Norinko

Originally posted by antar
We send them the steel and they send you a Norinko! Congratualtions! I suppose you stand by the walmart products and merchandise too?

I love WalMart, although some of the clothing and shoe selections have begun to suffer.

Mostly, WalMart sells the same stuff everyone else sells for less money. What could be wrong with that?

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
A lot of people don't realize that you either have a super accurate 1911 or you have a reliable 1911.

Yes, those countless thousands of IPSC and IDPA shooters who use 1911s to win countless competitions need to know that, as does Marine Force Recon, Los Angeles SWAT, the FBI Hostage Rescue Team, 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment - Delta (Delta Force) etc etc etc

They all need to know that the 1911s they chose over every other make of pistol in the World are either inaccurate or unreliable.

That's quite the silliest thing I've read in a while

Well, it might seem silly to you, but you obviously don't know anything about firearms.

Do any reading about any of those competitive shooters and you will find that their 1911s cost thousands and they've got a bucket of tricks to employ in competition to keep the things from jamming that would never work in real life scenarios.

In most, if not all of the groups you cite, you're not talking about the M1911-A1, but one of the many highly customized clones that exist in the shooting world.

I'm talking about the standard issue .45s that served American troops for most of the 20th Century.

And four-inch groups at 25 yards is more than acceptable accuracy from any firearm used for self defense where reliability do you a lot more good than one-inch groups.

Just remember that most self-defense encounters occur within seven yards.

Here's a nice little anecdote to illustrate my point:

forums.1911forum.com...

I have to go along with Grady PHillpot here.

For a defensive tool reliability is very very important. It is thus with my 12 gauge Ithica model 37 shotgun. Reliability first. This is a shotgun proven by numerous police departments for many years. Simple pump operation too. This is precisely why I made this purchase. The local police department were getting rid of thier olde shotguns and purchasing new ones. I picked up one of their olde ones as soon as I found out this information.
Reliability is also the reason I picked up a SKS. This rifle has alot of reliability for the moneys spent on it. Under $200. It is also a rifle I can afford to lose compared to others like my 1903 Springfield.

I have very a accurate target grade revolver in of all calibers 45ACP. I would not like to have to depend on this revolver in a defense situation nor survival situation as it uses these moon type clips to hold the five rounds of ammo. It is however a very accurate pistol....on the controlled enviornment of the pistol range. Huge difference in this and a defensive carry purpose.

I mirror Grady Phillpot's views about the 45ACP Auto. 4 inch groups at 25 yards from a out of the box Government pistol is very good for this purpose as I also agree most defensive engagements are under 10 yards.

Grady is again in the X-ring about competitive shooters with all thier tricks and trick guns. They pay premium prices for this type of competition grade gun. Why do you think so many of them in the top tiers of this sport have sponsors?? Very expensive to compete and keep your guns tuned up like a NASCAR racer.

Thanks to all for thier views,
Orangetom

Originally posted by Full_Auto77
I have a Norinko SKS. It's a good rifle and has never stovepiped or givin me any problems. My friend told me Norinko is Russian, another said it's made in China. Then someone else said Norinko is an Importor. So what is Norinko?

norinco is chinese. i have a 9mm norinco.
it is the chinese versian of the russian takarev

Originally posted by ultralo1
That is great, Hollywood is waiting. Shooting from the hip has nothing to do with marksmanship. It is just for looking "cool".

nah, it's not just for looking cool.
i have a 12 gauge that i cut th ebarrel down to 18 1/4 and i took about 7 inches off the stock. i am in the process of rounding the end and gnurling notches for my fingers.
that gun is shot from the hip.
i think you are ignorant. it is not just for looking cool.



^^can't shoot it but from the hip. this is for hom intrusion though



^^^norinco to the right of the chrome taurus



norinco on top

Boondock78,

That looks very similar to my 12 gauge Ithical model 37 pump. Loads and ejects from the bottom. Left handers like it very much. Light weight too so it kicks like a mule.
Speaking for myself I dont like cut down shotguns. Especially ones with solid stocks. If I want cut down I get a folding stock. The recoil on my Ithica is bad enough with a full stock. By the way..mine does not have a sear arrangement. You just keep pumping and hold the trigger down and it will keep firing. I found that such a arrangement is for the birds. It looks good in the movies but it is difficult to control when wildly pumping from the hip especially in a 12 gauge. I dont recommend it in a very light weight shotgun. Actually I dont recommend anything but aimed fire..period.

To me you have ruined a nice piece of wook like that. I am sure someone makes a pistol stock for this shotgun ..somewhere. I just never desired any such arrangement. I prefer full stocks on my shotguns. Looks like you have cut it down close to the long bolt which runs through the stock to mount it to the frame.

My model 37 came with a short barrel as it is the police special. I want to get the full length hunting barrel for it. No rush here. Full choke also on mine...about a half inch at the very end of the barrel. Cutting yours down like that you have taken out any choke you have in the barrel. It would be just straight bore...another reason I dont like to cut down a shotgun.

The model 37 design is a very simple, dependable, rugged design.

Hey...by the way..is that a .38 revolver?? Details please?? Nice!!

Thanks,
Orangetom

[edit on 9-6-2007 by orangetom1999]

Originally posted by orangetom1999
Boondock78,



To me you have ruined a nice piece of wook like that. I am sure someone makes a pistol stock for this shotgun .

Hey...by the way..is that a .38 revolver?? Details please?? Nice!!



