World of Warcraft!

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Yeah, the PvP system needs some work done. Not only do you get less honor points than you originally accumulated, after the reset, but everything costs way too much marks and honor. The druid S1 head piece alone has taken me 2 weeks to get, and I still have 8 other pieces I need to buy from the PvP vendor.

Arena would be much better if they lowered the cost of all the season 3 gear. A good arena player that plays 2 hrs a day would have enough points to get one item in 3-4 weeks. Just like the S1 gear, it would take 4-6 months to get a whole set of gear.

The problem is, there is those (and many of us) that play way more than 2 hours a night.

To me/us, grinding out 56,000 Honor & enough marks (for S1) is a fair amount of time, if your playing the amount Iam. I can grind out 5,000+ Honor each night, and I push myself even more when Im coming close to an item. So, in under 2 weeks I can have a toon in Season 1 PVP gear.

This isnt even playing in made-groups. In a made group, I can literally grind out 10,000+ honor a night (weekend/day off). Thats close to one epic item a night, if you get into made-groups and have the required time.

The main problem with the PvP system to me is that there is people who are casual, and simply cannot keep up to the people who can play more.

What is blizzard to do about that? If they lower the pvp reward costs, the hardcores will be in full pvp sets in hours, not weeks, and we will be back at the same problem.

Naaaa... IMO, the pvp system is ok... If you are a semi-hardcore MMO player (in other words, if you can keep up with the pack). I can understand how those that play less than I would look at the system as broken, when most of your opponents have a HUGE play time and gear advantage than you....

..... But I say this to you.....

Welcome to MMORPG's...... Tiss the nature; keep up, or be left in the dust with the rest of the nOOb's.



P.S. If your a resto druid..... Get into a good/semi-good arena team and reap the rewards of maybe the strongest Class in the Arena. Resto Druids + Arena = Free Epics.

My druid just dinged level 50 lastnight just for this. Within a month, I should be sitting around Shatt with close to full PvP set as a Resto Druid.

[edit on 11-1-2008 by JbT]

My gf violently hates games, so I've been reduced to that of a casual gamer.

oh woe.


Not that I play WoW anymore or any mmos...

Here's a quote from Jeff Kaplan:
en.wikipedia.org...

Balance. Balance is in the eyes of the player. It doesn't have to be balanced; the average player just has to feel like it is balanced. Totally balanced PvP means losing half the time. Losing half the time is not necessarily fun.

reply to post by JbT


I was thinking about going resto, but then the game would get boring. I tried healing Arc with my moonglade gear on, and it did go successfully, to everyone's surprise, since I am feral. They wanted me to heal for them again, but I found it so boring! Instead of using any real strategy, all I did was click my party member's icon, cast lifebloom, then wait for their hp to go down till I did another lifebloom.

After I get my S1 gear, I will start a 5v5 arena team with 4 other druids, 3 who are balance, and one resto. Talk about op

The PvP system in WoW is a flat out joke to say the least. Sure it’s fun for awhile but then the grind sets in and all of the fun goes right out the window for me. I absolutely HATE!!! WSG, AB has to be my favorite BG, EotS is a complete joke and AV was the best honor gain till the alliance boycotted it on my battlegroup. I will not even mention the joke that is world PvP lol

reply to post by DJMessiah


I'll admit that I have never played a healing class in PvP myself, kind of why Im leveling my Druid (got to lvl 58 lastnight!).

Ive heard that same thing from many many healers though, that healing is basically looking at health bars the whole time. In that case, of course its going to be much different that say my main, a Rogue.

Ill have to get back to you about if I like the healing side of it, cause at 70, Im going to respec Resto to gather gear and PvP, mainly PvP, maybe make it into Karazhan on our weekly saturday clear of it.

Im looking for a different play style too, so I can see myself warming up to this very well.

Alright fellow members of ATS. I have been thinking about buying WoW for a while and haven't been able to make up my mind. Would you recommend me buying the game and starting to play? If so, what are the benefits of each race, etc.

