Ozone and the World trade centers

In reading about the content that the metal beams were like swiss cheese and many have taken the stance that sulfur was present on the beams. Even jones is carrying a news items that the government is changing its opinion that maybe acid rain was a factor in the buildings failing.

But there should be another question and that is Ozone! Ozone is a tri-atomic molecule of oxygen and is corrosive itself, but combine it with the presence of H2O
and you form nitric acid. Nitric acid is very corrosive to steel and many other materials. Ozone also has the ability to form mercury paste by combining with industrial pollutants such as in industrial cities like NY. Mercury paste can corrode
aluminum very quickly and totaly.

The WTC's building were over thirty years old and thus were subject to 30 years of ozone contamination that many knew was destroying the buildings. What other forms of chemical exposure did the buildings experience during renavations, off gassing from equipment and workers clothes or from the workers bodies themselves. I will not go into chances of explosives, thermite, or fire damage others here have spoken on those events. But man always thends to seek the most complex answer to simple questions, whereas seeking simple solutions to complex questions normally gives solid answers.

Bear in mind that 911 is not over nor have all the questions been asked and few have been answered! When Ozone is formed one has to split the niitrogen atom from the oxygen molecule this leaves the nitrogen molecule to combine with moisture to form polmers of acid with repeating structures of units that combine and adheares to surfaces with iron.

We also have textile fibers in building made of acetate that is a salt or ester of acetic acid and plastics are also made from this material compound. Taken from a content of pollutation the wtc;s were or had been under going degeneration for thirty years from acids from building materials, cloths, ozone, and aid rain.

We cannot by any chance pinpoint real reasons for the fall of the buildings until we factor in the combined 30 year attacks by pollunations. We do know that two jets hit the buildings this is a fact. What is not a fact is that saddam or Osamma lit the fuse.

Originally posted by mondegreen
Even jones is carrying a news items that the government is changing its opinion that maybe acid rain was a factor in the buildings failing.

Wtf? Does it rain inside of buildings now? They must be trying to make people into conspiracy theorists.

Nitric acid is very corrosive to steel and many other materials. Ozone also has the ability to form mercury paste by combining with industrial pollutants such as in industrial cities like NY. Mercury paste can corrode
aluminum very quickly and totaly.

The outer facade was covered in aluminum panels that were more exposed to both water (rain) and city pollutants than the inner columns would have been. They stayed in good condition.

Better check all the other buildings round the world in case ozone has weakened them!!!!!

Originally posted by bsbray11
Wtf? Does it rain inside of buildings now? They must be trying to make people into conspiracy theorists.
The outer facade was covered in aluminum panels that were more exposed to both water (rain) and city pollutants than the inner columns would have been. They stayed in good condition.

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Good morning bsbray11, good question does it rain inside of a building? Some people say it does and can do to structrual problems. But modern age materials develop their own unique chemical patterns. Why did the port authority conduct studies for the demolition of the buildings and found it to be not cost effective or sound due to the asbestos fireproofing material. Was the building really nearing it end of life and did anyone really think the buildings could live throughout the 99 year lease! Its not my conspiracy theory but its being considered by the government know and yes the commission did not do work on this only touched on it without an answer?
The outer facade did not suport the building but was hinged on the inner core where corrosive actions had to take place from years of interaction of acidic corrosive actions. It is just a thought of mine and you might just be right that this course of acton and thought is not correct, but many teams of scientists are now looking into this course of events. Do we know without a doubt what caused the fall of the buildings! We saw the planes, the fires and the fall and the molten metal!
What we did not see was the actions of the building materials inside the buildings before the hits and the fires and the actions hidden by clouds of smoke and dust as it fell.

Reguardless whether this is true or not a model must have all the information else we make a hasty generalization as a form of communications to develop a theory.

What we have are theories by many people, government and private is anyone right because of their opinion or wrong on that same content. Five years and we are no nearer too the trust of a valid cause then the government is to protecting our rights. I welcome you too the NEW WORLD ORDER where truth is as hard to find as a good quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys.

Originally posted by Marlborough Red
Better check all the other buildings round the world in case ozone has weakened them!!!!!

Thats a good idea to check buildings around the world and thats what is going on know!

