originally from Quicknthedead
Wolfpack,

These are facts from the US Government that have not been refuted.

They indicate explosions before the plane hit at WTC1.

This is evidence good enough for a court, including the court of public opinion.

Think about.

THEN READ THE REPORT.

Then think about somemore. The light bulb will go off, I can guarantee it.
Then you can decide which side of the fence you're on.

The truth or the lie.

Quicknthedead,

I know that the towers were not brought down by the planes, so dont go ballistic on me.

My point in my post was that there are those out there that will never even consider anything other than the offical story.

The facts, the science, the common sense and anything else you present to the "Offical Story Believers" will not change their minds to even accept that there is reason to suspect that the "Offical Story" is not 100% true.

Therefore this argument will go on forever. Unfortunately.

You are probably right, Wolfpack (about some/most of them never changing their minds).

Unfortunately.

I don't get. How can an average person be so oblivious to the truth that directly affects every American? How can they have such resolve to reject facts?

Sure, we know there is a lot of bunk to much of 9/11 "truth", but putting the chaff aside, there is still a plethora of crstalline truth that is quite obvious and can not be denied.

A ton of it.

Sorry, I didn't mean to appear to go off on you (I wasn't, BTW). It's just that these purveyors of the OCT (those who inhabit these forums and similar ones) should know after a while the real facts of 9/11, that is, if they are honest with themselves.

And if they are not honest with themselves, they are also dishonest with everyone else, including those who seek the truth of 9/11.

These act in foolishness, and in your assessment you are right. They will probably never come to the truth and until they wake up (if ever), they are a waste of time.

I just don't like to see them poisoning the forums with their obfuscations and half-lies in general disregard for the truth of 9/11 and those who died.

We need a new investigation.

Let's see them argue against that.

Thanks for your words, Wolfpack.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Any significant explosions before the impact of the plane not only would have left a seismic signature, but the explosions would have been heard many blocks away by thousands of people, but then you get those people who claim the devices used did not make much sound, but then the account of those few people who want to claim they heard explosives go off is false.

See, there are so many theories that have been made up surrounding this event, that many of them contradict each other.

[edit on 27-11-2006 by Muaddib]

The explosions before the plane hit WTC1 did leave a seismic signature.
It registered a .9 Richter.

It happened at 8:46:29 plus or minus 1 second.
Many witnesses, William Rodriguez is the most prominent, experienced these explosions before the plane hit.

The plane crashed at 8:46:40 per FAA radar data.

These times have been "blessed" by the government: NIST and the 9/11 Commission.

“Seismic Proof – 9/11 Was An Inside Job (Updated Version II)”
Link: www.studyof911.com...
By Craig T. Furlong & Gordon Ross, Scholars for 9/11 Truth: www.st911.org...


I've only posted this a zillion times, and people still don't put two and two together.
Hmmmm....

I know I addressed this Mauddib guy and he didn't get back to me but instead comes up with this post I've quoted here.

Now what do you think about Mr. Mauddib? Is he really after the truth?

I don't think so.

Oh well, I'll just keep posting the link to the paper until I'm blue in the face...

Because, Lord willing, these times aren't going away anytime soon, nor is the paper, nor am I.

I wrote the darn thing so I think I'll stick around.
CTF

OK, I respect your view, but I'm going to be real honest with you all know. Forget what you've been told and look at this:

video.google.com...
building 7 was brought down by controlled demolition and this was done in a perfect text-book style, if you don't understand that, than you do'nt want to know the truth. I men look at it collapsing and that just because of a small fire?

video.google.com...
an expert op this stuff explaining why and how

video.google.com...
here ou see the explosices fo off

Why do you think the 9/11 comission doesn't eventouch building 7? Because the know that if people understand that it was brought down by pre-planted explosives that this would proof that the whole 9/11 events were a govermet conspiracy.

This is also some good video-evidence:
video.google.com...