I know I can probably find this info somewhere, but I am currently at work and unable to look it up.

Originally posted by JadePhoenix
The PvP system in WoW is a flat out joke to say the least. Sure it’s fun for awhile but then the grind sets in and all of the fun goes right out the window for me. I absolutely HATE!!! WSG, AB has to be my favorite BG, EotS is a complete joke and AV was the best honor gain till the alliance boycotted it on my battlegroup. I will not even mention the joke that is world PvP lol

I too hate WSG. Its just not my type of game (capture the flag). But the rest of them, if played with a made group, IMO can be entertaining for a while.

Sure, they get old. But by the time I get burnt out, I usually have the gear I want. Plus, Arena is a totaly different monster that you didnt mention, that really brought in some strenght that wasnt there at all prior to it.

World PVP, yea, a joke. But, I belive they are working on this for the next expansion. Ive heard that one zone will be a PVP zone, I think on all servers. Could be fun. Not to mention the seige warfare thats coming in that expansion.

Does the PVP system rule? No, but it works IMO, and with every patch/expansion the system is getting better.

I dont know why Im even arguing for the PVP system. I guess that its cause I used to look at it like it was complete crap, but if you get into it (and learn to maximize it - make groups), it can work for you is what I found out.

I used to really enjoy this game but too many young kids have ruined it. I wish there was a MMORPG that required players to be 18+ as to sort out the 6-10 year olds that dont understand the concepts required in these types of games. Toontown is more appropriate for the young ones, while world of warcraft is geared towards i'd say the teenage group - too easy, not enough thought required, and much too repetitive.

reply to post by deadline527


My solution to that is to only play with friends that you know and trust. I was in a fairly large guild and had a bunch of friends in different guilds all around the server. We all decided to start fresh on a new server, changed factions and started at lvl 1.
Most of us are at or close to 70 now and we just started raiding Karazhan. We have been raiding it with 7-8 people for now because we want to avoid grouping with people that we don't know or trust.

When i'm in a major city, I just turn off general and trade channels so I can avoid the nonsense.

reply to post by JbT


If you truly feel like going resto, I would at least get all blue gear before arena. I have seen some green gear with freakishly high +healing, but these are rare. I would try for the Moonglade set, and add +healing, or +int gems to it. There is a nice dagger from the last boss on regular Bot, that has high healing+, as well as stamina and resil rating (I think).

Honest to God, Resto Druids are impossible to kill. There was a Tauren Druid near SW, and I was fighting him for at least 10 min. Whenever I would bring his HP low, he would eaither cyclone me, hibernate me (while I was in cat/bear form), or root me, and then heal himself, or go to cheetah form and run and heal himself. I could never bring his HP down past 30%. An arms war even came out to help me, and we couldn't beat the druid.

Though the Druid never did damage to us, he managed to stay alive against 2 pvp speced/geared players. We finally gave up and the druid hearthed after we walked away. The Druid had S3 healing gear, and he's one of the reasons why I am convinced players think Druids are op.

reply to post by secret titan


Don't buy the game if you're unsure. Blizzard allows new players to try the game out for 10 days before you buy. You can also make up to 9 characters per server, all on the same faction. There are over 50+ servers, do you can try out all the classes if you like.

There are different types of realms you can join. The types are PvP (player vs player), PvE (player versus environment, where no other player can attack you), RPG (where you always have to stay in character), and RPGPvP.

PvP realms are the most popular, because Alliance and Horde can battle each other. PvE is for people who don't like being killed by someone 20+ levels higher than they are.

The game lists what each race has for their special traits, but I think you should worry more about the classes, more than race.

Each race is split up between two groups - the Alliance and Horde. The Alliance has the Night Elf race (the most popular race), Humans, Gnomes, Dwarves, Dranaei. The horde have the Tauren, Orcs, Blood Elves, Undead, and Trolls.

