Are there any flat earth theorists here?

Wouldn't a real conspiracy theorist question photographs of a spherical Earth as questionable at best? There are people who question the Moon landing and they can provide all manner of proof to show that man never landed on the moon. Using these very same proofs, can we really accept any photo, supposedly taken from space of the Earth, as being anything but the seeds of a global, 'er' I mean, one dimensional conspiracy?

Originally posted by malganis
Haha yeah I was just about to say, Google Earth is all the proof I need!

I think if there were any flat earth theorists on here they've probably been de-bunked and humiliated so much by now that they've given up on it or not come back to ATS. That's just the way things go with extreme theories.

What are you saying? There are plenty of Hollow earth theorists on ATS, such as my self, they just havent come out of the woodwork to flame you yet, lol

Uh, we're not talking HOLLOW earth. We're talking FLAT earth. As in, you sail too far west you fall off the edge of the earth.

In this day and age of satellites and space shuttles, i am shocked that *anyone* could still be under the impression the earth is flat.

We've got mounds of photographic evidence, not to mention the sort of evidence even the common man or woman can see with their own two eyes (such as the moon, the sun, eclipses).

We haven't even touched on Magellan and his crew's voyage around the globe!

Long story short - imo only a fool would still hold onto such an old theory.

Well! What a response from ATS members for a theory that is undisputably the most absurd subject matter posted for debate. This nonsense is on a par with the crackpot 'reptilian' theories that rise into well subscribed discussions. Neither have any substance and both are the refuge of the, joined at the hip, empty head society.
Planet earth certainly does not conform to the flat earth societys perspective of a sphere in the void of space but those who believe definitley have a void and it is inside ther cranium.

Simple empirical observations and anyone and everyone with an inqusitive logical mind can only conclude that the earth, the planets, the stars all form and shape themselves into spheres - an obvious and quite unavoidable result of natural physical forces.

The last few decades worth of astronomical, photographic, aerial evidence just continue to reinforce this conclusion.

Please, if anyone can come up with a single, solitary, shred of evidence of any type that disputes this, I, for one (among many here at ATS) would be very interested in seeing it...

"Are there any flatearth theorists here"

Oh Dude I hope not. Seriously how can someone actually believe that who isn't a bushman totally isolated from the rest of human kinds technological creations like books, or talking to anyone else outside the village who might actually be able to confirm tha the earth is round.

You know what I find funny about this subject is that in 1994 the leader of saudi arabia stated that the earth was flat because the koran said so and that anybody who believes it isn't is blasphemous and should be put to death. This was in response to a saudi man who got to be an astronaut that year and commented publicly that the earth was indeed a sphere.

The irony is that is that the first experiment to proove the earth was round happened eons ago in saudi arabia by pletolmy(sp.) and his experiment with the shadows of two towers that were seperated by several miles. The shadows demonstrated earths curvature.

Besides why fight over the earth being flat or round it's stupid. It's just a shape. If you thought that the earth was flat and then found out that it was a ball, whats the big deal. I just recently found out that the giant squid isn't the largest heaviest meanest squid around. Did I fight over it, no I acepted it. Why can't people just admit that they were wrong.

Has anyone here actually bothered to visit the Flat Earth Society's website?

Hey grady i think that site is meant as a joke.

Look how cheap it is and if you read a little you notice how this is just a parody.

Ya think?

en.wikipedia.org...

Google Search

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
Supposedly, there are people out there who believe the Earth is flat. I was wondering if one of them might happen to be here. It would be interesting to see what their take on the world is.

i say it's flat because of what science has been finding concerning quantum physics, as well as our current understanding of how the brain actually functions.

science as i understand it is saying that matter is not matter at all.

if i were to shrink you down to the size of an atom and ask you to reach out and touch an electron, a proton, or a neutron, you would not be able to.

(in fact you have never touched anything in your entire life)

at any rate, electrons, protons, and neutrons are not matter. you would not be able to grasp or hold it. they are all nothing but condensed fluctuating energy or light.

light? yes, light.

so, i ask you:

What is the only force known to humanity that has the gravitational pull to pull light together to appear as though it is matter?

that is right, a black hole.

so if all humanity percieves matter as matter, when it is only condensed light . ...

and condensed light can only be condensed in a black hole . ..

then, yes. the world is VERY flat, since we are in or near the event horizon of a black hole.

need more scientific supporting evidence?

