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Originally posted by Springer
I have to ask, have you seen the movie yet or even the trailer? That's a pretty strange opinion to have of this movie mate.
While I fully support you sharing this opinion, I am really curious if you have looked at any bits of the film at all.
Your assessment is curious based on what I've seen in this documentary.
Springer...
Originally posted by intrepid
Maybe if you had posted your thoughts in the existing thread, instead of starting a new one, it wouldn't have been closed.
Originally posted by sleeper
Springer,
I have not seen the movie, trailer or any part of it; I base my assessment on what I have read on this and the other thread.
Nevertheless I only gave my opinion because I know the facts and the distortions that came after the war because I was there when some of the facts happened.
sleeper
Originally posted by Stormrider
I also find it ironic that those who profess a differing view of a film about Viet Nam than the film maker are deemed off-topic,
not to mention the contention that because the "Thee Amigos" own the site that they are not bound by the t&c's.
The "Winter Soldier Investigation" was a media event intended to publicize war crimes and atrocities by the United States Armed Forces and their allies in the Vietnam War, while showing their direct relationship to military leadership and the foreign and "anti-Communist" policies of the Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon Presidential administrations. The three-day gathering of 109 veterans and 16 civilians in Detroit, Michigan, from January 31-February 2, 1971, was organized by the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). Honorably discharged soldiers, as well as retired civilian contractors and medical personnel, all gave testimony about war crimes they had committed or witnessed during the years of 1963-1970.
While the event was largely unmentioned by most mainstream media channels, a reasonably large number of journalists and film crews recorded the event, and a transcript[1] was later entered into the Congressional Record. Organizers described the event as "anti-war," not in the sense of opposing all wars (compare pacifism) or as a statement against the internal conflict between the 'North' and 'South' political entities, but as strictly in the sense of opposing America's involvement and escalation of the internal conflicts in Southeast Asia.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
For those interested in learning more about some of the forgotten details of conspiracies, cover-ups, and related goings-on of the era, here's a tidbit:
The Winter Soldier (Wikipedia)
While the event was largely unmentioned by most mainstream media channels, a reasonably large number of journalists and film crews recorded the event, and a transcript[1] was later entered into the Congressional Record. Organizers described the event as "anti-war," not in the sense of opposing all wars (compare pacifism) or as a statement against the internal conflict between the 'North' and 'South' political entities, but as strictly in the sense of opposing America's involvement and escalation of the internal conflicts in Southeast Asia.
Originally posted by sleeper
My thread was not about opinion or belief I was stationed in Okinawa for sixteen months, I was there in the thick of it, so I thought it should have its own thread---I have since changed my mind.
The military parceled out sections of the island that were for entertainment---night clubs, one area for white soldiers another for blacks and Hispanics.
I understand that this is an inflammatory subject because of its racial content and so I don't push it, also it brings back memories I don’t really want to dredge up. But the movie No Sir is only covering up the facts---I believe, and creating a whole new scenario strictly for political mileage for the up coming presidential elections.
In Okinawa, lots of solders were put in the brig because of violence against other solders and superiors, and the unbelievable amount of drug use that was going on in broad daylight in every barracks.
Eventually the military cracked down on the drug use and lack of discipline, discharging hundreds if not thousands with bad conduct discharges, and sending some to the military penitentiary at fort Leavenworth, Kansas.
When I left the army in 1973, I expected to read about the disciplinary meltdown and divided rank and file which was serious to the point that it may have affected the outcome of the Vietnam War, but found nothing in the papers or the evening news.