Astronauts families threatened: no talk about UFO's

On Sept. 10, Steven Greer had this to say on Art Bell.

From the C2C website:
www.coasttocoastam.com...

Founder of the Disclosure Project, Dr. Steven Greer shared secretive information about the ET presence, that he said has come to him from corroborated sources. One of his associates, who worked with Neil Armstrong at Purdue, said that Armstrong told him once they stepped out of the lunar module on the moon, they were literally surrounded by ET vehicles. Further, Armstrong was approached to be part of the Disclosure Project in 1997, BUT DECLINED OVER THREATS THAT HIS FAMILY WOULD BE KILLED, SAY GREER, who commented that fear and intimidation have kept many witnesses from coming forward.

Wait a minute! Neil Armstrong's family threatened with death if he spoke? Sounds like the Soviet Union or Hitler's Germany. What is going on?

How can a supposed democracy be so corrupt and repressive? If we read between the lines, we can see that the US has been overthrown by some kind of mafia that threatens heroes' families like Hussein threatened Kurds. Why?

What threat do clean-cut heros pose to the secret sub-culture that's trying to shut down the story about aliens? Is is because a hero could tell the truth and be believed more than a stooge like Bush who is trotted out to lie and cover it all up?

And what's wrong with people knowing about aliens? Is it because the cabal that threatens a mafia-like fate for people's families is compromised by the abductors? Michael Salla's thesis is exactly that. Salla thinks that the cabal has been led into a little kitty basket and addicted to the abductors' technology, and now, they're so deeply implicated in crimes that the same aliens can both blackmail them and keep them stringing along for token technology.

Worse yet, possession of such technology makes them think they can secretly control the whole world, hence laws no longer matter. And what else follows when an elite cabal thinks that the Constitituion is just a farce? Stolen electronic elections? Murder of witnesses?

Anything goes. But think about it: it's like the Catholic Church still denying that Galileo was right---500 years afterward.

In other words, it's no longer about aliens and the public's reaction because the majority already think aliens are here, says a 2002 Roper poll. It's about extremes of corruption, blackmailed elitists, and others, like DuPonts and Rockefeller who seem to work more for the abductors' goals than human preferences. Laundered drug money, CIA and intel narco trafficking on a huge scale (see www.madcowprod.com... ), it's all part of a secret empire of corruption that involves sex slavery and child abductions, bribes to politicians, and a US cabal that's worse than old royal courts. They're so far from psychological norms that they don't think we're even real---instead, we're all considered servile lessers.

In the old days, such regimes were either overthrown in revolutions or finished off by a competing monarchy. But now, mass media can put out brainwash that makes it all seem unreal.

Space aliens and government trafficking of narcotic!?! See that sneer on Bush's face? *His father is one of the worst of them.

Does it get worse, or does it get better as we slouch toward ecological near-death?

It doesn't change at all if you don't do something.

The biggest news of our time, and it's all denied as though ridiculous. Meanwhile, Neil Armstrong tells Steven Greer they threatened to kill his family...

Is there anything you can do to help break the news, any way to pass the story on to others?

If, as Budd Hopkins and Michael Salla suggest, the cabal is blackmailed, if not complicit with the abducting aliens, then the alien goal is CONTROL OF US and our resources, a loss of human freedoms. It's a cold-blooded scheme rife with coldly detached aliens who eliminated basic emotions from their makeup, long ago. Of course they use breeding program operatives to further the agenda--it's a more efficient way to gain their objectives!

Under a regime of idiot propaganda, we're extremely vulnerable. Europeans see our media as simple-minded: Katie Couric's hairdo and her co-anchors' feel-good postures, coverup of the biggest stories (might cause a little ouch on Wall St.), an incompetent president who brags about spying on millions of US citizens.

The perils of trying to live a flatland material lifestyle result in a greater vulnerability to similarly shallow aliens. They can bait inbred elite actors into fatal traps and a Big Brother regime, in our case a friendly kind of fascism. If you don't see beyond material pretensions and fight to help the planet survive, some aliens don't care if your planet dies---it would become a threat to them, otherwise.