Why are 89 galaxies heading away from a point in space where they all were billions of years ago, and the Milky Way and our neighboring 6 other galaxies are heading in a direction, and from a direction that is inconsistant with the big bang, when all other observed galaxies seem to be moving in a pattern consistant with the big bang?

answer: Well, what has enough gravitational pull to make 7 galaxies deviate their course? A very very very large black hole.

my source information? Discover magazine, September (i believe) issue of 1995. The cover story was: "Crisis in the Cosmos".

It seems that after the mirror imagery problem was corrected on the hubble telescope, the worlds top scientists tried to validate and evaluate the timetable for the "big bang".

they looked at 96 galaxies.

all but 7 (one being ours) were moving away from a central point, while we were moving in a direction inconsistant with the other 89 galaxies. We are moving towards the Belt of the constilation Orion.

Curious???

If the only way we could possibly know this is from having the proper technology (hubble telescope) OUTSIDE of Earth's atmospere, then how did the ancient Egyptians know it????

Well, what did they know? they thought the world was flat, too.

and what does any one human know?

Science says all sensory input from all our senses first gets delivered to the subconscious part of the mind, not the conscious part of the mind.

and how many sparks of electricity are shared between brain cells (comprising a thought)?

consciously = 2,000 bits of information (electrical impulse between synapses) per second in the conscious part of the mind.

Subconsciously? 400,000,000,000 bits of information per second.

how aware are people of their own thoughts?

0.000000002%

and they are telling me the world is round?

they can't even define what comprises their own opinions.

if they aren't even aware of 99.999999998% of their own brain's activities, then how can they truly be aware of reality, when they are ignoring 99.999999998% of it?

that is why i will say that the world is flat, but our conscious mind is incapable of processing that reality.

The flat-earth site Grady links to offers no credible argument (IMHO) and certainly no evidence to support the calim that the earth is flat. In fact some of the arguments are so ludicrous (e.g., "ether" prevention of orbit dynamics", objects should fall ("slide") off the earth like grains of sand on a beach ball, etc.) that all one can do is shake their head in disbelief.

Where are the credentialed scientists, researchers from accredited universities, rsults from measurements from mass spectrometers/remotes sensors/satellites/ANYTHING that would lend even an infintessimal speck of scientific validity to these arguments?

The answer is there is nothing there because the arguments are false, impossible to demonstrate (much less 'prove'), and there isn't a single recognized scientist on the planet that would validate such absurdity.

Here on ATS we, collectively, have an open. inquisitive mind. We WANT to believe - we are here seeking answers - seeking the truth. We are hungry for evidence, painfully aware that ridicule is amongst us even as we search for viable explanations to the myriad bona fide questions that are asked here every day.

With all due respect - pointing us to a bogus web site that really only convinces us even more fully of the folly in the premise does nothing to support you. Again - I ask you - BEG you: show us something, ANYTHING that would encourage us to engage in this debate further. Do you have photographs? How about a witness - perhaps a sailor (who, unlike the millions of nautical explorers of the world, actually fell 'off the edge' and lived to tell about it), maybe even a credentialled scientist that has published something ANYTHING in a peer-reviewed scientific journal from ANY COUNTRY, ANY UNIVERSITY, ANYWHERE that offers some scientific results that others can replicate (the most common 'test' of validity).

Unlike the interesting UFO discussions - even many of the other paranormal topics on ATS - Flat Earth has already been disproven. Starting with Erastothenes (and probably much earlier) through Copernicus, Magellan, Kepler, Gallileo, and many, many others since - the mathematical and more recently overwhelming PHYSICAL EVIDENCE is indisputable. Again- where are YOUR scientific research results to counter these fine minds - and countless others since? Where is YOUR physical evidence?

What - are you just going to point su back to another poorly conceived, poorly written slab of text on some web site? That's it? That's all you've got? Might I suggest then that perhaps you just create a MySpace site or something to expouse on your "theories" - you'll probably find a more receptive audience. Maybe you can start a separate Flat Earth club or something. I'm serious - not being demeaning in any way. I just don't want you to feel dissapointed and perhaps you can find another avenue to communicate with others that share your beliefs - of hich I am certain there are quite a few.

In any case - best of luck to you - I wish you the best (truly!). And by ALL MEANS, please come back with some evidence or something for us to intelligently ponder and consider - we WANT to see it!

