A Prophecy From ST.Nilus

reply to post by oneclickaway



Hi oneclick/

Why are you picking on spelling?
As I already explained, this ENGLISH translation is not the Original,it has been translated so that others might read it!
And you should be thankful that it was done....many prophecies were written in the language of the individual....and many were unschooled!
I can give you the Russian or the Greek if you like?

ICXC NIKA
helen

Originally posted by Illmatic67
Go to the Link "The Future of Islam"

there are a lot of future events predicted there from Muslims and the Qur'an and all of it from what I'm reading has happened already... it's incredible


read before you talk.

Perhaps you should read the bible and research what a few thousand years of Bible scholarship has produced before you talk!!

Christ returns as an eternal indestructible deity. He is King of Kings and Lord Of Lords, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

He returns as an eternal "spirit being" (not of carnal flesh and blood).
So he does not die after 40 years.
He destroys His enemies upon arrival.
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that He is Lord.
After he reigns 1000 years on earth, a new heaven and earth is created.
He reigns for forever.

the antichrist will claim to be god, the mahdi will say hes a man and believes in 1 god according to islam...

[edit on 24-1-2010 by RizeorDie]

It does seem to be a fake, and I think many people are getting very confused to between the Russian Nilus who lived in a swamp/march in Russia and the St Nilus who the prophecy related to?

Anyhow having taken that into account it is now known that Father Dimitri Cozby, looked into this and found the known works of Nilus in

St Nilus's writings are collected in Migne's Patrologia Graeca, vol 79

Indiana Uni

And its not in there.

And it was also said elsewhere it could be found in Latin translated from greek in:

Biblioteca Sanctorum, volume IX

However both of those turned out to not contain the prophecy. And the above is certainly not Latin or Greek, once looked at.

However it is still being stated as true, even by those who say they research this properly.

Well after digging into this, and on another research mission recently meaning library visits I spent an afternoon getting an version in Britain. As said after a headache and much scratching of my head realising how fickle memory and learning is, I can state it does not contain the prophecy as reported.

And after much help from a lovely librarian found it published in Italian, not greek, not Latin.

If anyone wants to confirm this get a copy yourselves and check, or ask someone who can get by reading Italian, It is in the Main library in London microfilmed.

The only thing similar I could find on the five pages before and after was something along the lines of this centuries date.

At that time in the middle of the 19thc

But the rest of the prophecy was not there, and it then is just about warnings of the churchs demise unless the preists care for there flocks more. No fish mentioned in the pages I looked at.

No destruction/smite or desolation, except for each of us as normal if we turn from God and especially the preists.

It was though written in the same form as the letters in the new testament, more of advice and encouragement to Priests and the church to not fall into lazy ways themselves, as if they did then the Church would be weak and crumbling in the date mentioned, no Antichrist though.

So ive debunked it but by just looking at that only likely true source, and the pages before and after it. However I expected Latin which I can just about still read slowly and badly lol, Italain no way, so I had some help from the library and Dictionaries.

As said if anyone doubts this get a copy and check yourselves. As I am not able to do more than say "pretty" "beer" etc in Italian it would be good if an ATS member who speaks it can double check I did not miss anything.

I wrote down though 20 key words from the Prophecy, their all available italian translations and they never came up in the pages before or after 1008.

And I tried to go through it word by word to jotting down the meaning.

AntiChrist was definately not in there, no Mention of 12 yr old boys either, generals, armies (except evil/metaphysical distracting the priests from their work, the warning) so it does not even seem close.

I have been unable to find any other earlier or reliable sources for this prophecy, that would give it credence.

So unless anyone can provide any further sources, which I will research. of where this might of come from before the 20th C it is a Hoax.

What i find worrying having myself not an Biblical or Christian Scholar at all, I spend my energies elsewhere now I choose what to read, is that the Catholic Church must know its precedence, and up until very recently they were promoting this as true!

It was published in Inside the Vatican oct 2004 as if it was official church documentation!!!

Who is worse the people who made this up to use fear to control whoever/whenever/wherever this hoax happened, or the Catholic Church for choosing to publish and Lie and spread confusion and fear into people?

Anyhow Debunked until any more sources comes forward. Elf Bows

Kind Regards,

Elf

reply to post by MischeviousElf


Hi M.E /

The original prophecy existed in Greece,it is in Greek writing.

There are however many claims, as to what century the prophecy was written in....I guess there were not this much confusion before the internet!

The Greek web site states ''Prophecy of St. Nilus'' the Myrrh-streamer of Mount Athos 1651+

www.impantokratoros.gr...

And one that is in English HERE

Thanks for pointing that out, M.E....

ICXC NIKA
helen

reply to post by helen670


Thanks Helen.

That is a differant prophecy though similair to the one that is originally in this OP.

However even though it is on a Greek moanstries site, there is no indication of where they got it from, certainly no reference to an book in the Library or a name.

The Monastry was not built until 1985 anyhow, so most of the wisdom and texts would have been brought in, very easy for a fake to be confused with an original if there is no long standing Library there, and records of texts as in more anciant monastic References.

The same as the Vatican printing it, no source.

So until we can find an source before at least 1900 I think we can call it a fake still. Sorry Helen I know you dont want to hear that or accept, but it does not have the precedence of say malachi's predictions or mother shiptons (with date shiptons anyhow)

One thing that clinches it for me is the fact that in the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1911 where most of the info about Nilus is repeated from, there is only a very brief outline of his life, and no mention of this prophecy. Catholics love there doom and gloom prophecies, or at least the Church rulers always have especially in times around 1900 and before, a form of control through fear imho.

Also that Father searched the St Nilus's writings are collected in Migne's Patrologia Graeca, vol 79 and found nothing, and that the only other known refernec of any of his writings is the Italian Book.

Therefore the only place it seems left in the world where any texts prior to around 1950 ish can be found on this prophecy (though your version if sourced would be an exception) would be in the Vatican Library. And if such a text or book existed it would have been referenced in the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1911, which it is not, no refernces of any kind. As THEY made him a saint this I dont believe would have happened if they had an text/book. theyhave just reproduced in "Inside the Vatican" publication an exact copy and paste as the unsourced ones on the net.

The three sources for Nilus's works and life and writings show nothing of this, or what you have found....

So I will stand by my belief it is an Fake/Hoax until I can find an dated, known and authentic writings with this from before at least 1900. I might email a person I know (not well) in Oxford who is interested in these things and would have much better research skills than myself, if he cant find anything besides what we have found, with his knowledge and contacts, well its not there. I will update you when I get an reply from him.

The last place of course besides this is in Etheopia with the Christians there, there are some truly impressive libraries, not available elsewhere, not referenced or seen by many for hundreds and thousands of years. Considering the greek orthodox links with some in that area around Nilus times there is that possibility, but if it is there it will I doubt never be found or have the dust blown of it in front of an westerner... so using the evidense so far imho we cant have faith in this prophecy.

Kind Regards,

Elf

reply to post by helen670


Just fyi I have contacted the Greek orthodo Church asking for clarification of their sources or any further info they might have on the subject, I am sure they will be as keen as me to disprove or prove this once and for all.

Elf