Two versions of Dubya’s Yale grades

"Grades publicly released for George W. Bush at Yale (1964-1968) apparently differ from grade records for Bush stored in his residential hall on campus. The published grades are better than the grades stored in earlier records."

Source > www.margieburns.com...

I wish my daddy had this kind of pull! Maybe then one day I could be Prez to.

Too bad the students didn't scan and keep these records. As it's now unprovable, it will just be shrugged off by everyone.

i don't support bush, but:

who said that one must have gotten great grades in yale university in order to be a good president???

Originally posted by they see ALL
i don't support bush, but:

who said that one must have gotten great grades in yale university in order to be a good president???

I don't think that is what the topic is about. The topic is that suppossedly the released grades of Dubya were doctored. That is illegal.

More of just a joke. I know getting good grades in Yale won't make you a prez. Everyone knows you also have to be an ex Cocaine user and DWI offender.

Originally posted by Griff
Too bad the students didn't scan and keep these records. As it's now unprovable, it will just be shrugged off by everyone.

I really can't believe that they never scanned them. If I had that kind of info I would of atleast scanned it just to keep for myself. But you are correct, this will just be swept under the carpet.

Originally posted by NJStomp
More of just a joke. I know getting good grades in Yale won't make you a prez. Everyone knows you also have to be an ex Cocaine user and DWI offender.

you love jokes, huh???

a person's past experiences (or, in this case, faults) and a person's beliefs will not affect the person's law and policy making power and etc, as president...

of course there are minor exceptions to this...

again, i am not supporting bush...

i just think that whatever he did in the past is a non-issue...

do you know what other US presidents did before they became presidents???

Grades in college are important, but they are not the only measure of ability or intelligence. Many very intelligent people flunk out of college and very many very average people excel. Anyone who has ever been to school should know that.

Also, the criteria for admission into graduate school are generally quite rigorous in any school, especially Harvard, so I think it is safe to say that both Kerry and Bush had grades sufficient to get them admitted to graduate studies.

The flap over grades is pretty meaningless, except for the fact that Kerry, who likes to deride Bush's intelligence, apparently had grades on a par with Bush.


[edit on 2006/11/3 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by Griff
I don't think that is what the topic is about. The topic is that suppossedly the released grades of Dubya were doctored. That is illegal.

after i posted my first post in this thread, i noticed that this was the "political conspiracies" forum

"my bad"

my points are still valid though...

it doesn't matter if he got less-than-average grades in yale (so it doesn't matter that he changed them, per se)...

grades don't equal the capacity to be a good president...

if some would like to see bush fined / arrested for a minor thing (compared to other things) like changing grades, then have you forgotten about all the major things (or crimes) that he did???

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Grades in college are important, but they are not the only measure of ability or intelligence. Many very intelligent people flunk out of college and very many very average people excell. Anyone who has ever been to school should know that.

my point exactly...

you said it way better though

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Also, the criteria for admission into graduate school are generally quite rigorous in any school, especially Harvard, so I think it is safe to say that both Kerry and Bush had grades sufficient to get them admitted to graduate studies.

Or if your daddy is a very influential man. Not saying that is the case, but it seems that way.

Originally posted by they see ALL
if some would like to see bush fined / arrested for a minor thing (compared to other things) like changing grades, then have you forgotten about all the major things (or crimes) that he did???

Playing devil's advocate here but, you do know what got Al Capone landed in jail right? It wasn't anything to do with the mob. It was tax evasion. If you can't pin a crime to someone, the best thing to do is find their guilt in another crime. At least then they will spend some time in jail rather than walk off. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by Griff
Or if your daddy is a very influential man. Not saying that is the case, but it seems that way.

If his daddy had that much influence over GW's college career, he would have had straight A's and we wouldn't even be discussing this matter.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
If his daddy had that much influence over GW's college career, he would have had straight A's and we wouldn't even be discussing this matter.

Really? Wouldn't that look a little suspicious since the man can't even string together a complete sentence?

Edit: Maybe I shouldn't talk about others intellegence until I can learn to spell.

[edit on 11/3/2006 by Griff]

The issue is not that he got horrible grades at Yale, its that he lied to the American people about it!!!

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by Griff
Or if your daddy is a very influential man. Not saying that is the case, but it seems that way.

If his daddy had that much influence over GW's college career, he would have had straight A's and we wouldn't even be discussing this matter.

That’s why I brought this issue up. The article is talking about how the grades he received were better then the ones found. Of course, no evidence was found that because of who his father is had anything to do with this.

Originally posted by sp00n1
The issue is not that he got horrible grades at Yale, its that he lied to the American people about it!!!

I don't remember that. Do you have a link?

This is silly, there is a claim by some college students to have seen some 'secret' copy of bushes grades, and that they were worse than the rather poor grades on the actual record.

I find it hard to beleive that they saw these things, and, as the article notes, aren't fans of bush, and then didn't photocopy them, or even take a digital photo of them. The article doesn't even say who the students are, the whole thing could be a fabrication by the site author or the anonymous students.

I'm not saying it's true or not true and am by no means trying to defend Bush if it is true, but in all honesty anybody can create a blog and write whatever they want. Can you find a more credible link? It would be ignorant on my part to blindly believe everything that's blogged on the internet. I could create a blog about Bush being a reptilian that eats little children.....er, uh....wait I think that's already been done. Must be true then!

It Must Be True, It's On The Internet!

Originally posted by Nygdan
I find it hard to beleive that they saw these things, and, as the article notes, aren't fans of bush, and then didn't photocopy them, or even take a digital photo of them. The article doesn't even say who the students are, the whole thing could be a fabrication by the site author or the anonymous students.

I just read the source article and I have to agree it's about as credible as a rumor passed around at a Grateful Dead concert.

People are free to believe whatever they want, but I recommend looking for a more credible source than a whispering campaign that refers to its own sources as "student hearsay".

Even Margie Burns, the author of the article, doesn't seem to believe it.

At least, according to an "informed source".