Warm Regards...

Outrageo

Are you directing this philippic at me?

[edit on 2006/10/14 by GradyPhilpott]

No, I don't believe in it. The earth has to be a globe, it makes the most since.
I can't believe your user name, wow.

Anyway, have a good weekend.

Originally posted by anglosaxonThis nonsense is on a par with the crackpot 'reptilian' theories that rise into well subscribed discussions. Neither have any substance and both are the refuge of the, joined at the hip, empty head society.

If a person believs aliens exist (if you dont, then this post probably wont help clarify the potential credibility or possiblity of their opinion any further)

Saying you were to believe in the possiblity of aliens.
Who is to say what they look like, what they can do. (i.e. shape shift...heck with nano technology we will be shape shifting in the future. Seriously, credible sources have stated mice can regrow body parts, which was thought only in the lizard family...point is you dont know everthing so how can you make a definitive statment on this subject of lizard people?)

If an alien race were to come, why would they have to tell us, and why would they hide you might ask? Who knows..."there ways are not our ways"

But there you go...if you belive in aliens (even if you dont) there is no proof against them.
Life throws cuve balls...just like people said the earth was flat, just to realize it was round.
Dont follow the pattern of what is offered, but be open to the possiblities...if you want.

People believe in wierder things, like a God, and Jesus living in everyones heart, etc., but people accept them, maybe its time to accept everyone.

Peace

Dalen

Esoteric Teacher.
I'm glad that ONE person on ATS is on par with me.


You bring up some good points, but if you REALLY wanted to get into quantum physics and quantum mechanics, you would realise this:
The earth is not a sphere.
The universe is not a sphere.
The earth is not flat.
The universe is not flat.
The universe is certainly not Football Shaped!
Bot the Earth and the universe are in a 'shape' that can only be described as infinite mesh.

You mean there are actually people out there who believe the earth is flat... and DEFEND their opinion?

Wow... isnt there a clinical name for someone who refuses to believe proof, and substitutes their own reality?

I mean how much proof can one person recieve and still think they have an explanation against it? If the earth wasnt spherical (with a slight bit of M&M squish to it), there wouldnt be GPS sattelites.
There wouldnt be sattelites period.
Eclipses wouldnt be the same.
The rest of the planets would probably folllow the same shape,
You wouldnt be able to traverse the earth all the way around.
There would be no explanation as to how the equator is warmer than the poles,
the moon wouldnt orbit the earth in a circular pattern
gravity simply wouldnt function correctly. If you got near the edge of the earth, you'd be pulled back to the middle.
The atmosphere would be gathered in the middle of the flat earth due to gravity, so going near the edge would lead to suffication. The same effect would be seen with water.
Magma wouldnt cause volcanoes, as the magma would merely seep out the flip side of the planet, and there wouldnt be enough pressure on the magma to cause it to push through cracks in the tectonic plates.

lets see... how many others... too many...

Originally posted by johnsky
You mean there are actually people out there who believe the earth is flat... and DEFEND their opinion?

Wow... isnt there a clinical name for someone who refuses to believe proof, and substitutes their own reality?

yep. they are usually called insane by people who are not utillizing their brains full potential.

the word insane means to be within one's own mind.

since someone would call me insane, that means they have to witness the proof that i am residing within my own mind.

and for them to effectivley proove that i am in my own mind, they would have to go into my own mind to witness that i reside in my mind.

now, if they are in my mind to witness that i am in my mind, aren't they OUT OF THEIR MIND????????

why should i permit myself or anyone else being labelled as "insane" when the only way a person can make such a prognosis is by being out of their minds?

I mean how much proof can one person recieve and still think they have an explanation against it?

Wow... isnt there a clinical name for someone who refuses to believe proof, and substitutes their own reality?

by your own words they would have to be out of their minds in order to accept the proof provided by people who do not know their own minds well enough to reside in their own minds, and instead dwell out of their minds.

If the earth wasnt spherical (with a slight bit of M&M squish to it), there wouldnt be GPS sattelites.

and if neutrons, electrons, and protons were not squished light and squished energy then they neutrons, electrons, and protons would be matter.

but, if they are not matter, which they are not, then why do you percieve matter to be what it is not? Why? Because you dwell outside your own mind, and have never known nor collaborated with, nor controlled your own thoughts.

