What is the soul/awareness?

Originally posted by Purgatory
Great Article explaining Animal Self-Awareness.

It brings up some interesting points I agree.
But (personally) everything being described sounds like basic "Instinctual" characteristics.

Everything mentioned was a generalization of each animal being presented.
There weren't specific examples of outstanding traits between them.
(know what I mean)
It was also this author's personal opinion, & not a fact based study......

It sounded like the article was saying since ALL of these animals do this, it must be self awareness. But that fits more into the category of instinct by nature.
(That's MY take anyway).



But I think some animals are more intelligent than others for sure!

****Here's where I have to humble myself a bit now****

NOW THEN..... to make MYSELF think about something that defies explanation, concerning my opinion on animals & self awareness.......

.... What about the Gorilla that was taught sign language? (I don't remember it's name....)
But that particular Gorilla was able to communicate feelings & emotions,.... as well as apparent "THOUGHT PROCESS". Not just instinctive, or "trained" signals... but actual intellect.

So maybe there IS more to (some) animals than I thought.

I can't say I'm convinced that ALL Gorillas have this in them. (or all other animals; generally speaking, that is)
But depending on their surroundings, & inetractions, maybe they can grow "spiritually", & become more aware of life?

Hmmmmm.


That one got me! I can't say I feel "completely" right anymore...
LOL!

DANG GORILLA!!!!

(What WAS his/her name??????)

Originally posted by marko1970
Do they have a soul? or a spirit? I think they at least have a spirit, since they are a living creature. (OK.. Maybe a soul..... ) but it's not on the same level as WE have.

Does that make more sense?

You just said it! So, can someone explain to me what are these 'levels'? I am really interested in for example the highest level ... of an alien being.

What makes your higher level of your awareness, and why is mine at a higher level than a cat's awareness?

Possibly it is related to genetics, an animal is genetically different from a human, a plant is different from an animal. An alien is different from a human, possibly his awareness is at a higher level as well.

That's why some aliens call us "animals". Simply because that level.

Originally posted by Thymus

Originally posted by marko1970
Do they have a soul? or a spirit? I think they at least have a spirit, since they are a living creature. (OK.. Maybe a soul..... ) but it's not on the same level as WE have.

Does that make more sense?

You just said it! So, can someone explain to me what are these 'levels'? I am really interested in for example the highest level ... of an alien being.

What makes your higher level of your awareness, and why is mine at a higher level than a cat's awareness?

Possibly it is related to genetics, an animal is genetically different from a human, a plant is different from an animal. An alien is different from a human, possibly his awareness is at a higher level as well.

That's why some aliens call us "animals". Simply because that level.

Maybe my use of the word "Level" mislead you as far as what I mean.
When I said I believe that Animals not having spirits, or souls on the same "LEVEL" as humans do, I meant that as, I don't think it's a soul in the same sense.

It's not the same type of "exsistence" or "experience" of life that OUR souls have.

I didn't mean to sound like there are different levels of souls, like higher or lower....
BUT..... perhaps it COULD be that as well.

I mean, GOD is the ULTIMATE Spirit/Soul/Entity.
Angels have a limited amount of "ranking" so to speak, as they were created as servants to the Lord.

When God created MAN (and Woman... ) He created US to rank HIGHER than the Angels. To give US more "power" or freedom. He allowed us to have free will, & make choices. He gave US much more of what HE is, than he did to the Angels.

The Angels are strictly non-physical beings. Their purpose was to praise & serve God.

But God wanted a "closer", more meaningful relationship with others. So he decided to create MAN, & give him the ability to CHOOSE.
That way, when we CHOOSE to praise God, love him, & establish a relationship with him, it MEANS more than the relationship with the beings who were created for that purpose.

*side note - THAT is what got Lucifer all upset, & caused him to rebel against God. he was jealous that God was giving US more than he gave the angels)*

SO.... OUR souls could possibly be looked at as being on a "HIGHER Level" in that sense.

I see what you're asking here.

As far as "Aliens" & what THEIR level is.....?
I can't honestly answer that.

Mainly because I haven't encountered them, nor have been given information that I would deem as absolute.
There is a LOT of published stuff about aliens, but I think it's all personal opinions, & theoretical.

Do I believe in them? I think so.. I mean, this universe is HUGE! Bigger than we can truly imagine.
& it seems silly to think WE are the only beings with an amount of intelligence in the entire universe.
(But again, I don't know for certain.)
I WOULD think that OUR souls probably rank higher than an alien's though. Mainly because God never told us about other beings "out there" having relationships with Him.
(Unless aliens are "angels"...... in which case, we DO rank higher than them)

Originally posted by marko1970

Originally posted by Purgatory
Great Article explaining Animal Self-Awareness.

So maybe there IS more to (some) animals than I thought.

I think you're on the right track.

Hell, I've seen some animals smarter than a lot of people!

Originally posted by marko1970
I didn't mean to sound like there are different levels of souls, like higher or lower....
BUT..... perhaps it COULD be that as well.

