Where did the Dulce Story come from?

This is a message for John Lear

John you seem to have a lot of knowledge on Dulce and other great subjects and I know you had a lot to do with the Dilce papars and the matrix document. my question to you is have you ever published a book that contains all the knowledge you have gained about UFOs/ aliens, secret bases etc...

if not is there any chance of maybe a timeline post on ATS mapping out all that you have experienced and all the people you have come into contact with regarding these subjects and when?

Originally posted by g60kg

John you seem to have a lot of knowledge on Dulce and other great subjects and I know you had a lot to do with the Dilce papars and the matrix document. my question to you is have you ever published a book that contains all the knowledge you have gained about UFOs/ aliens, secret bases etc...

g60kg, no, I have never published a book with all of that.

if not is there any chance of maybe a timeline post on ATS mapping out all that you have experienced and all the people you have come into contact with regarding these subjects and when?

That would be a large undertaking and I just don't have the time. I have considered a website but the catch is I would have to put into digital format all of the stuff I have collected over the years and that would require a lot of work. Most of the time I have now is taken up trying to get my mine (in the eastern Nevada high desert) operating on a profitable basis.

The only way any of this could happen is for somebody to show up at my door with extensive computer and typing talent and unlimited time to donate and digitize and scan everything I have to put on a website. I am not all that interested in doing it myself because all of the above mentioned material, although interesting and informative to many, is not so for me.

Originally posted by johnlear
The only way any of this could happen is for somebody to show up at my door with extensive computer and typing talent and unlimited time to donate and digitize and scan everything I have to put on a website. I am not all that interested in doing it myself because all of the above mentioned material, although interesting and informative to many, is not so for me.

Are there any takers out there???? If I was anywhere near Nevada I would happily do this for you John. But why dont you find this subject interesting? is it because you have lost interest over time or what?

Originally posted by Implosion

Philip Schneider (April 23, 1947 - January 1996) claimed to be an ex-government geologist and structural engineer who was involved in building underground military bases around the United States (possessing a level 3 security clearance, "Rhyolite 38"), and to be one of only three people to have survived a deadly battle in which 66 American and NATO "Delta Force" soldiers were killed. This battle allegedly occurred in 1979 between Grey aliens and U.S. military and NATO forces at an underground base at Dulce, NM [(c.f.: "The Dulce Wars: Underground Alien Bases & the Battle for Planet Earth" By Branton, "Underground Alien Bases" by Commander X and "Reality of the Serpent Race & The Subterranean Origin of the UFOs" by both)].

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Philip Schneider's life was certainly as controversial as his death. He was born on April 23, 1947 at Bethesda Navy Hospital. Philip's parents were Oscar and Sally Schneider. Oscar Schneider was a Captain in the United States Navy, worked in nuclear medicine and helped design the first nuclear submarines. Captain Schneider was also part of OPERATION CROSSROADS, which was responsible for the testing of nuclear weapons in the Pacific AT Bikini Island. In a lecture videotaped in May 1996, Philip Schneider claimed that his father, Captain Oscar Schneider, was also involved with the infamous "Philadelphia Experiment." In addition, Philip claimed to be an ex-government structural engineer who was involved in building underground military bases (DUMB) around the country, and to be one of only three people to survive the 1979 incident between the alien Grays and U.S. military forces at the Dulce underground base. Philip Schneider's ex-wife, Cynthia Drayer believes that Philip was murdered because he publicly revealed the truth about the U.S. government's involvement with UFOs.

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Phil Schneider, one of three people to survive the 1979 fire fight between the large Greys , US intelligence and military at the Dulce underground base was found dead January 1996, due to what appears to be an execution style murder. He was found dead in his apartment with a piano wire wrapped around his neck. According to sources, it appeared that he repeatedly suffered torture before he was finally killed. Seven months prior to his death , Schneider did a lecture on the forces he had discovered at Dulce.

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Phil Schneider Lecture - Nov 1995 (Aliens don't exist here)

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Above is information regarding Phil Schneider, a proponent of the Dulce story. The same Phil Schneider can be seen lying his ass off on here. Pay attention when he points to the lined up F-117s and calls them alien tech, how they ooze some kind of molten matter onto the runway after landing. It was taken from this thread. I never cease to be amazed how even after people like Mr P. Schneider are caught lying about the small details, the people swallow the whoppers hook, line and sinker.

Implosion, John, and others. Its good to hear all sides, with the exchange of information on the internet, Im sure its getting harder for Uncle Sam to misinform ,disinform and think everyone is going to beleive it.

One thing that gives weight to what I form opinions on these subjects is when someone revealing information gets killed. If he is a liar and storyteller, why would the government care. If hes causing harm to security, then Uncle Sam says hes got to go.

Keep the info going

Dango

This guy's lies are so bad they're an insault to those us of who know better. Here are some examples:

"I worked in government black projects, known to most people as the Skunk Works" -BS The Skunk Work is a Devision of Lockheed Martin, not another name for black projects.

"My father was a U-baot captin who went on to build the USS Natulas and run the Philidelphia Experment" -unliklely

"Undergound cities for government officialls all over the US" -Undegound shelters yes, but I don't know of any that are whole cities for 20'000+ people.

