A Lutheran Thing???

Originally posted by defcon5
I see that this is a ELCA church, that is the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, which is the schism church that I mentioned in an earlier post. They have only been around since May 3, 1987, as you can check here on their own history page, so this building was apparently originally not theirs having been built in 1931.

This probably explains why the pastor did not know what mordicai was talking about and had to go outside and look at the carvings in question!

I would suggest a history check and see who built the church first.

The wings, etc of the dove... the dove is "displayed" in a proper heraldic tradition. Check on heraldry and you will find many creatures represented with claws that dont have claws. Nothing strange in that at all,

Originally posted by Masonic Light
3. The chief Rosicrucian emblem is extremely similar to Martin Luther's seal.[/quote]

I would appreciate a link to that if you don't mind. I have seen the Wikipedi comparison to an old wax seal with Luthur's white Tudor style rose, but the article identifies that as Luthor's seal.

As an aside, neither Rosicrucianism nor Freemasonry are "cults", unless you define "cult" as a group of people who share certain beliefs, which means that everyone belongs to some sort of cult.

What truly amazes me is why there is such a dislike for Masonry. Do these people not understand that there would not have been a free society named the United States of America had it not been for the courage and determination of these people?

Originally posted by NuTroll
i know the obvious reason a dove is used (symbol of peace), but why does it have eagle's wings and why is it on top of a sun disc with a templar cross forming a disc behind its head?

more importantly, why is the dove standing upright instead of decending (although i would probably call that out too).

Take a look at the winged disk of the Sumerians... and the cross behind the bird is the same as the one representing the "dark star" or Nibiru worn on the chest of the Annunaki King

This is a christian stylation of that symbol

reply to post by Mordecai81


I think it is curious this is a prominent symbol to represent Lutherans.

When I first saw it creating a webpage for a friend (acquaintance) who happens to be Luciferian - ooops, I mean Lutheran. I started to get the creeps a little when I visited her (Lutheran Redeemer) Church's website and found what appeared to me to be a strange service. Members in bright red robes and they had this Rams Head on the top of the page. I will accept perhaps I am looking for a conspiracy where there is none.

www.redeemerstuart.com...

They appear to be decent people, not saying they are not - but then I guess everyone seems so until the day they don't.

What is up with the Rams head? That's what I'd like to know.

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by Mordecai81

 

I think it is curious this is a prominent symbol to represent Lutherans.

You seem to be drawing this conclusion based on one school's mascot choice.

When I first saw it creating a webpage for a friend (acquaintance) who happens to be Luciferian - ooops, I mean Lutheran.

Let's keep it mature here.

I started to get the creeps a little when I visited her (Lutheran Redeemer) Church's website and found what appeared to me to be a strange service.

I don't see anything remotely strange about it except that the choir is behind the altar.

Members in bright red robes

The Catholic Church and those divorced from it for largely political reasons (such as the Lutheran Church) mark certain events in the Church calendar with a specific color. Given that it's practiced by the vast majority of Christians worldwide, that you and I don't see it every time we attend church makes us the strange ones.

and they had this Rams Head on the top of the page. I will accept perhaps I am looking for a conspiracy where there is none...What is up with the Rams head? That's what I'd like to know.

The ram's head on their header is a carbon copy of the one used by Colorado State University for its athletic teams, which is pretty common for high schools. I think they've chosen a ram as their athletic mascot (a good choice; rams are hardy and aggressive animals), grabbed the stock image of their athletic manufacturer, and that, yes, you're looking for a conspiracy. Nearly every first page result in Google for "Lutheran ram" returns results mentioning the school.

Originally posted by OnTheLevel213

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by Mordecai81

 

I think it is curious this is a prominent symbol to represent Lutherans.

You seem to be drawing this conclusion based on one school's mascot choice.

When I first saw it creating a webpage for a friend (acquaintance) who happens to be Luciferian - ooops, I mean Lutheran.

Let's keep it mature here.

I started to get the creeps a little when I visited her (Lutheran Redeemer) Church's website and found what appeared to me to be a strange service.

I don't see anything remotely strange about it except that the choir is behind the altar.

Members in bright red robes

The Catholic Church and those divorced from it for largely political reasons (such as the Lutheran Church) mark certain events in the Church calendar with a specific color. Given that it's practiced by the vast majority of Christians worldwide, that you and I don't see it every time we attend church makes us the strange ones.

and they had this Rams Head on the top of the page. I will accept perhaps I am looking for a conspiracy where there is none...What is up with the Rams head? That's what I'd like to know.

The ram's head on their header is a carbon copy of the one used by Colorado State University for its athletic teams, which is pretty common for high schools. I think they've chosen a ram as their athletic mascot (a good choice; rams are hardy and aggressive animals), grabbed the stock image of their athletic manufacturer, and that, yes, you're looking for a conspiracy. Nearly every first page result in Google for "Lutheran ram" returns results mentioning the school.

You do realize that thinking something is curious and drawing a conclusion are 2 remarkably different things?
Before you run away with yourself I just though I would point out the error of your mistake. Maturity? Please...And I still wonder after all is said and done - "What's with the goat?"

Originally posted by newcovenant

You do realize that thinking something is curious and drawing a conclusion are 2 remarkably different things?

Granted.

Maturity? Please...

Yes, please. Snide off-hand remarks are beneath you (at least, I hope they are).

And I still wonder after all is said and done - "What's with the goat?"

You do realize a goat and a ram are different animals, right?