So, how to move the public to a higher kind of awareness? Bit by bit, exposure after exposure. Once the story gets out clearly, right and left will unite against breeding program operatives who scheme to ruin all hope of human self determination. It has THE MOST REVOLUTIONAY POTENTIAL in all human history.

Speak the truth, but probe old assumptions and draw out the scheme for others to see. The US and other countries are well-primed to rebel against such oppression.

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[edit on 18-9-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

It's believable that the threaths are real, but the problem is that institutions will crumble and there is no plan againts that. Religion,Education,Science,Stock markets etc.. they will all fall, including the 300 trillion dollar energy market.

The Secret Gov cabal cannot and will not let that happen,they will destroy humanity before we will know the truth and that's a shame.

Originally posted by incunabula
It's believable that the threaths are real, but the problem is that institutions will crumble and there is no plan againts that. Religion,Education,Science,Stock markets etc.. they will all fall, including the 300 trillion dollar energy market.

The Secret Gov cabal cannot and will not let that happen,they will destroy humanity before we will know the truth and that's a shame.

Institutions crumbling? For reveling that there's somewhere else besides us?
That's ridiculous. They want you think that. But well, maybe we must to wait until those guys develop brainwashing radiowaves, so we couldn't start questioning for the truth again. They simply will push the button... and the curiosity off! CIA brainwashing techniques? Anyone?

It's not ridiculous at all. Have you considered the economic implications of free energy technologies on the planet? They have a massive market to protect, that's what it boils down to. We will be enchained to fossil fuels til the last drop of oil slides down the pipeline. Never mind the social considerations, I'm sure we'd all get over that pretty quickly. It's the economic control - that is the sole determinant of continued secrecy.

And it's possible that Dr. Greer either misunderstood (not likely), spoke out of turn (more likely), or fabricated it (quite possible).

I guess my question regarding Dr. Greer's revelation is that if Mr. Armstrong told him he couldn't cooperate based on the possible death of all his family, how much compassion, insight, and consideration did Dr. Greer give Mr. Armstrong and his situation.

None??? (Indeed obvious).

Be interesting to see which way this develops. Has anyone spoken to Mr. Armstrong in order to verify the truth or quell the rumor?

I believe to some extent that these things go on. As more and more of the decades of behind the scenes government insidiousness comes to light people are getting a more complete and terrifying picture of those in charge of our country.

You can't help but feel for anyone in that sort of a situation if it's true. If anyone reading this isn't aware that our government (and they are no more immune to aberrant or paranoid behavior than the next person) engages in behavior that is unusual, bizarre, paranoid, immoral, wreckless, irresponsible, self-serving, greedy and dangerous beyond comprehension, then you have some waking up to do.

Honestly, you hear about these behind the scene intimidation tactics, threats, murders, etc., all of the time. The U.S. government has already proven itself a criminal enterprise. Period. These are the things of which we will not speak. A criminal is an individual who breaks the law. Well, what do you call an organization that breaks the law? What do you call an organization that has broken laws and violated the constitution for decades and continues to on a consistent basis? I call that a criminal organization. The seat changes, but it's always business as usual behind the scenes.

And they do this with impugnity. It's clear that the current administration has apparently made itself so powerful and untouchable that no one person, or any group, regardless of the position held, dares speak up or act against it. The American public, myself included, suffered a terrible blow from the events of 9-11. Our government claimed one individual was responsible, but by our president's own admission, he is no longer a target. Oh? And Iraq, our president has also stated, has nothing to do with the events of 9-11. Were you stopping by there on the way back home to pick up cigarettes?

9-11 has given our government carte blanche to attack any country it sees as hostile. And as long as we're engaged in war, the USA Patriot Act allows our government to suspend our constitutional rights. Not that it wasn't doing that already behind the scenes...I mean, come on...but what makes this one really scary is instead of a war that goes on for a couple of years, when you are fighting an idea and not a target, the game isn't over until your intrepid president says it is - which means our laws do not exist anymore. They're basically guides now...really just suggestions, because all it takes is a word from our pres. and the law is lifted. The laws become more an inconvenience. Just more paperwork.