[edit on 9-6-2007 by orangetom1999]

well, i didn't ruin it. it's what i want. i wanted the stock a certain way so i am making it. i am going to shape it, carve it, then engrave it, then stain it.

the revolver is a .38 special.
it's a 'rossi'..they are owned by taurus now.

boondock78,

Thanks for the rundown on the Rossi pistol. I did not know they were owned by Tarus. I own several Tarus pistols and I like them. Last year I bought the woman I am seeing a Tarus revolver in .357magnum to replace the Smith and Wesson Airweight someone had stolen from her. She loads it with .38 specials. I was surprised that this heavier revolver..compared to her Smith and Wesson Airweight ...shoots much better with .38 Specials. The heaviness of it might have something to do with it. Recoil on the very light Airweight was horrible.
I like a revolver in a handgun. Own autos but like a revolver better. Thats just me.

As to the shotgun in your pictures is that in fact a model 37 Ithica??
Whatever floats your boat in a shotgun. As long as you are satisfied. A shotgun is a very utilitarian tool..very versatile tool. Especially these new ones with the screw in chokes. Great idea on someones part. Great!! Mixing and matching the fodder one uses to feed it adds to the versatility.
So does adding a pistol grip verses cutting one down. Then being able to switch back to a full stock...or a folder if desired.

What ever one likes..versatility is the key.

Thanks and is that in fact a model 37??

Orangetom

i love the .38 and i love my taurus p92 also.
as far as the gauge, it's not an ithaca. it's some off brand chinese brand that i got at a discount sporting goods store. i took it to a couple shops looking for a pistol grip for it but nobody had anything. they said i could get some custom deal but i figure i would do it myself.
don't get me wrong, if i found a pistol grip stock that i could just bolt on, i would do it but i don't think i'll be able too.

i keep hearing ithaca and remington as far as what this one closely resembles.

when i am done doing the stock, you will dee what i am talking about. it is going to be a pistol grip, just from me carving and shaping the stock stock

edit* i like my wheel gun and want to get another, but i am in love with this taurus. i have every intention of getting another one so i can have twins. it is just an amazing gun to shoot. very smooth.
a lot of people say taurus sucks but i love this one

[edit on 9-6-2007 by Boondock78]

Originally posted by Boondock78
i think you are ignorant. it is not just for looking cool.

Well I cant help what you think. I will tell you this, Should you ever have to use that shotgun in a self defense situation you will be crusified by the DA and when you get to civil court. The reason being, you modified that weapon just for the express purpose of killing, you have taken it out of the realm of a hunting weapon.

This is the same reason you should not use handloaded ammo for self defense. Attorneys love to portray every gun owner as a closet homocideal maniac.

The best gun to use from legal defense stand point is the revolver in either single action or double action. Becareful with the double action, There was one case several years ago where the defendant thumb cocked it. The DA convinced the jury that this was evidence of premeditation. He was found guilty of manslaugter instead of self defense.


The handguns are nice. How does the tokerav shoot? What groups does it hold? It is 7.62X25?

I have a Norinco SKS which seems to be a pretty decent piece of machinery, given that the SKS is inherently a fairly crude simple design. It's the scoped para sniper version.

I also have a lot of Norinco 7.62 * 39 ammunition, which is helpfully labeled "keep out of the hands of children" - handy, cause until I read that I was planning on going down to the local schoolyard and handing out a few clips

[edit on 6/9/07 by xmotex]

Ultralo1,

What a crazy situation I fill really bad for that home owner he sounds like another person that was steam rolled by the system. I agree with you, on that a hand gun is best for home defense and for good a self defense case.

I'm surprised no one caught this...

Originally posted by ultralo1
Both held 25 yard groups at 4 inches.

I'm more inclined to get four inch groups at 25 yards, but that's just me. A syntax error to be sure... But humorous none the less.



On the topic at hand, when it comes to firearms you get what you pay for... No matter what. I prefer one high quality firearm (regardless of type) over a multitude of shoddily built ones. I place accuracy and reliability in the category of extreme importance... Thus my preference for Heckler & Koch... My advice, establish what you are willing to pay for a particular type of weapon, then double it... That's what you should pay.

My two spent cartridges.


[edit on 10/6/2007 by Mirthful Me]

I agree with avoiding shoddy firearms, because some do exist, but I think that firearms are like watches.

Spending five grand on a Rolex is not going to get you a better timepiece.

HK is a fine brand, but so are Ruger, Taurus and Rossi.

I have several Rugers that have held up to thousands of rounds and are as reliable as ever, maybe more so.

I also have a very inexpensive Rossi .38 snubby that does exactly what any .38 at any price will do, except possibly stand up to 10,000 rounds of ammo. I'll never put that many rounds through it, no matter what, but I know for a fact that if I ever need it, it will put five rounds right where I want them.


[edit on 2007/6/10 by GradyPhilpott]

I have a Norinco SKS I got from my father however it differs from some of the others I have seen on the net since mine accepts AK clips and does not have a metal portrusion in front of the magazine well. Most of the SKSs I have seen have to be loaded with those strip clips. Has anybody heard of an SKS like mine. Plus the quality of Norinco (yes it is from China) SKSs is pretty good in my opinion I've fired a few thousand rounds through mine and I have had maybe 3 misfires. Granted I do shoot it till i can smell the stock start to smoke (yes i realize this is bad).

Furthermore to those that say they wouldn't purchase a gun like this since it is "inferior" I would reply that this gun is actually a value for the price it can be had rather cheap and is extremely reliable.

Yeah I had one of those too, had to sell it out of the state as those are now verboten in my home state. I don't think any came from the factory like that, I think it's an aftermarket kit that lets you use AK mags.