"Bakini Attoll is an underground Island base for ET's"- He wishes! Bakini Attoll was a nuclear test site. B.T.W. How the hell do you get an "Underground Island"?

"First UFO sighted in 1909 by Army calvery"- Not even close enough to be amusing. The first written record of a "UFO" in the "New World" was a sighting by Columbus in 1492, they repoted green lights hovering in the Sargasso Sea (Bermuda Triangle). He missed by 426 years!

Five lies in three minutes- give me a break! This guy is less credible than Lazar. Sorry, but I've had my fill of Phil Schnider's tall tales. I'm too busy to sit through this BS!


Tim

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Originally posted by Ghost01
Phil Schneider is Full of #! His facts aren't even close!

This guy's lies are so bad they're an insault to those us of who know better.
[edit on 30-11-2006 by Ghost01]

Im curious to know what you make of his untimely death also did anyone know phil and disagree with Ghost's opinion??

To Ghost01:

[sarcasm] Well its good to have an expert on everything here to tell us the real deal about Phil Schneider and his life ! Since you know it all then why are we even here ...did YOU live his life ?? No you did not ! [/sarcasm]....... Phil was not full of @#$%......your post was mean and served no purpose other than to insult someone who cannot even defend himself. Can you prove YOUR claims ?? my guess is no........if you don't believe Phil's story that is your choice but do not insult or demean him in such a nasty way...try being more civil.....I am sure he would have treated you in a polite manner........this post was about Dulce and not a "rip Phil Schneider apart" thread.

You debunk him with no evidence which is the wrong way to act here. Phil died trying to bring out the truth......would you do the same ?? Doubtful.








[edit on 30-11-2006 by Alpha Grey]

Originally posted by Alpha Grey
Phil was not full of @#$%......your post was mean and served no purpose other than to insult someone who cannot even defend himself.

A selection of Mr Schneider's lies are either covered, or linked to in this very thread. Watch the video, read his claims.

You can lead a horse to water...

I've carefully read all posts here and come to conclusion that this is quite "Slapping faces of one another" like stuff...
So since I put a thread there which subjected "General Awareness, Point Dulce !!!"
I'll delete it and put it here since I think it is more apropriate and now would be the right moment in discussion to read it.
Since post has all 4000 character signs used I'll put it bellow this post. Hope mods. would have nothing against?
And once more I think that it would be an axiom and a rule in serious researchers about this sea of informations where is expected from us to distinct real from false...

I've taken it from "TheVault" database.
Like to greet, by my oppinion (like others I know eye to eye), Mr. John Lear and his nonselfish work which is not needed, but he's still doing it? What for? Would it be interesting for him to shot up? And do we and all others up the posts know any more or nearly enough? He has nothing to have and gain by doing this, and have whole lot to loose...
What for once more, ask yourself's that question and think before posting that, one minded answers...
My belief like a lot people I know since I too am studying this field of conspiracy research 14 years allready is that, INDEED there are separation of MJ group and governments in their trust from saurian aliens that use underground bases.
It started as a friendly foe (hand to hand) with young innocent enemies (US Gov.) to END like war waging now allready 30 years... And we INDEED are loosing the battle (hopefully not war). It's like new Americans Europe collonists gave hand of peace to domestic Indians only to be slaughtered 100 years after...
Do not let history repeat itself ONCE MORE, this time on GRAND scale...

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[edit on 1-12-2006 by SimonGray]

OK SimonGray,

Text above mentioned is in link bellow...
www.geocities.com...

Dear Mr. Lear, I both respect, and believe 'your experiences', as well as I agree with your opinion of Mr.Phil Schneider(He deserves Alot More Credit Than I have Seen & Read 'postings give him'. I am a very empathic, intuitive person, always have been able to "catch a person *in a Lie".
I feel Strongly that, where there is any story,or, situation, where there is "Non-belief"; or a Complex Story/Event; The Honest To God Truth Lies Not on 1 end or The Other, but "In Between".Never see anything Black or White, the Real Truth Lies somewhere *in the grey area Between.
I hold you in great respect & hope to hear rom you. I have been an "ameteur Ufologist since I had an "Experience as both a Child(4-5), and at age 17. I'm 45 now, I have illness, I very much am a Truthseeking person, and I like to think I am 'fairly well-Rad, as well as versed on the UFO/Extraterrestial 'history,and its present.
by the way, have you got any opinions on "whether S.E.t.I; Truly has been recieving *transmissions out of our realm of what we know is of
Earth"?
May the New Year Be Blessed for You & Yours, Mischelle Morrison
P.S.e-Mail;().Please Feel Free to Email, I
am not very good on this,"My New Computer",yet!(My 87 year olf Father got it for me for Christmas), I need to learn to use it to its capacity..

Admin edit: I removed your e-mail address for personal privacy reasons as it can be abused.

[edit on 31-12-2006 by SimonGray]

I also believe the Dulce facility exists! According to Phil Schneider, who was killed a few months after disclosing this information, there are over 100 secret installations under the USA. Most are in the western states. Although this story is very far fetched I really don't see why people have such a hard time believing it. True some details maybe incorrect or exaggerated but that does not mean its automatically BS!