Night Elves are the most popular among the Alliance races because they have the ability to Shadowmeld (stealth) regardless of their class, and because they also have a 1% dodge increase, as well as the wisp form, when they die.

For horde, the Undead are the most popular because not only do they look cool, they can avoid fear effects, as well as feast on dead players to get back HP.

You can only choose one faction/group type per server, and if you make a Horde, you will usually win in the Arathi Basin and War Song Gulch battlegrounds, but usually lose in Alteric Valley and Eye of the Storm; and vice vera for Alliance

The classes are:

Paladin: These are the melee/spell/healing classes of WoW. Most players are usually Holy spec (healing) so they can heal during instance/dungeon parties, or they go Retribution to PvP against other players. You could also go Protection to tank, but Pally tanks aren't that good because they break any form of crowd control. There is only one race for the Horde that can be Paladins, and that's the Blood Elves, while most of the Alliance races can be it.

Warrior: This class is built tough cause they can use the strongest armor in the game (like Paladins), and can use almost every weapon in the game. Later on, warriors get to duel wield weapons.

Rogue: This class is heavy on PvP. They are the quick killers of the game, able to stealth behind a player, and kill them in a few seconds. Only down side is that they don't have much armor, and can die easily if you spot them before they spot you. They are able to duel wield a limited type of weapons later in the game, as well as coat their weapons with poisons. Right now, the hardest spec to kill in all of WoW is Mace/Stun-lock rogues. These rogues duel wield maces, and with each hit, they are able to stun the character for a few seconds, keeping the player from doing any attacks. This is likely to be nerfed by Blizzard, because a lot of people have been complaining about it.

Mage: This class is a spell class only. They do high amounts of damage, but are weak when hit against. You can spec to ice/fost, fire, or arcane mage. Frost is great for freezing enemies so they never get to you, and you are very hard to hit. Fire and Arcane do tons of damage, but most people use this spec for only in PvP.

Warlock: This class is a spell class too, but a little different than mages. Instead of doing direct damage, this class uses curses and magic to wear down the enemy's health over time. These spells are called "DoTs" or "Damage of Time." Blizzard gave them a spell that all other classes hate, called "fear." You can cast fear every few seconds, and it sends the player running away against their will, while your spells are still doing damage to them. Warlocks also get different summons, at different levels, like the succubus, imp, and felhound.

Priest: Most priests are healing classes, but they can also be DoT spell classes like Warlocks. Other than druids, priests do some of the best healing in the game. You can either be a holy priest and heal, or a Shadow Priest and do damage. Usually, Shadow priests won't do much damage till lvl 55+. At lvl 70, they can do lots of damage, plus they also have a mass fear spell, that fears everyone around them for 3 sec. They also later gain the ability to summon a shadowfiend pet that does melee damage. If you roll a priest, i would suggest to go shadow spec till lvl 30, then respec to holy, because questing from lvl 1-30 while holy spec will make the game go so very slow. At lvl 30, there are more dungeons/instances you can join a party with, and by healing them, you can get easy access to weapons and armor without doing much work.

Hunters: This is by far, the easiest class to play and level. As a hunter, you are able to train and own up to 3 different types of animals, that you choose, and you send them off to attack a enemy, while you shoot the enemy from a distance. You can set traps, as well as duel wield two weapons later on in the game.

Shamans: This class can either be healers, spell casters, or melee, depending on which build/spec you choose in your talent tree. They can place totems on the ground that can give them different types of strengths, like + healing, extra agility, extra HP, and so on. This is the hardest class to play, imo, because anytime you are fighting an enemy, you have to place totems on the ground, or you wont be as strong. Plus the totems have HP too, so if a player attacks it, you have to replace those totems. But once you do have the totems on the ground, you can do a lot of damage.