[exwww.rmmag.com.../Magazine/DisplayMagazines.cfm&MGPreview=1&Volume=52&IssueID=239&AID= 2763&ShowArticle=1
Most corrosion of metallic structures is caused or initiated by an electrochemical reaction between the environment and the structure. The chemical reaction involves a flow of electric current within what is referred to as a “corrosion cell.” A corrosion cell consists of four components: 1) a metallic path (such as a pipe, tank, reinforcing steel, etc.); 2) an electrolyte (a surrounding medium that provides an ion transport mechanism between the positive and negative electrodes); 3) an anodic site or anode (where current leaves the metal surface); and 4) a cathodic site or cathode (where current returns to the metal component).
[exConcrete. Because concrete is generally an excellent medium for protecting steel against corrosion, many people are led to think of reinforced concrete structures as monolithic and impregnable. In fact, the corrosion of reinforcing steel in structures of every kind, including buildings, piers, bridges, roads, parking garages, pipelines, etc., is a major problem. When cracking or spalling occurs, it can quickly weaken the structure, leading to costly repairs, or in the worst case scenario, total replacement.

Another thing to consider is that the technology against corrosion used today was not present during the initial constructiion of the wtc. This does not change the fact the good science was used to build the tower just that new ideas ususally come later after the fact.

Originally posted by mondegreen
The outer facade did not suport the building but was hinged on the inner core where corrosive actions had to take place from years of interaction of acidic corrosive actions.

This is what I contest. Not because the perimeter columns obviously did carry loads (where do you think their own static loads were being transferred?), but because, as I said, the perimeter columns were fitted with aluminum panels that were both exposed to much water and pollution.

Also realize that finding a reason for the collapses to have started in the first place is only half the problem, if that. What followed exhibited phenomena that are no more explainable by chemical corrosion as they are by pancake collapses.

acidic rain or ozone would not cause the concrete to explode into pulverised fine dust particles.

Come on, Ozone?
Not trying to be facetious but if the chemistry of our atmosphere is so corrosive that it degrades construction grade steel and concrete to such hazardous conditions in forty some odd years then within the next centruy or so I guess we can expect building to start snapping in half on the breeze. Insurance rates will skyrocket . The Coliseum in Rome has held up remarkably well considering it's concrete has bathed in our corrosive atmosphere for two thousand years. Even if it did collapse, you can bet it wouldn't be symmetrical.
Yeah buildings suffer corrosion and I'm no engineer but it certainly seems to me that structural integrity isn't going to suffer much in that brief amount of time or why would people bother to build anything at all if Ozone is just going to eat it in fifty years?
Maybe we need to take a real good look at that Concrete though sure enough.

Well if they hadn't been so desperate to ship the steel off to China maybe we could be testing it now for Ozone.

But nobody seems to understand in the truth movement is why the steel was removed so fast and not sufficiently studied?

This is a ridiculous thread, look into the observable dynamics of how the planes hit the buildings, what happened before the collapses and how they collapsed and ask relevant questions, this is by far, way out there, as with the holographic plane theory.



[edit on 10/7/2006 by Masisoar]

The first really good evidence for the official story!!!!!!!!!!!! I still think it an inside job but this idea is very plausible and believable.

[edit on 8-10-2006 by El Che]

Originally posted by twitchy
Come on, Ozone?

Not trying to be facetious but if the chemistry of our atmosphere is so corrosive that it degrades construction grade steel and concrete to such hazardous conditions in forty some odd years then within the next centruy or so I guess we can expect building to start snapping in half on the breeze. Insurance rates will skyrocket

. The Coliseum in Rome has held up remarkably well considering it's concrete has bathed in our corrosive atmosphere for two thousand years. Even if it did collapse, you can bet it wouldn't be symmetrical.
Yeah buildings suffer corrosion and I'm no engineer but it certainly seems to me that structural integrity isn't going to suffer much in that brief amount of time or why would people bother to build anything at all if Ozone is just going to eat it in fifty years?
Maybe we need to take a real good look at that Concrete though sure enough.