I see what you're asking here.

As far as "Aliens" & what THEIR level is.....?
I can't honestly answer that.

Do I believe in them? I think so.. I mean, this universe is HUGE! Bigger than we can truly imagine.
& it seems silly to think WE are the only beings with an amount of intelligence in the entire universe.

I have a strong feeling that God and Lucifer is an alien. This makes up the exact same thing.

God and other aliens have that ultimate awareness. Clearly understood, they evolved for a very long time. Humans here are of course the creation of God.

Who created this wonderful planet? And the Solar System? I guess, it was done by someone else long ago.

Greys can create life, too. Just bring some animal and plant genes from swhere else.

Confusing, isn't it?

Originally posted by Purgatory

Originally posted by marko1970

Originally posted by Purgatory
Great Article explaining Animal Self-Awareness.

So maybe there IS more to (some) animals than I thought.

I think you're on the right track.

Hell, I've seen some animals smarter than a lot of people!

OK I CAN'T disagree with that!!!
I've met MANY people I feel that way about!
(In fact, I work with a couple... heehee)



Honestly I don't know now!
I mean, there have been incredible examples of certian animals here & there, that showed signs of reason, & thought with a purpose.

Especially certain gorrilas & dogs.

I remember a couple other gorilla stories where kids have fallen into the pits at the zoo, & gorilla seemed to keep watch over them, & try to comfort them...

Or where dogs have jumped into lakes to save drowning people. (Dolphins too have shown a higher awareness than most animals)

OK....
I'm on the fence now!
LOL

Maybe there are "special" animals that for whatever reason, have been blessed with a higher awareness, & true thought abilities.

I'll know the answer one of these days!

Originally posted by Thymus

Originally posted by marko1970
I didn't mean to sound like there are different levels of souls, like higher or lower....
BUT..... perhaps it COULD be that as well.

I see what you're asking here.

As far as "Aliens" & what THEIR level is.....?
I can't honestly answer that.

Do I believe in them? I think so.. I mean, this universe is HUGE! Bigger than we can truly imagine.
& it seems silly to think WE are the only beings with an amount of intelligence in the entire universe.

I have a strong feeling that God and Lucifer is an alien. This makes up the exact same thing.

God and other aliens have that ultimate awareness. Clearly understood, they evolved for a very long time. Humans here are of course the creation of God.

Who created this wonderful planet? And the Solar System? I guess, it was done by someone else long ago.

Greys can create life, too. Just bring some animal and plant genes from swhere else.

Confusing, isn't it?

No not really confusing. Makes a lot of sense- no other explannation how such early civilizations (Mayan, Sumer, Egypt) were so technologicially advanced for their time all of a sudden out of no where, and then simply vanished for no reason.

GodS

Hi everyone.

I hope I can clear a few things up.

The soul is not a third part. A few of you are confusing the soul as the spirit.

Your spirit (as in the life force) combined with living flesh makes a soul. Look in a mirror you will see a "living soul". It is you...

spirit + flesh = a soul (the embodiment of)

yes, animals are living souls

[edit on 4-8-2006 by GameSetMatch]

Originally posted by GameSetMatch
Hi everyone.

I hope I can clear a few things up.

The soul is not a third part. A few of you are confusing the soul as the spirit.

Your spirit (as in the life force) combined with living flesh makes a soul. Look in a mirror you will see a "living soul". It is you...

spirit + flesh = a soul (the embodiment of)

yes, animals are living souls

[edit on 4-8-2006 by GameSetMatch]

Then, to clarify for you- yes, Animals have a "3rd part" just as Humans do.

Originally posted by Thymus
Right... Meaning that there is somebody deciding where we will be after life. We end up for eternity at any dump, where animal souls end up anyway, or we will become a new member of a great community, where all the 'qualified' souls go. Simply because there is need for good souls.

No, no, no. WE get to decide where we end up! (And animals don't have souls)

Originally posted by Purgatory

Then, to clarify for you- yes, Animals have a "3rd part" just as Humans do.

Im confused on what your telling me? what is this 3rd part?

I wanted to point something out right quick about this self-awareness/soul thing. Self-awareness isn't a prerequ for having a soul, nor does it mean that a creature has one.

Many people (look at the case of Terry that was drug through the courts before they killed her) - We know she had a soul, but the doctors insisted she had no self-awareness.

Originally posted by GameSetMatch
Hi everyone.

I hope I can clear a few things up.

The soul is not a third part. A few of you are confusing the soul as the spirit.

Your spirit (as in the life force) combined with living flesh makes a soul. Look in a mirror you will see a "living soul". It is you...

spirit + flesh = a soul (the embodiment of)

yes, animals are living souls

[edit on 4-8-2006 by GameSetMatch]

Nope. We are made up of 3 parts. The physical body, the spiritual body and the soul.
3 parts. You will not see a soul in a mirror. When you die, the only part that 'goes away' is the part that you CAN see. The rest (soul and spirt) both live on - eternaly.

