Iran's Hizbollah says ready to attack US, Israel

Originally posted by DigitalGrl
im really get so tired of this whole situation. the whole thing just really pisses me off. i wish there was another planet i could jump to sometimes just to take a breather.

If things are stressing you out, you SHOULD take a breather. You needn't worry about the news if it is stressing you out. Why? Because there is nothing you and I can do about it. Just turn off the computer, don't read the newspapers, and just focus on your daily life and bigger and better things.

We all must understand that all of us, are victims to the governments and propaganda of countries. Iranians, Israelis, Palestininians, Americans, Chinese, etc. We are all fed things that make us hate the other people. The innocent are always affected, and despite what country is involved, they have INNOCENT people, who have children, and family. We all want peace, and happiness, yet we are just controlled and told on how to achieve it. And it is just to annhiliate others who want the same thing.

Stop seeing others as the evil people starting things. See them as yourselves, and you will understand that this WHOLE thing must stop and we must wise up.

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
We all must understand that all of us, are victims to the governments and propaganda of countries. Iranians, Israelis, Palestininians, Americans, Chinese, etc. We are all fed things that make us hate the other people. The innocent are always affected, and despite what country is involved, they have INNOCENT people, who have children, and family. We all want peace, and happiness, yet we are just controlled and told on how to achieve it. And it is just to annhiliate others who want the same thing.

This gets a Way Above vote from me, the most sensible thing I've heard from any sources I've come across regarding this crisis. There's too much "my Country's better than yours" nonsense flying around at the moment.

The last thing we all need is to become further polarised but look - it's exactly what's happened. SkepticOverlord pointed out what was mainly US polarisation in a thread around the last US elections. It's spreading like wildfire though, all over the world it's an us vs them attitude (note the non capitalised us).

A lot of us really need to think for ourselves guys, there's much more to all of this than we're reading. I don't claim to know what more there is, just that there is guaranteed to be more. It's actually frustrating to think that all we can do is wait and see!

Yes the US funded the Mujahadeen in its fight against Russia, not to kill civilians. Iran is funding groups that are fireing unguided rockets on civilians cities, and have also channeled weapons, personnel, training towards suicide bombers who blow themselves up in nightclubs, because they are all 'dirty sluts'

I'm sorry wat did you just implement?

Funding the Muhjahadeen to fight russians and not the civilians? So youre saying Russians dont have any civilianc..or if i give you a slack..youre saying they didnt atack russian civilians?

Well wat a load of crap....I mean war is bad on wich side you are i dont care, and funding some group to kill another group IS WRONG.

On the war issue i want to say...we had this coming.....in an argument the middle man is always the black sheep.

Where has Mehran gone?
Hope he doesn't feel like we are attacking here but rather at least for me it's a great way to exchange thoughts on this.

Thank to the person who gave a description for SAVAK. I didn't know what that was.

The truth is, if terrorist attacks occured in the US, something big will happen. Depending on severity. But if it is another 9/11 type, I wouldn't even go as far as to denounce that the government putting muslims in internment camps and then the American people call for Iran and Syria to be decimated. It would be a HUGE problem for Iran if Hezbollah attacked the US, they need to understand this. Leave the US alone, I think I will have to hide Muslims in my house so they aren't shipped to camps or aren't targeted for hate crimes. And mosques will be in flames. And Iran will be in flames with thousands and thousands killed including Syria. Like I said, if Hezbollah staged a huge attack in America it would seal death for so so so so many more innocent people. They need to keep it between Israel and them and not involve America especially through terror attacks in the US.

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
...It would be a HUGE problem for Iran if Hezbollah attacked the US...

And what if someone else, even the US or Israeli government themselves staged a terror attack on US soil and blamed it on Hezbollah? Couldn't be that hard to pull off, and it would result in carnage for sure?

Originally posted by Saidar

How can you possibly cite the bible as a legitimatization of fearing an entire people? Or cite jesus in the same breadth as calling for action against them??? Jesus was a pacifist, and the bible says to love everyone

Sorry if I insulted the Muslim people that's not what I meant. The problem with the Muslims are they are so commited to their religion, they will do ANYTHING to protect it. Go read Revelation over and over again. You'll see what I mean.

Yeah, anyone who isn't willing to give up their believes and adopt yours must be fought to the bitter end... WTF??? As far as I'm concerned, a fanatic is a fanatic regardless of skin color or religion. There are a LOT of wacky fundamentalist, creationist christian cooks in the US.

Originally posted by Nygdan

And what have supposed christians done in order to, not only protect their religion, but to expand it and foist it on other people? And all the while proclaiming faith in christ, who told them to 'turn the other cheek' and let those who are attacking them attack it without resistance?

You paint your ignorance of Christianity with a wide brush don’t you?
AH, but it’s cool now a days to be Antichristian, right?

If you bother to check only one supposedly Christian religion ever did this, and that was the Roman Catholic Church. Hardly all of Christianity, and considered by most main line protestant religions to be one of the Beasts in both Daniel and Revelations, partly for those exact reasons.

Or did I miss the Lutheran/Methodist/Presbyterian/etc Crusades and Inquisitions?

Originally posted by Nygdan
And over and over and over eh?

Muslims didn't even exist at the time revelation was written. Revelation was written to give the persecuted christians the hope that in the end, as long as they beleive and trust in jesus, they will be rewarded.

