The New American Gestopo

I did a cursury search and didn't see anything matching this exactly, so I thought I'd get a discussion going...


Go to here to see a revision in the last Patriot Act.

Sec. 605 reads:

"There is hereby created and established a permanent police force, to be known as the 'United States Secret Service Uniformed Division.'"

This new federal police force is "subject to the supervision of the Secretary of Homeland Security."

The new police are empowered to "make arrests without warrant for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such felony."

They need no warrant to arrest you, nor do they need any evidence against you.

When Bush the Decider claims unconstitutional powers and uses "signing statements" to negate U.S. law whenever he feels the rule of law is in the way of his leadership, he is remarkably similar to Hitler, the Führer, who told the Reichstag on Feb. 20, 1938: "A man who feels it his duty at such an hour to assume the leadership of his people is not responsible to the laws of parliamentary usage or to a particular democratic conception, but solely to the mission placed upon him. And anyone who interferes with this mission is an enemy of the people."

You have voted BlaznRob for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have used all of your votes for this month.

You deserve my last WATS for this one. Good work my friend. I was feeling pretty good until I read this one. What the hell are they preparing us for!

Originally posted by BlaznRob And anyone who interferes with this mission is an enemy of the people."

This is serious guys.
I cant count how many times I have heard effectively the same words from Bushco over the last few months. Well spotted Blaze

Originally posted by BlaznRob
The new police are empowered to "make arrests without warrant for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such felony."

They need no warrant to arrest you, nor do they need any evidence against you.

That is the same as regular police. If police become aware of a crime being committed in their presence, they can arrest the perpetrator or suspected perpetrator without having to obtain a written warrant first. The same applies for this new segment of the Secret Service. And they cannot make arrests for crimes they did not witness without reasonable grounds, which includes requiring evidence or witnesses where appropriate.

SEC. 605. THE UNIFORMED DIVISION, UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE.
(b)(1) Under the direction of the Director of the Secret Service, members of the United States Secret Service Uniformed Division are authorized to--

`(A) carry firearms;

`(B) make arrests without warrant for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such felony; and

`(C) perform such other functions and duties as are authorized by law.

Also if you read all it, it states that their authority is restricted to duties connected to protection of the POTUS, VP, and other local or foreign government officials or dignitaries.

It's basically just giving normal police powers of arrest to the Secret Service.





[edit on 2006-11-3 by wecomeinpeace]

This is hardly the Gestapo and it has been discussed here before.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The United States Secret Service Uniformed Division is similar to the Capitol Police and is in charge of protecting the physical White House grounds and foreign diplomatic missions in the Washington, D.C. area. The Uniformed Division was originally a separate organization known as the White House Police Force, but was incorporated into the US Secret Service in 1971 as the Executive Protective Service and was renamed the Secret Service Uniformed Division in 1977.

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 2006/11/3 by GradyPhilpott]

Yes but you also must take into consideration what you can now be arrested for in the US, with the introduction of the numerous other bills you can be arrested without charge for almost any 'crime' you can think of.

What crimes would those be?

What does that have to do with United States Secret Service Uniformed Division?

What powers do they have that any other law enforcement agency has?

[edit on 2006/11/3 by GradyPhilpott]

Actually the last bill passed in congress, kind of made the possibilities of arrest more broader.

Remember that the second Patriot act was not passed in congress as a whole but littler by littler pieces and bits of it has been added to other bills.

I imagine that when all the pieces fall together like a puzzle we are going to find ourself in pickle.

Here is a quick thumbnail sketch of just some of the draconian measures encapsulated within this tyrannical legislation:


SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration’s “enemy combatant” definition to all American citizens who “may” have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is “any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.”) Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isn’t broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.


Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The Justice Department states that they can do this because the person “had inferred from conduct” that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or State law can result in the “enemy combatant” terrorist designation.
www.infowars.com...

I think this sketch give a good overlook of this mad patroit act.
It is a bit chilling that nearly anybody can turn into an "enemy combatant" in seconds.
Just like 60 years ago people first dont see the people dissapearing but after a while it became clear.
Are we awaiting the same faith?

I hate to impugn sources willy nilly, but www.infowars.com is about as trustworthy as World Weekly News.

People throw a fit about Fox News, which is as credible a news source as there is, and then turn around and quote www.infowars.com as if it were gospel.

I can agree with this site's stance on some things and, in fact, possibly on most, but starting from reality and quickly branching out into fantasy has been the tactic of fanatics for centuries.

Instead of quoting one man's opinion and commentary, why not link to an original source and let us see what it says and then you can comment or post comments as you see fit.

[edit on 2006/11/3 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I hate to impugn sources willy nilly, but www.infowars.com is about as trustworthy as World Weekly News.

People throw a fit about Fox News, which is as credible a news source as there is, and then turn around and quote www.infowars.com as if it were gospel.

I can agree with this site's stance on some things and, in fact, possibly on most, but starting from reality and quickly branching out into fantasy has been the tactic of fanatics for centuries.

Instead of quoting one man's opinion and commentary, why not link to an original source and let us see what it says and then you can comment or post comments as you see fit.

[edit on 2006/11/3 by GradyPhilpott]

You find FOX credible?

FOX is pure propaganda. But I guess they say what you want to hear, huh?

All the info available should be looked at critically, and the more money is behind it, the more critical we should be.

Originally posted by resistor

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I hate to impugn sources willy nilly, but www.infowars.com is about as trustworthy as World Weekly News.

People throw a fit about Fox News, which is as credible a news source as there is, and then turn around and quote www.infowars.com as if it were gospel.

I can agree with this site's stance on some things and, in fact, possibly on most, but starting from reality and quickly branching out into fantasy has been the tactic of fanatics for centuries.

Instead of quoting one man's opinion and commentary, why not link to an original source and let us see what it says and then you can comment or post comments as you see fit.

[edit on 2006/11/3 by GradyPhilpott]

You find FOX credible?

FOX is pure propaganda. But I guess they say what you want to hear, huh?

All the info available should be looked at critically, and the more money is behind it, the more critical we should be.

I dont think that fox news is very credable.

The news gives out lies... it lies about iraq... it's pure propeganda and it's been that way for the last five years.

Sure, the news source may give out misinfo, but they lie to the media all the time. The infowars site is more credable, but the state of america isnt going to change into a police state like (1)everyone else says it will be soon. That's what I think.