Originally posted by AngelaLadyS
Nope. We are made up of 3 parts. The physical body, the spiritual body and the soul.
3 parts. You will not see a soul in a mirror. When you die, the only part that 'goes away' is the part that you CAN see. The rest (soul and spirt) both live on - eternaly.

I do not agree.

When I look in a mirror I see a living soul.

It is the spirit that I can not see. When I die the soul has been lost. the body dies, but the spirit moves beyond.

[edit on 4-8-2006 by GameSetMatch]

Originally posted by GameSetMatch

Originally posted by AngelaLadyS
Nope. We are made up of 3 parts. The physical body, the spiritual body and the soul.
3 parts. You will not see a soul in a mirror. When you die, the only part that 'goes away' is the part that you CAN see. The rest (soul and spirt) both live on - eternaly.

I do not agree.

When I look in a mirror I see a living soul.

It is the spirit that I can not see. When I die the soul has been lost. the body dies, but the spirit moves beyond.

[edit on 4-8-2006 by GameSetMatch]

Wow. That's quite different from anything I've heard or contemplated. Do you believe in a Creater or that we just accidentaly exploded into being (whatever they call that now days).

Originally posted by AngelaLadyS
I wanted to point something out right quick about this self-awareness/soul thing. Self-awareness isn't a prerequ for having a soul, nor does it mean that a creature has one.

Many people (look at the case of Terry that was drug through the courts before they killed her) - We know she had a soul, but the doctors insisted she had no self-awareness.

Hmmmmm.
The Terry Schaivo case. Indeed a great point.
She was absolutely a living, breathing being. Indeed has a soul, although no longer connected to the physical body.

Brain avtivity was limited due to the injuries, so the awareness/self-awareness factor was non exsistent. BUT... she STILL has a soul.

Because of that, one can rationalize that the brain is totally seperate from the soul. The brain being the "battery" so to speak, & the "hard drive" for memory.....

Experiences make up a person. The brain records those experiences, & the soul is the TRUE person; but it also is impacted by the overall life of an individual.
So what you do, & what you believe affect both the brain AND the soul.

However, the SOUL is infinite & nonphysical, whereas the brain is temporary.

So, just a hunch, or an opinion, but I'm thinking the Brain is the connecting point between the soul & the physical body during one's life.


I Think the Terry Schaivo example was a good one to bring up!
It shows the difference between the soul, & "self-awareness".

Originally posted by AngelaLadySWow. That's quite different from anything I've heard or contemplated. Do you believe in a Creater or that we just accidentaly exploded into being (whatever they call that now days).

I believe in a Creator. There is no accidents everything happens for a reason even if we do not understand or comprehend it at the time.

Originally posted by Purgatory
No not really confusing. Makes a lot of sense- no other explannation how such early civilizations (Mayan, Sumer, Egypt) were so technologicially advanced for their time all of a sudden out of no where, and then simply vanished for no reason.

GodS

Sure, we all experience godlike activity all around this planet. However, some people can figure out what it is.

But how come, Greys don't call themselves GODs at Area51, at the same time they are doing very good things to us? And how come, other aliens force humans to worship them as GODs , still keeping them in primitive, poor situations compared to other nations?

Just some thoughts about the existance of GOD.

Originally posted by GameSetMatch
Hi everyone.

I hope I can clear a few things up.

The soul is not a third part. A few of you are confusing the soul as the spirit.

Your spirit (as in the life force) combined with living flesh makes a soul. Look in a mirror you will see a "living soul". It is you...

spirit + flesh = a soul (the embodiment of)

yes, animals are living souls

Right. what if that living flesh, the mass of tiny cells is able to control somethhing called soul or awareness?

Makes it possible that bacteria have aawareness, still bacteria don't have a soul, I guess. As we think of more advanced species, like dogs, their awareness MUST be at a higher level, than that of bacteria's. Am I right? Now let's think of the difference between dogs and humans. Guessful, that humans have awareness at a higher level than those of dogs.

Also, this makes it clear that there is huge diversity among humans regarding their awareness. Meaning, that some people have a low-rated soul compared to other people, who have much higher level of soul.

Could it be measured too? YES! But how?

Originally posted by GameSetMatch

Originally posted by AngelaLadyS
Nope. We are made up of 3 parts. The physical body, the spiritual body and the soul.
3 parts. You will not see a soul in a mirror. When you die, the only part that 'goes away' is the part that you CAN see. The rest (soul and spirt) both live on - eternaly.

I do not agree.

When I look in a mirror I see a living soul.

It is the spirit that I can not see. When I die the soul has been lost. the body dies, but the spirit moves beyond.

[edit on 4-8-2006 by GameSetMatch]

So you think your physical body is the soul then hu? Or is it that 'something' in your eyes that you see as your soul. (My mother always said, and so do I, that the eyes are the windows to the soul).