Much of modern tall buildings are rebar inside of concrete [quote-mondegreen]Most corrosion of metallic structures is caused or initiated by an electrochemical reaction between the environment and the structure. The chemical reaction involves a flow of electric current within what is referred to as a “corrosion cell.” A corrosion cell consists of four components: 1) a metallic path (such as a pipe, tank, reinforcing steel, etc.); 2) an electrolyte (a surrounding medium that provides an ion transport mechanism between the positive and negative electrodes); 3) an anodic site or anode (where current leaves the metal surface); and 4) a cathodic site or cathode (where current returns to the metal component).[/quote-mondegreen]
The flow of current through the wtc was through the reinforcing steel inside the concrete. Also the floor structure was laced aluminum running to the steel core. A phenomenon occures when steel and aluminum are mixed such as steel bolts holding the non-magnetic metal aluminum as fasteners. Super corrosion occurres
extremely fast and thus weakens the point of contact! We also have read from the survivors of the upper wtc floors that when the planes hit the building twisted by several feet. This super stress far exceeded the pounds per square inch designed into the building by the builders to withstand wind sheer and movement of supporting intercore bracing. Large bangs were heard throughout the building and such might be the breaking of support braces throughout the building setting the stage for the fall of the building.
Yes I understand that there were numerous firees throughout the building on key floors such as floor 22 where security of the building was being ran. I also understand the thousands of people saw flashes and bangs in proper time frames
to be conceived as being bombs going off. This does not take away the fact that prior corrosive actions and stress breaks may have happened due to the plane strikes.

Physics has been used to explain the fall and movement of debris of the wtc's building and in my opinion not with solid success! This takes us into the next realm
of light and matter verses force and momentum.

We have to go to quantum mechanics to understand the movement of electrons and atoms that produce density penetration of solid objects. QM states that if you throw a ball at a wall at some point it will go threw the wall, in fact the electrons of the ball do pentrate the wall as a form of measurable energy. Physics states that if you roll a ball across a table it will fall off the other side and thus this physics is true, however in QM it theory is that if you roll a ball across a table at some point it should kick back toward its being momentum. Using a laser a form of light and energy if you point it at the edge of the table the light electrons will kick back as a form of scattered energy thus you see scattered light back along the edge of the table.

en.wikipedia.org...
Another quantum effect is quantum entanglement. In some cases, the wave function of a system composed of many particles cannot be separated into independent wave functions, one for each particle. In that case, the particles are said to be "entangled". If quantum mechanics is correct, entangled particles can display remarkable and counter-intuitive properties. For example, a measurement made on one particle can produce, through the collapse of the total wavefunction, an instantaneous effect on other particles with which it is entangled, even if they are far apart. (This does not conflict with special relativity because information cannot be transmitted in this way.)

In the case of the wtc's buildings in its weakened state and at its start of fall the electrons of the material of the building became entangled; it shared its electrons and passed and stored energy as it fell and released this energy in great waves.
This release of the stored energy also released heat as a form of energy and thus produced light as a form of proton energy conducting itself down the metal framework of the building releasing thus more energy and entanglement of electrons.

We saw dust clouds climbing from the falling materials and ejections of solid materials that could not absorb the electrons (aka girders). Was enough energy absorbed by the concrete by way for frequency absorbation of the sand quartz crystals within the weaken concrete to cause sudden release of energy. If we look at

en.wikipedia.org... first type of quantum effect is the quantization of certain physical quantities. Quantization first arose in the mathematical formulae of Max Planck in 1900 as discussed in the introduction. Max Planck was analyzing how the radiation emitted from a body was related to its temperature, in other words, he was analyzing the energy of a wave. The energy of a wave could not be infinite, so Planck used the property of the wave we designate as the frequency to define energy. Max Planck discovered a constant that when multiplied by the frequency of any wave gives the energy of the wave.

This is just a theory folks not proven or has it been studied by any group or government body.

Originally posted by Masisoar
This is a ridiculous thread, look into the observable dynamics of how the planes hit the buildings, what happened before the collapses and how they collapsed and ask relevant questions, this is by far, way out there, as with the holographic plane theory.

[edit on 10/7/2006 by Masisoar]

Masisoar states this is a ridiculous thread, yet cannot find evidence that such properties of physics such as this cannot occur. Was the wtcs in perfect shape before the plane hits, I would think not by degrees of science. So lets go there for now. Below is information of corrosive elements and metals so take a moment and think where such metals were used in the WTC's.
The simplified galvanic series chart below will assist you in determining the potential electrical activity between 2 metals.

www.marfas.com...

