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Originally posted by StellarX
In operation since the early 60's in it's basic form according to some sources... Used to sink Tresher ( and almost the other submarine that was near surface at the time) back in 1963 shortly after Cuban 'missile crisis'; Russians tried to employ their new weapons for strategic advantage too soon and quick US reaction caught them with their pants mostly down.
Originally posted by StellarX
Actually few American military networks and systems is hardened to any degree and basically no civilian infrastructure. Russia has been hardening it's infrastructure against such weapons since they first noticed the effect.
Originally posted by StellarX
One high altitude blast from the SS-18 ( NATO 'SATAN'; interestingly) will turn North America into a pre-industrial society within mere seconds.
Originally posted by StellarX
Iraq? Afghanistan? Has it not become abundantly clear that you do not win wars against insurgencies ( especially those supported from outside by strong foreign powers) by destroying a country? It's quite evident that the Russians got more than they expected in Chechnya but is that not true for the USA in Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Vietnam? I'm sorry but your line of reasoning weakens your assumed reality of the US as super power and at best put it on the same dysfunctional level as Russia If that is where you want to go that's fine with me.
Stellar
Originally posted by sbob
You take the side Russia is all great....Like the political assainations going on right now in killing reporters. And 25 million people starving to death is ok.
However, historian Robert Conquest and other Westerners claim that the USSR was bound for industrialization, and that its speed along this course was not necessarily improved by Bolshevik influence. It has also been argued that Stalin was partially responsible for the initial military disasters and enormous human causalities during WWII, because Stalin eliminated many military officers during the purges, and especially the most senior ones, and rejected the massive amounts of intelligence warning of the German attack
Originally posted by Alex Dude
Europe is tolerating the US only because the US helped them in the past. But their tolerance with run-out one day if America continues with wars on the main continent.
Originally posted by pavil
What is exactly the "main continent" ?
Originally posted by pavil
I am so glad Europe barely "tolerates" one of their best mutual friends in the world. You make it sound as if the US heads the "Warsaw Pact" of the West. Talk about arrogance.
Originally posted by Seekerof
I see you failed to mention the most disasterous Russian outing to date: Afghanistan? As such, the Russians lost how many men there in relations to the US in Iraq and Afghanistan combined?
Russians have not continued the process and those systems that had been hardened are now deteriorating due to lack of upgrading, maintenance, funds, etc. The same thing is and has been occurring within the Russian military--all branches.
Once you answer that, consider that it will also only take one US EMP/nuclear device and detonation to put "Russia" back into the Stone Age, oopps, I mean "pre-industrial society" that most parts of Russia is still attempting to progress out of.
You are also aware that over half of the Russian populace, if not more, does not have indoor bathrooms or indoor plumbing, running water, telephones, computers, TVs, etc? Would that be considered "pre-industrial," as well?
I see you failed to mention the most disasterous Russian outing to date: Afghanistan?
As such, the Russians lost how many men there in relations to the US in Iraq and Afghanistan combined?
The only comparison is this: Russia's Afghanistan was America's Vietnam.
the US minded its own business & isolated itself from most of the world until............that day JAPAN bombed Pearl Harbor..America's isolationist policies changed after that!!!!
Originally posted by kvnkreed
By the way ALEX DUDE...the US minded its own business & isolated itself from most of the world until...........that day JAPAN bombed Pearl Harbor..America's isolationist policies changed after that!!!!
Originally posted by ludaChris
There is more than one way to go about fighting a war, theres no right or wrong way to do it. Its a matter of trial and error really, you learn from your mistakes, adjust your tactics and strategy accordingly
No, the US military is set up to fight any where in the world against anyone. I'm not saying we could, but thats the way our forces are set up on paper. Read this about American Defense Policy. It tells you how US Warmaking Policy changes with current global situations as well as how we shift back and forth from doctrine based on percieved threats to those based on percieved capability.
I'm sure Russia's policy too has shifted with the global events and happenings, read my link then compare it to Russian Policy and Doctrine which can also be found on Global Security. But most of all, the future of US Defense Policy is "deterence" for anyone thinking of challenging US military dominance in this world.
US Defense Policy
Yeah, my fingers can run away from me as well, its easy to get into a groove when typing on subjects such as this with so much information out there. I appreciate the complement on my commentary. Thanks.
Originally posted by sbob
Dude stop bashing the American military.
You state what has the USA done with "talk the Talk"
Well we defended Korea from Russian and Chinese started war.
Look at what China and Russia supported....North Korea.....Oh yeah that is talk the talk from Russia.
The US supported South Korea. The right choice.
The US is not perfect either, and you deny Russia enslaving Eastern Europe for fifty years. The US rebuilt Western Europe.
The USA had the atomic bomb before Russia. The USA could have flattened russia, but didn't. If russia for the atom bomb first. Look in a mirror and honestly ask yourself what do you think that would have been like.
My opinion russia would have tried to enslave the world with there disfunctional police state.
Russia has a great miltary, but to say the USA been declining from the 1970's is quite lacking in sensibility.
Lets see we have this thing called the Internet...That you are using right now. One of the greatest inventions. Who invented it....The American military and US colleges in the late sixties and seventies.
Yep, that is American tecnology you are using right now. I bet it hurts you to not think the declining Americans did that.
You are proud of your country, but don't bring my country down in the process.
Because by linking stories. I can shoot back the 25 million people in the Soviet Union killed by Stalin.
That shows me a citizenry that can't think for itself and get rid of the mass murderer. 25 million people. (farm famines caused from policies, and even selling the food to overseas while citizens died.) and secret police dissappearances.
I think it is crazy how proud you are Russia has all this work done on winning a nuclear war.
I think you should be able to defend yourself, but to talk about winning a nuclear war with a couple billion dead is quite frightening and non human.