What Don't You Understand About Another's Race, Ethnicity or Culture?

Originally posted by Rockpuck
HAHA yeah, I have two sterling silver teeth, but that was after years of hockey, not choice. It is Hip-Hop, I have seen whites wear them which looks absolutly hilarious by the way, looks much better on the African Americans.

Our cultural fabs come up with some interesting fashion statements thats all I can say..

That's because gold usually looks better on dark skin, especially red tone earth colors. Gold tends to make most white people look washed out.

Originally posted by thesaneone
Hey all, well ill start with im italian the p's came here in their late teen's 32 years later their english is just as bad (not that bad) i speak very little italian grew up in the city of chicago moved to the burbs at 12, anyway my question is why does every body with a sliver of italian in them think that they are tony soprano, come on guys your giving us true italians a real bad name.
good one ceci

It's the recogniseability factor: "I'm not just some white, I'm Italian."

My dominant background is French and Scottish. I'm recognised by both.

You've never been a blues fan, have you? One hour alone will change your mind.

Music Major Alert: I have an opinion, and this comes from experience and learning.

The best musicians are both very intelligent and extremely in touch with their emotions. Idiots usually make horrible music...as is a man who is limited by what he reads on the page of music limits the music to the point of no emotion. We can tell whe someone is not feeling the music, and it sucks, no matter the race. We can tell when someone's not capable of keeping up, too, and that sucks as much as the non-emotional performance.

For improvisation, you have to have a fast mind, fast hands/voice, and an ability to make a mistake look good. (In this case sound good.) White people did imprivisation in ther music, too. Look at all the large music scores at the part that was once the Harpsichord, in, oh, Bach and Handel's time. Almost all those scores, the harpsichord part was left blank, and were written in much later. It was all improvisation around the rest of the written score. The diffrence between Blues improv and the harpsichord improv is mainly in the types of chords used. (OMG, whites used improv??? they must be primitive too... :lol There are so few diffrences in race that even effect music.

Plus, only someone who can't do music would want to write it off as a lacking-intelligence issue. There's enough evidence out there to hint that intelligence and music are on the same level. ESPECIALLY ON THE CREATIONAL LEVEL. Music isn't an accident. It can be a decision about an accidental find, but you still have to decide some things.

In highschool, I went to college to be in the Gospel Choir (Im so white it ain't funny), I couldn't clap and sing at the same time, at the begining of the first semester, but I got over it. I got decent enough to have a solo. I botched it, at first, in practice becuase I don't sing that style of music, until someone got me a copy of the song on tape, so I could get a feel for it. After that, I made it my own. It wasn't jsut a cultural clash, it was an issue of having to sing a diffrent part than I was used to (Tenor/Alto in highschool, and Soprano I in the college course). To this day, I still find Gospel solo music a challenge because the jumps are so unnatural to classical music that I have to fight agianst training to do it. It's like trying to make a daisy an orchid, and it's taxing. I have to think and feel diffrently than I did before.


There is one huge diffrence between a white singer and a black singer:
The black singer, if typical of their "race", has more resonating space than the white singer, if, again, typical:
What's resonating space? Nasal cavities, throat space, lungs, etc....each adds a revibration of it's own to add to the one note being stressed by the vocal chords. More space=fuller tone. It often means a lower voice, as well. It is harder for a white person to sound rich, full. It's why I'd generally rather listen to a black soprano than a white one. Since they have the richer tone, it's harder for a black woman to sound piercing.

I wonder if a black woman has ever broken glass with her vocie? It's in part, the overtones that do it, and there is a physical diffrence.

[edit on 15-9-2006 by jlc163]

Originally posted by jsobecky
Riley, you have got to make an effort to post more often. Your posts are a delight to read - you are so cheerful and optimistic!

Thankyou Jsobecky. I'm not usually encouraged to expressed my nicer traits. I'll try do it more often.. within reason.

Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
On the other hand, a question such as Where did Blues music come from? might fit here. Blues (as I understand it) is an evolution of Black Gospel music, which grew out of what was then called Negro Spiritual music, which began as a mechanism used by slaves in America to maintain some degree of sanity in an insane situation.