Galvanic Series of Metals and Alloys

Magnesium Anodic
More likely to be attacked

Magnesium Alloys
Zinc
Aluminum 1100
Cadmium
Aluminum 2024-T4
Steel
Iron
Cast Iron
Lead-Tin Solders
Lead
Tin More Noble
Cathodic

Brass
Copper
Bronze
Copper-Nickel Alloys
Stainless Type 430 (Passive)
Stainless Type 304 (Passive)
Stainless Type 316 (Passive)
Silver
Graphite
Gold
Platinum
Source: ITT Harper





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Guideline for Selection of Fasteners based on Galvanic Action

Fastener Metal

Zinc &
Galvanized
Steel
Aluminum &
Aluminum
Alloys
Steel and
Cast Iron
Brass, Copper,
Bronze, Monel
Martensitic
Stainless
(Type 410)
Austentic
Stainless
(Types 302,
303, 304, 305)

Base Metal




Zinc & Galvanized
Steel
A
B
B
C
C
C

Aluminum &
Aluminum Alloys
A
A
B
C
Not
Recommended
B

Steel and Cast
Iron
AD
A
A
C
C
B

Lead-Tin Plated
Sheets
ADE
AE
AE
C
C
B

Brass, Copper,
Bronze, Monel
ADE
AE
AE
A
A
B

Ferritic Stainless
(Type 430)
ADE
AE
AE
A
A
A

Austentic Stainless
(Type 302/304)
ADE
AE
AE
AE
A
A

A - The corrosion of the base metal is not increased by the fastener
B - The corrosion of the base metal is marginally increased by the fastener
C - The corrosion of the base metal may be markedly increased by the fastener material
D - The plating on the fastener is rapidly consumed, leaving the bare fastener metal
E - The corrosion of the fastener is increased by the base metal
Note - Surface treatment and environment can change activity
Source - "Stainless Steel Fasteners A Systematic Approach To Their Selection" AISI 502-476-18M-CP

In bring this information to bear and it seems to be separate from other theories, why would one person attack it with remarks as Masisoar had stated.
There is great proof that corrosion was destroyinbg the wtc's buildings and justified prior studies for it destruction was funded. It would far out cost any profits made on this building. What we have is a catch 22 here folks, sure the planes hit the buildings, sure there was great fires and yes there seems to be something about the fall and concrete becoming dust within two feet of each foot of fall.
That will become the great what happened to the wtc's and you folks have not gotten any closer to the truth after five years then you gotten to retirement!
Why was everyone envolved with 911 attending a offutt golf party, why was the other ise of 911 being run from offutt. Why did Bush end up at offutt and then the fake blimps disappear! Everything that happened on 911 happened in plain sight and no one saw the difference, yet so many found the perfect cause that cannot be pieced together without looking like a lsd conceived baby.
When you have a thirty year old building with major corrosive problems, a massive hit by a plane that twists the building it can snap the core strength of the building, the building had thousands of generatos throughout the building, each was producing plasma sparks hot enough to produce ozone that could be and was trapped inside the building and electricial ion paths from the top to the bottom by way of the steel rebar through the concrete. Mositure inside the building combining with ozone produces nitric acid very corrosive and the corrosive action accumulated along the steel and aluminum framework. You also had alum and steel bolted together with what steel bolts probably of poor quality, which no one will speak about what so ever, its either the planes, fires, or bombs. We know there are planes, we know there was fires, but no one has produced bombs, yes there are firemen, police and many others that state they saw or heard explosions, but what did they really hear and see in that ten seconds of hell.

Originally posted by Insolubrious
acidic rain or ozone would not cause the concrete to explode into pulverised fine dust particles.

Yes it did pulversie to very fine dust particles and I believe a secondary outside force may have played a hand in this. How can concrete become this way

911research.wtc7.net...

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Numerous incidents preceding the attack indicate many people had advance knowledge of the attack.
Put Options
Stock trades bet on the fall in share values for the two airlines whose planes were used in the attack.
Put options purchases on United Airlines and American Airlines stock rose to four and 25 times normal levels in the days preceding the attack. 1 Â 2 Â
Avoidance of the Airlines, the WTC, and the Pentagon
Government officials and executives avoided the targets of the attack.
Pentagon officials canceled travel plans on September 10th. 3 Â
San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown received a warning not to fly on September 10th. 4 Â
Scotland Yard prohibited Salman Rushdie from flying on September 11th. 5 Â
Two employees of Odigo, the instant messaging service, received e-mail warnings of the attack two hours before the first assault on the WTC. 6 Â
Business executives, some of whom worked in the WTC, were in Nebraska to attend a meeting at Offutt Air Force Base hosted by billionaire Warren Buffett on the morning of September 11th. The same base would be visited later that day by George W. Bush. 7 Â

Yes, there is more then corrosive effects on buildings here, but there are also corrosive effects on our bill of rights because of 911, and we are no closer to finding the answer then is bush winning the war in iraq, we need a better application of information to find our answers and dissing any type of information is not in our best interests.