But you can breathe a sigh of relief when the War on Terror is won. Rememeber the War on Drugs? The drug war is a philosophy. The drug war was won by the people that created the war, and it was won the moment they created it. It's just that the "goal" of the war was to create a way to funnel money to certain sectors. Currently we spend over $36 billion a year on this war. In 2006, there were a little over 7,000 drug related incarcerations. You should know that many major drug lords have retired in Colorado with members of the CIA. Oh what a world.

Why did the Supreme Court and the United States Senate bother wasting the country's time pursuing a sitting president's untruth about an affair he had with his aide, but don't feel that wiretapping, torture, lying to the American public, distorting facts, entering into a war with another country without fully informing the United States Congress, and continued unconstitutional and unchecked transgressions of law and morality constitute "substantial and credible information showing that the president has committed acts that may constitute grounds for an impeachment". This was enough to bring Clinton before the Senate, and before his term was up. What has happened to our government's oversight? What's wrong with this picture?

This is def. less about aliens and more about our government's conduct. And given our own laws are used and manipulated against us, our only true hope is information.

I've always been a suporter of Greer and his DP but now I'm puzzled. As far as I remember the whole Greer's idea was that the power that be is orchestrating an alien threat scenario in order to justify their SDI program and try to make the alien appear as malevolent. So in other words the whole idea is that aliens are bening and the rest is just BS to use the alien threat scenario for dark purposes. Now I'm lost, Greer is joing the club??? Him self now his saying that malevolent aliens do exist and they control the planet behind the scene?
Does anybody have an answer for that?

And it's possible that Dr. Greer either misunderstood (not likely), spoke out of turn (more likely), or fabricated it (quite possible).

I guess my question regarding Dr. Greer's revelation is that if Mr. Armstrong told him he couldn't cooperate based on the possible death of all his family, how much compassion, insight, and consideration did Dr. Greer give Mr. Armstrong and his situation.

None??? (Indeed obvious).

Be interesting to see which way this develops. Has anyone spoken to Mr. Armstrong in order to verify the truth or quell the rumor?

Originally posted by gl2
On Sept. 10, Steven Greer had this to say on Art Bell.

From the C2C website:
www.coasttocoastam.com...

Founder of the Disclosure Project, Dr. Steven Greer shared secretive information about the ET presence, that he said has come to him from corroborated sources. One of his associates, who worked with Neil Armstrong at Purdue, said that Armstrong told him once they stepped out of the lunar module on the moon, they were literally surrounded by ET vehicles. Further, Armstrong was approached to be part of the Disclosure Project in 1997, BUT DECLINED OVER THREATS THAT HIS FAMILY WOULD BE KILLED, SAY GREER, who commented that fear and intimidation have kept many witnesses from coming forward.

i dunno which bit not to believe first: the greer bit, the alien bit, or the landing on the moon bit

Whatever Greer's position is, I've come to understand, and it seems plausible, that there are just as varied species and motives at play as their are human on earth than one or the other.

Now I'm not saying that this is a fact, but it seems more reasonable to assume that there would likely be a multitude of motives and species involved if any, and not just one. I think experiencers concede that there are conflicting/confusing motives they're experiencing.

Greer can't be anything more than ignorant of the whole picture. However, the fact that this threat to Armstrong's family evidences that whatever is happening, Greer is touching very sensitive territory. This in itself, if true, is pretty exciting. I'm not condoning the threats, but the fact that there were any in the first place means Greer is on the right track...

My personal hope would be that even if there are good and bad aliens, that the good ones will prevail as far as our future is concerned. However, the threat, if true, may not have anything at all to do with "bad" aliens running the show from behind the scenes, but may have everything to do with preventing the people in this country coming to the realization that we've been in contact, the government has known about it, the government by extension most likely has received crash debris or more, and that they have been working on this stuff and hiding it while the rest of this country suffers in darkness not only technologically, but spiritually, for decades, and desperately does not want that information out.

Once that cat is out of the bag there is no returning. Once that is out, our existince on this planet will never be the same again. And it will accelerate forward in so many respects, and there will be nothing that can be done about that...

Now my actual hope is that through increased sightings and contact and the Internet (information), that this movement that is gaining unbelievable momentum will build a solid foundation with the citizens of this planet that cannot be destroyed or refuted, and that will be the average citizen's saving grace...Information right now is the most powerful tool and weapon the average citizen has and it's all at our disposal...