According to this person, who was involved in building these facilities, new revolutionary type drilling methods were used which greatly reduced the time needed to excavate the tunnels and bases. The drill actually melted the rock bed to a glassy surface so magneto levitron shuttles could travel at speeds up to mach 2! This also greatly reduces the stock piles of dirt and what little is left can easily be delt with.

The story also mentions that these underground installations are all inter-connected via underground shuttle so it would be very easy for dulce employees to drive to area 51 or Los Alamos National Laboratories board a shuttle and away they go. No suspisions...nothing! Whats so hard to believe about this? All these bases are covert or "top secret" so their is no sense on one base employee spying on another base employee. They have all sworen "oumerta" so to speak! Do you people get my point?! I hope so.

I have noticed many people are looking for entrances in or around Dulce. Forget, I seriously doubt there are any that close(although not totaly out of the question). Even if there are any they would only serve as emergency exits in case of severe fires, riots, experiments gone bad, shuttle problems, etc...! Think about this: Why would the government take the trouble to build an ultra top secret installation if there were going to be any clues above ground. Simple non-sense!!!!!!!!!! Some people on this board really lack common sense and imagination. Thats all I can say!

I think it would be safe to assume that the people that work at Dulce probably don't commute on a regular basis. They probably work their for at least weeks if not months at a time to further eliminate suspicions. They also probably got huge stockpiles of food, lab equipment, weapons and anything else needed so that they don't have to depend on regular shipments.

In conclusion, I think the US government has gone to great lengths and done an excellent job in covering its tracks if such a base exists, and it probably does!

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Also, so many posts against the idea of Dulce but nobody has clearly said why?

For Dulce to be a theory, there need to be verifiyable facts that go with it. Let's use Area 51, another secret factility as an example to illustrate my point:

For a long time, it's existance was denied, but there were verifiable facts to support the claims of a secret base:

Signs: If you go into the desert to the west of Rachial NV. You can find clearly marked signs that say Warning: Restricted Area and Photography Prohibited on them. This is Legally Required, as they can't enforce a restricted area unless it's marked as such! Groom Lake is surrounded by many of these signs.

Flight Charts: You can Find R-4808N on any US flight chart of Nevada. The chart will also show that Groom Lake (the lake bed) is inside R-4808N.

Fights to the Area: We can Prove there are aircraft flying in and out of Groom Lake shuttling people to and from the facility. They are called JANET Flights and they land at McCarren Airport.

Security Around Groom Lake: The helicopter patrols and guys in jeeps patroling the perimeter of the area are well documented. The presence of security keeps people away from the facility.

I've never seen any of the above thing connected with the Dulce Story. Area 51 has evidence to support it! What does Dulce have beside a story?

If we are supposed to take any of this at face value, give us something better than roumors, and second, third (and sometimes even forth) hand roumors to chase! If there is no evidence beside these roumors, who's to say Dulce isn't one over-cooked disinformation scam?

If you want the conspiacy community to take Dulce seriously, give us something better then a 1/2 bakes story with no supporting evidence. Truth is built on facts.

If Dulce is real, where are the proveable Facts to go with the story?

We work to Deny Ignorance, if you want people to believe something, you need more than roumors to draw serious researchers!

Tim

Or you could think area 51 is just to blind people to an even harsher truth, to avert their attention.
Put something right in front of their faces and then deny its existence.
I'm not saying nohing's fishy in area 51, but it sure keeps Dulce out of the spotlight.

Originally posted by Jaychael
I'm not saying nohing's fishy in area 51, but it sure keeps Dulce out of the spotlight.

It comes back to proof! If you accept thing without proof, anything could in theory be true!

What next? A Top Secret aircaft being fight tested from JFK International in broad daylight? I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you. In my mind, there has to be a point where you draw the line and accept that there is disinformation out there.

Could Dulce be the disinformation?

What if it was an effort to draw people away from Groom Lake, simular to the new Area 51 in Utah?

Tim

What if SkepticGreek74 is right....then there is no acual proof to dulce.
Employees will just goto area51 and take the underground to dulce, it could be very well that there isn't an outside entrance to the dulce facility.
I think there arent even emergency doors.
If indeed problems occur inside the facility...like a fire or a riot or fast spreading decease, then the last thing they want is to get that outside.
And think about it...if the stories where in fact true...then its almost impossible to get information/proof about the facility, let alone carry information out of the facility.

What i think is that this is something we would never find out. We can only speculate about it. Its like Rosswell..even if we found out about it...nobody would believe us and the government would just deny every fact.

Tim

Since thist thread deals with Dulce and the underground base there I wan't to post something I got in e-mail from Branton (we're in the same newsgroup). As you all know his real name is Bruce Alan De Walton and recently he sent a info for some added material about Dulce. In this material was a section with allegedly real pics from Dulce DUMB. The photos are published by Commander X which I'm assuming everybody have heard about. Now I don't advocate the veracity of this pics and neither dissmis those. I'm postin this photos here and we'll see what comes from photo analysts and debunkers. I have my doubts about #1, #3 and #7. Take a look guys

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