There wouldnt be sattelites period.
Eclipses wouldnt be the same.
The rest of the planets would probably folllow the same shape,
You wouldnt be able to traverse the earth all the way around.
There would be no explanation as to how the equator is warmer than the poles,
the moon wouldnt orbit the earth in a circular pattern
gravity simply wouldnt function correctly. If you got near the edge of the earth, you'd be pulled back to the middle.
The atmosphere would be gathered in the middle of the flat earth due to gravity, so going near the edge would lead to suffication. The same effect would be seen with water.
Magma wouldnt cause volcanoes, as the magma would merely seep out the flip side of the planet, and there wouldnt be enough pressure on the magma to cause it to push through cracks in the tectonic plates.

and because your conscious mind allows you to percieve 0.000000002% of reality, you base all your conclusions on 0.000000002% of the reality you are capable of integrating?


[edit on 15-10-2006 by Esoteric Teacher]

Originally posted by Outrageo

Unlike the interesting UFO discussions - even many of the other paranormal topics on ATS - Flat Earth has already been disproven. Starting with Erastothenes (and probably much earlier) through Copernicus, Magellan, Kepler, Gallileo, and many, many others since - the mathematical and more recently overwhelming PHYSICAL EVIDENCE is indisputable. Again- where are YOUR scientific research results to counter these fine minds - and countless others since? Where is YOUR physical evidence?

you have no physical evidence. everything you percieve as "matter" is what you think is physical evidence? all physical matter is made up of neutrons, protons, and electrons, none of which are physical matter!!!!!!! It is all compressed energy and compressed light, not matter, not physical at all. in fact you have never touched anything in your life. it is only a magnetic field of the atom that repells atoms from atoms.

So: Where is your overwhelming PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that is indisputable now? there is no physical matter, hence you have no evidence at all.

Again- where are YOUR scientific research results to counter these fine minds - and countless others since? Where is YOUR physical evidence?

my words are not in conflict with any of the brightest minds throughout all space and all time, to include Einstein and Hawkings, and a slew of others as well. Perhaps you can disprove all scientists in the realm of quantum physics???

Warm Regards...

Ya, ditto.

[edit on 15-10-2006 by Esoteric Teacher]

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
Are there any flat earth theorists here?

Supposedly, there are people out there who believe the Earth is flat. I was wondering if one of them might happen to be here. It would be interesting to see what their take on the world is.

I was invited to debate a side of an arguement that in the first 3 pages no one has effectively done.

the author of this thread requested a simple thing:

Are there any flat earth theorists here? It would be interesting to see what their take on the world is.

Every contributor in the first 3 pages failed to do what the author requested. Instead they just state as intelligently as they are capable the popular opinion.

boy, am i glad the fears of others do not define my intentions.

boy, am i glad the fears of others do not define my actions.

boy, am i glad the fears of others do not define my behaviors.

boy, am i glad the fears of others do not define me.

I've made an earnest attempt to debate that the earth is flat, which is what the author requested of all of you who failed to do so.

if i stand alone, fine.

i wasn't asked to debate what i believe.

i was asked to debate the theory that the Earth is flat.

And i think i am doing the best job i can to oblige what the author has requested the ATS/BTS/ and PTS members to do.

a lot better than holding up a picture of the globe from google earth, and saying:
"see, i can't do what you ask because the world is round".

that is cop out.
that is giving up.
that is not providing the author of this thread with what they requested.

that is you emposing your will upon a shared reality, and too easily dismissing certain truths that do not neccesarily dismiss the possibility that the earth may be flat, but being perceived by minds that comprehend 3 or more dimensions.

what happens to an observer who is capable of comprehending four dimensions (to include time) who goes through a black hole or singularity???

oh, you think death is real???

show me one thing, just one thing that you can apply enough pressure that results in the thing ceasing to exist?

I see it may change forms. it may explode, turn to particles, turn to smoke, turn to fire, turn to light, .... . . . .

i have yet to witness anything that can cease to exist by applying any amount of pressure to it. it merely changes forms.

so, since physical matter is neither physical, nor is it matter, then what we can witness concerning "physical matter", perhaps also applies to the consciousnesses, to self awareness, to living intelligence as well????

Perhaps very few others would pat me on the back, but at least i actually addressed the issue the initial poster had requested of us.

thanks,
john