For the fun of it:
Music Major Alert II:
The Blues did not grow in a bubble where only Blacks exist.
Look at early blues and big band swing. They are very similar, and you can't always tell what parts came first.
Also look at "modern", 21st century composers (after the impressionistic era). Most blues chords were explored by many of them before they became traditional blues chords.
More notes on non-black blues and confusion of color ownership in music

Originally posted by ceci2006
Well good. That's settled. Now we can get back to learning about the Aboriginal tribes and the Maoris in their respective lands.

Geez, I didn't realize we were stifling your research.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
OOoo oo I have another one.

This one is to those whities out there. I can't answer it my self so il ask some of you all for an answer..

Why is it out of all the kids of all the races and it doesn't matter what the income, where the city is, what the social ranking is.. why are white kids so damn messed up?? They are friggin wierd, some of them have more mental issues, more sensitivities then what a full grown adult would experience in their entire life time.

Is it a culture of feel sorry for your self, the whole world is out to get me attitude, some of the kids that come on here claiming to be the antichrist or to be aliens, you can tell they are messed up white kids.

Any clue?

In a whole lot of these cases, they are just spoiled brats. It's not entirely their fault, tho; the parents feel "guilty" about not spending enough time with them. And in some cases, the kids have had it pounded into their heads that they are oh so smart so much that they finally rebel in some way. Parents trying to overcompensate.

That and parents relying on too many books and experts instead of giving the kids what they really want and need - boundaries and discipline.

Originally posted by dgtempe
I want to talk about being loud. that's right...loud.

Its always been the case that people think Hispanics are loud and all talk at the same time. That is a myth.
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So, if anyone thinks that latins are loud, remember that it is the language itself and not a bunch of people screaming (although that happens too).

I think you should do one of those podcast things so we can test your theory.

One more thing- I still havent figured out why the Vietnamese do not need to breath to talk and they talk nonstop...can anyone explain this to me?

That's because they only need to take small breaths and you don't notice them breathing.

And why do latins pronounce job "yob"? When I lived in Miami, there was a junkyard that actually had "Yunk Yard" on it's sign.

Originally posted by jlc163

Since they have the richer tone, it's harder for a black woman to sound piercing.

I wonder if a black woman has ever broken glass with her vocie? It's in part, the overtones that do it, and there is a physical diffrence.

Ella Fitzgerald did it on a Memorex commercial. Remember those? "Is it live or is it Memorex?"

In a way. They can go either way. They can be an in for learning and discourse or they can mutate into a horrible chimera. Maybe we could develop quadrotypes.

But, the talk seems to be about Aussie's, i'm an Australian and this is slug fest, so here goes.

Pretty much everyone's said complimentary things, that's grouse, thanks.
I hope I don't change that.

As to Oz history, the Brits needed somewhere to put their convicts, as one of their pesky colonies(America) had recently "arc'd up", as we say here. In 1788 the first fleet landed, with what remained of their cargo of prisoner's. The male's and females were on seperate ship's. The people on the shore thought their dead brother's and sister's had arrived. On the first night of landing, their was a fierce storm, a lot of tent's blew down, the women were raped, etc. We call that day, australia Day.

We used rum as a currency for a while in those early days under a bloke by the name of, Bligh I believe. It pretty much went on like that (i'm painting with a very broad brush here) until gold was discovered.

As to the issue's and awareness of indigineous Australians, can I just ask anyone reading this who doesn't live in Oz, can you name one "aboriginal" tribe? You see, the term, aboriginal, is a generic term used to describe any indigineous people. We never even allowed their names to be used. They were considered part of the flora and fauna up until the 1960's. west australia had quota's, up until the 1930's.
People around the world, how may native American tribes, African tribes, eskimo tribes can you name? Now, how many Australian? Were you aware they are called Koori's in some parts an mulla's (I think?) in other parts? See, even I'm unaware.
Petrol sniffing, domestic and sexual abuse is rife in some aboriginal settlements and country towns. It ain't good.

On, a completely different tangent, wasn't the blues kinda, like the morse code for the underground railway and the slaves in the fields?

Good job Ceci for starting this, it's thorny, but it's juicy..

Of course, naysayers will say Ella's voice didn't do it - the sound was actually amplified. I still say she had a great voice regardless.

by Katolu
Anyway, as far as Aussies go, what's not to like about 'em? 1)They have Aussie Rules Football which knocks Fake-Injury-Turf-Diving into a cocked hat.