Druid: This is the class that can do anything. This class has a little bit of everything from every other class. Druids can heal, DoT, HoT (Heal over time), tank like a warrior (by turning into a bear), dps and stealth like a rogue (by turning into a cat), use spells like a mage or shaman (by turning into a Moonkin/Boomkin), and take on different animal forms (seal, storm crow, cheetah). Only the Tauren on horde's side can be druids, and only Night Elves from Alliance side can be Druids. I would suggest playing this class first, because you get a feel for all other classes. Plus at lvl 68, you get the spell to turn into a Stormcrow, giving you the ability to fly, before any other class can, plus it saves you a ton of gold. Other classes have to pay 1,000 gold to learn to fly, but at lvl 68, you only have to pay 15g.

[edit on 14-1-2008 by DJMessiah]

[edit on 14-1-2008 by DJMessiah]

reply to post by JbT


I’m in a guild that is dedicated to PvP, so getting into a premade is no problem for me. I guess for me the game has run its course, and maybe it’s time for me to move on to something different. I’ve been playing WoW for over 2 years now, don’t get me wrong I like the game and I wish it would have went in another direction in its development. The classes in WoW are PvE classes not intended for PvP, that’s why we see all of the nerfs and class tweaks/changes we are getting now. WoW could have been GREAT if they would have gone with the WAR in Warcraft. Horde vs. Alliance, none of this we co-exist crap. I would have like to have seen siege warfare from the start, nothing says lovin like having the ability to sack Stormwind or Ironforge. As far as the Arenas are concerned, I belong to a team but I do not join them in many arenas because of my work. I am hoping WAR gives me what I am seeking in a game for the time being. On a side note if Blizz announces that they are developing a Star Craft MMO I'm all over that

DWARF HUNTER.......have fun!!!!

reply to post by ghostryder21


I've been leveling up a Bloodelf hunter and I love it...

I just started a hunter my self, about to hit 58 soon. Hunter has gotta be one of the fastest leveling classes! BM talent set rocks.

Originally posted by CPYKOmega
I am a level 53 night Elf Warrior now. I have tons of epic gear now. This game is worse then a drug. A good time killer. PVP is a lot better now that I am higher up.

It was really funny to watch your progression from your first post. "I played the 10 day trial, then played the 30 day trial, I might get 1 more months subscription". HAHA that is exactly how we all started out! I knew from your first post that it would end this way. Too funny

Sargeras:Horde Retired for over a year

**Actually if you were anything like me your not even checking this forum anymore, unless its down time and wow forums are down

[edit on 31-1-2008 by sputniksteve]

reply to post by RavenWindfree


WOW.. Such a great game!! I have a new guild I started up with some friends I have in my area.. WE all get together for some drinks, and have dinner.. Talk about guild biz..

Then while at home we all get together to run instances, and have a great playing exp!! I love the game!! And its better than going out all the time spending money at the bar to hang out with my friends..
now we can hang out in cyber space.. Save some money.. And still get out of the house 1 time a week to hang out at their houses!!

Great FUn!



Horde for the win!!!
But ally is fun to play too sometimes!






[edit on 31-1-2008 by zysin5]

reply to post by zysin5


Hehe zysin I have playing a little bit on EpicWoW. What private server do you play on? They are fun but Epic keeps deleting armor every night and it is really frustrating.

reply to post by sputniksteve


I play on magethrion on live server with my friends Guild name Horde Legends

I started my own personal server called Zysin server.. But I only run it for training lan parties at my buddies house.. WE only play on the edited server for training means, and getting the understandings of the bigger end game instances.. Also its kewl for checking out what epics you really want to work twords, and personally see how they do in real combat..

This is not the kind of game that one man plays alone.. I suggest getting as many friends as you can to start a little guild.. And share everything between you and help out..
I find its tuff when you play with people you dont know. and its a head ache working out who gets what, some people are greedy and take everything.. When in groups of friends, you find playing WOW is much like the old days of Pen and paper D&D which we where all advid fans of!!

HOwever I do not promote cheating of any kind.. STuff like I do on private servers, is for training purposes only.. Nothing worse than people who have to cheat at a game like this to win...

I enjoy being the underdog.. Sure we all wish we where the most powerful in game,,but what fun or challenge is that?