And last but not least, A VERY INTERESTING AND OBJECTIVE DOCUMENTARY FROM HOLLAND WITH ENGLISH SUBTITLES. IT REALLY IS REVEALING. IN THE END, HOLLAND'S BEST AND MOST KNOWN DEMOLITION EXPERT (who believes the official story) WAS ASKED WHAT HE SAW WHEN THE REPORTERS SHOW THEM BUILDING 7 COLLAPSE ON TAPE ... THE ENGINEER DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT HE IS LOOKING AT UNTILL AFTER HE'S ANSWERED THE QUESTION WETHER THIS WAS A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION OR NOT. HE SAID IT WAS DEFINATELY TEXT-BOOK CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, CONDUCTED BY PROFESSIONALS! A BUILDING CAN'T POSSIBLY COLLAPSE BY ITSELF JUST LIKE THAT! WHEN THE RESPECTED ENGENINEER WAS TOLD THAT THE BUILDING WAS BUILDING 7 AT THE WOLRD TRADE CENTER COMPLEX HE WAS TOTALLY SHOCKED AND KEPT ASKING IF IT WAS BROUGHT DOWN THE SAME DAY, BECAUSE PLANTING THE EXPLOSIVES TAKES MORDE THAN A DAY! WHEN THE REPORTERS SAY THAT IT COLLAPSED JUST A SHILE AFTER BUILDING 1 AND 2 HE WAS EVEN MORE SHOCKED!
TODAY HE IS A 9/11-TRUTHER! THIS MAN IS AN EXPERT AND HAS BEEN DEMOLISHING BUILDINGS FOR MORE THAN 28 YEARS! HE IS A WELL RESPECTED ENGINEER! HE SAIS "THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THE BUILDING 7 WAS BROUGHT DOWN BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION' !!!
SEE FOR YOURSELF!!!
video.google.com...

Originally posted by Muaddib
I see, so there were explosive devices used that were strong enough to destroy the steel columns of the WTC, but they were not powerful enough to be heard by more than a handful people that were really close to the building?.... interesting...

[edit on 28-11-2006 by Muaddib]

firemen,police,and reporters all said they heard and felt explosions AFTER the planes hit and BEFORE the towers fell.

[edit on 29-11-2006 by crowpruitt]

Originally posted by crowpruitt

Originally posted by Muaddib
I see, so there were explosive devices used that were strong enough to destroy the steel columns of the WTC, but they were not powerful enough to be heard by more than a handful people that were really close to the building?.... interesting...

[edit on 28-11-2006 by Muaddib]

firemen,police,and reporters all said they heard and felt explosions AFTER the planes hit and BEFORE the towers fell.

[edit on 29-11-2006 by crowpruitt]

I'll second that.

Originally posted by TheRanchMan
Anyone else notice that CameronFox is gone?



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I'll be back this afternoon!

Topic, please.

I have been too busy to post, but I have tried to keep up with reading the posts. So busy, i am printing out the information I gather so I can read it on my commute to and from work. ( about 3 hours a day ) Fear not, I am hoping to find some time this afternoon to share some information that may or may not have been posted.

Have a great Day

Whatever you are reading up on, I can pretty much bet it won't explain how WTC7 collapsed down onto it's own footprint at free fall speeds in a PERFECTLY VERTICAL manner and this without having been hit by an airplane and with no significant fires in it. But let's face it, any discussion of fire collapse is simply irrelevant since fire has never burned up steel in ambient uncontrolled burns.

You reading wont explain how molten steel was found in the basements of all 3 building wrecks.
Your reading won't explain how box cutter terrorists (9 of which are still alive BTW) were able to tear down WTC7.

Originally posted by Muaddib
I see, so there were explosive devices used that were strong enough to destroy the steel columns of the WTC, but they were not powerful enough to be heard by more than a handful people that were really close to the building?.... interesting...

Actually, those detonations were heard from way across the river. In fact they were heard even BEFORE the tower started to collapse.
I suggest you watch this documentary below, the Google Video link will take you to the part 2 of 3.
video.google.com...
The documentary is called 9/11 Eyewitness and it explains in great details how the rumble sounds were heard not only during the tower's implosion but BEFORE the onset of the collapse as well. That part 2 of 3 will show you somewhere in there how the noises were heard and how loud and pretty detailed too.
You can watch the whole documentary here:
video.google.com...

Strangely enough, some extremely loud demolition sounds were heard just before the WTC7 collapse as well. See the following YouTube link for details:
www.youtube.com...

Then when it's all said and done, ask yourself why bomb sniffing dogs were removed from WTC complex just days before 9/11