Greer thinks the gray-related aliens are good. He only suggests that other aliens, warded off by the gray alignment, may be bad. I disagree in a larger sense, of course. See my book Alien Mind - a Primer for details. It isn't all so black and white. For example, are we "good?" Judging us from outside, what would be the verdict?

If disclosure happened tonight, tomorrow there would be discussion. There wouldn't be panic, nor chaos. Institutions wouldn't fall recklessly. Instead, global conventions on alien energy tech would be hammered out, and we'd go from there. And the economy? Hopefully, the worst mass criminal perennial offenders (DuPonts, Rothschilds, Rockefeller, and such) would lose out and an alternative "economy" would develop. Remember, you define economy as though it is scientifically valid, consistent with universal norms. Ours isn't. An economy based on paper that doesn't even begin to try to correspond with available resources and survivable lifestyle isn't universally valid. It will fail. It's only a matter of when. It may be when the dollar collapses, hopefully when the entire world agrees on a system that is based on energy and resources that we HAVE, a better sharing (not a frenzy of ruinous, uncontrolled pretensions). Otherwise, it's over here before it gets started.

Within a week, there would be a major controversy: Who's version is real---the Bush story about aliens who are a threat (except for the gray alignment which Bush will try to say "we've" cut a deal with) or the larger, more developed and scientific reports by long-term investigators and scientists? The people and even religions are ready for disclosure, so there won't be a panic. The people who will fare worst are fundamentalist religious types, a minority, whose minds can't wrap around more complex data. They may tend to react, as directed by various weird manipulators.

But overall, we'll be better for the knowledge. Within a month, more well-developed, careful studies about aliens will begin to surface. The struggle between the Bush-DuPont-Rothschild/Rockefeller (and Saud) cabal vs. honest whistleblowers will begin to surface--with passion. The good guys will say no, aliens aren't all either enemies or business partners, while the Bush cabal will want to continue big dope=CIA dominion=economic control politics. There will be a shakeout. Good, decent people who've been repressed or afraid to report their detailed studies of aliens will begin to release their info. Bush types will say it's all garbage and will point to hard alien artifacts stored in military controlled locations.

Who will be believed: the Bush types, or the honest, unbiased reportage? The Bush/Rothschild cabal will try to cause economic crisis to hinge the whole public attention on their version, then try to cut a deal with the gray-related aliens. It appears to be their scheme: crisis, fear, and control through coercion and loss of human rights. They'll try to frame it all as a crisis. Meanwhile, they're losing their shirts and humankind is being subtly liberated from oppressive fictions. Not so much a crisis as an awakening.

The problem with the Bush cabal and old religious orders is that they think we must be controlled through a master-slave relationship. Elites must give orders and control us through fear. A more advanced, alien version is a more tutorial, neighborly relationship with advanced aliens. After that comes a shared universal identity (actually this last version is embedded in the second stage of awareness and some on this planet are already there, in many ways).

So the old order will fail (it's failing now, isn't it?) but that's good for humankind. The crimes of the Bush/Rothschild cabal will become evident, but the big challenge is to get military and other career persons to sever their pacifier link with the cabal and think independently, critically. That will be new for most of them. Men who simply follow orders are sometimes not adept at good, critical judgement. Which is why we have civilian leadership over uniformed: civilians outnumber military about 200+ to 1.

So you have a choice: slouch toward disaster by hiding behind a monster (the Bush/Rothschild master-slave thing), or step out into the sun and actually practice government by the people. It requires real international justice, rather than a mere pretense of such that the Bush/Rothschild cabal prefers. And we will have to develop a good, critical analysis of all aliens. Comparative studies, a more scientific thoroughness.


[edit on 19-9-2006 by gl2]

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
I believe to some extent that these things go on. As more and more of the decades of behind the scenes government insidiousness comes to light people are getting a more complete and terrifying picture of those in charge of our country.
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Finally somebody saying things as they are! And can you even imagine what sort of things those CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS are doing without the public knowledge? You people, can criticize ever you want about the "personal thinking" of Dr. Greer. But I invite to you all, read again his work, with all those direct witnesses. And after reading all that, can you really believe that everything is as Gov. says?