An AFL fan!!! Where abouts you from mate? do you get to see AFL where you are? BOTH of the WA teams are through to the preliminary finals now, if things go the right way we could have the very first WA TEAM GRAND FINAL ON OUR HANDS!!!!!

Now for my question: To what extent were the Aboriginal tribes displaced as the country grew?

The Aboriginal tribes (Yamatji etc) were nomadic, but generally stuck to certain "state" ares. Ill find some more information for you to read up on and pm it you.

Originally quoted by jsobecky

Geez, I didn't realize we were stifling your research.

And geez, that sounds like another personal attack.

How sad it is that some slip under Majic's radar?

Thanks for the info, fingapointa. That is what I wanted to know. Although, I wanted to know just a little bit more. If anyone could add more to what fingapointa said.

And oh yes, Ella had a perfect voice. But so did Sarah Vaughn, Billie Holiday, Etta James and Dinah Washington. They sung with soul and spirituality. I don't care if they the correct pitch to break a glass. Their voices resonated with the sweetness and heavenly tones that made their music fully wonderful to listen to.


Edit: Did not see fingapointa's response. Changed comments.


[edit on 15-9-2006 by ceci2006]

Ceci, that's not a personal attack. A personal attack is when you call somebody a specific derogatory name (such as an idiot or a jerk) or when you directly insult a person, saying that they're stupid, their mom wears Army boots or some other personal insult.

What jsobecky has employed is called sarcasm. There's nothing in the T&C against using sarcasm, even if you do find yourself insulted by it.

There are no guarantees against being insulted, just rules against personal attacks.

No, it was a personal attack. And I'm sorry, you will have to leave it to the mods now. It is not your place to say whether it was or not.

But it was right for you to defend him. He gave you a WATS after all. Loyalty always runs deep. And I can understand your loyalty to him.

Now, it is definitely time to get back to the topic. It's cooking now. And I thank you all from the bottom of my heart for saying that this is a good topic.









[edit on 15-9-2006 by ceci2006]

Originally posted by ceci2006
And I can understand your loyalty to him.

Apparently not, if you think I have some kind of 'loyalty' to him because he gave me a WATS. My loyalty cannot be bought with a WATS.

In fact, I have no particular layalty to jsobecky. I just know the difference between a personal insult and sarcasm.

What I don't understand is this: the places where the differing ethnics come from cannot be made civil or prosperous for some reason that I don't understand. But they come here to live better and when here I have to adapt to make them happy? I don't get this? Something is wrong here.

Originally posted by ceci2006
No, it was a personal attack. And I'm sorry, you will have to leave it to the mods now. It is not your place to say whether it was or not.

Sorry, you saying it's so doesn't make it true. You feign hurt just to have something to complain about. Sling enough mud at the wall, and hope that some of it sticks.

But it was right for you to defend him. He gave you a WATS after all. Loyalty always runs deep. And I can understand your loyalty to him.

It's very odd, the things you notice and remember. Like keeping a tally of who gives who a WATS. Very bizarre, imo.

I gave her a WATS because I wanted to. I don't have to explain to her, to you, or to anyone else why I did it. You're very rude by saying something like that. Always trying to incite an argument. Please go away and leave me out of your games.

Jsobecky,

Getting back to the spanish thing....YOB....Maybe its because the "J" sound is an "H" sound in Spanish...so litteraly, yob would be it.

I wasnt referring to sounds i was referring to loudness or perception of loudness to begin with.

I've heard English/American people speak Spanish and its hillarious!!! Its one of those things that people litteraly roll on the floor and laugh their arses off....
So, dont laugh too hard.

No biggie anyway.

But, BH and jsobecky, yes it is a personal attack. You are not a mod. You are not a judge. You are not appealing to a jury.

I will wait for a decision from a mod.

And because you, BH, are fighting very hard in his case, apparently, yes, loyalty can be bought with a WATS.

Now stop derailing the thread. And leave it be with its original question.





[edit on 15-9-2006 by ceci2006]

Originally posted by ceci2006
You are not a mod.

I used to be.

I will wait for a decision from a mod.

I think you've already got it.

Nope. Sorry, but I want an actual mod. Unfortunately, in this case, your word is not good enough. You just don't have the merits to debate this case because you are biased and not in a position of authority.

Until a mod comes, there is nothing any of us can say. Now, it is best to get back to the topic.



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