Again, this is ignorant, you are speaking of one of three possible interpretations of Daniel and Revelations, and it’s the RCC one at that. Also many of the things in both books did not exist during the authors life time, that is why its called…… Um, wait for it…… Prophecy!

Originally posted by Saidar
All Muslims must be feared. I will never trust a country that is run by Muslims. But as the Bible says, conflict between east and west will go on forever until Jesus returns. Unfortunately peace will never come between east and west

So what can we do about it?? Either we make sure they can't kill us all, or we ignore them and they do kill us all. I think I'll stay with making sure they can't kill us all

people like you is the reason why war exist

Originally posted by malganis

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
...It would be a HUGE problem for Iran if Hezbollah attacked the US...

And what if someone else, even the US or Israeli government themselves staged a terror attack on US soil and blamed it on Hezbollah? Couldn't be that hard to pull off, and it would result in carnage for sure?

YES It would be that easy...If they wanted to get American support for attacking Iran and Syria.

Retinoid- i agree with everything you said except for 2 things. 1. i do think there is something we can do about it, call my a bit of an idealist i guess, but i do think changing the world starts with one person and spreads to the collective, and that counts for things of good intent and bad. look at people like, christ, ghandi etc...

and the second thing is, i dont think that shutting yourself off from world completely would be a healthy thing to do. if we all remain ignorant about it then the solution to the problem can never progress. but i do think that human beings need to take a breather, step back and really assess what is going on. i wish i could just go over there and sit both sides down and tell them that. because it seems like nobody really just tells them straight up like that. its all this political haggling.

other than that..nice post

p.s is anyone else getting sick of the thing on fox news where the do the "sites and sounds of the middle east" after all of their shows. they just show a bunch of pictures with this hollywood symphony music in the background. while i think it is important for us to know what is going on, i think that humanities obsession with tragedy is getting ridiculous, and i doubt it is being shown for any reason that overcomes the need for news broadcasters to get better ratings

kind regards,
Digitalgrl

[edit on 10/01/2004 by DigitalGrl]

Well, according to cnn.com Marines have just landed in beirut.

To protect and rescue citizens, but will they be just too tempting a target?

Hizbollah will not attack the US unless the US give them a reason to, like helping Israel in their active military actions, or attack Iran, a Shia ally of Shia Hizbollah.

Hizbollah's fight is primarily with Israel.

Hizbollah in Tehran are letting off steam, and rattling sabres to ward off an attack on Iran (allies of Hizbollah) by the US.

So, take a chill pill and stop dampening your underpants.

As for Hizbollah attacking the evacuations.....I'm more worried about Israel giving the evacuations set time 'windows' limits before they start attacking the ports.

The nations doing evacuations should tell Israel they will take as long as it takes to evacuate their citizens and won't be harried.

They should tell Israel to stop destroying Lebanon too.

I'm not sure if Iran's hizbollah is the same as the Hezbollah near Israel but there was a story on the national news here in the US of why it's unlikely for the Hezbollah to strike the US. They basically stated that the Hezbollah raises funds here for their organization. That might seem a bit surprising to think funds for an organization fighting Israel is getting funds from the US. However they stated on the news that it was from some regular criminal activity that the funds were generated. If the Hezbollah tried something here, that would bring the US military in on a crackdown on them and the thinking is that Hezbollah won't want that. Sometimes I wonder if a number of people in the US are covertly working on the other side from what the public media portrays.

Originally posted by orionthehunter
I'm not sure if Iran's hizbollah is the same as the Hezbollah near Israel but there was a story on the national news here in the US of why it's unlikely for the Hezbollah to strike the US. They basically stated that the Hezbollah raises funds here for their organization. That might seem a bit surprising to think funds for an organization fighting Israel is getting funds from the US. However they stated on the news that it was from some regular criminal activity that the funds were generated. If the Hezbollah tried something here, that would bring the US military in on a crackdown on them and the thinking is that Hezbollah won't want that. Sometimes I wonder if a number of people in the US are covertly working on the other side from what the public media portrays.

Indeed. Say for example, the IRA, who were given funds in the US by citizens, and possibly other quarters, had decided to bomb the US mainland for it's diplomatic relations with the UK.

Would not be good for fund raising....or the IRA in general.

Originally posted by orionthehunter
I'm not sure if Iran's hizbollah is the same as the Hezbollah near Israel but there was a story on the national news here in the US of why it's unlikely for the Hezbollah to strike the US. They basically stated that the Hezbollah raises funds here for their organization. That might seem a bit surprising to think funds for an organization fighting Israel is getting funds from the US. However they stated on the news that it was from some regular criminal activity that the funds were generated. If the Hezbollah tried something here, that would bring the US military in on a crackdown on them and the thinking is that Hezbollah won't want that. Sometimes I wonder if a number of people in the US are covertly working on the other side from what the public media portrays.

If The Lebanese Hizbollah wanted to strike out at US interests they could have done so in Lebanon or in Iraq. They wouldn't need to come to America to do it. They have a beef with Israel and they protect the Muslims and Palestinians in the bordering areas with Israel. Its mostly those people who voted their political arm into Lebanese government. Just as Americans voted in George Washington who was a hero to US citizens and was considered a rebel and terrorist to the brits. Its normal human nature to gravitate towards a face you know, safety and security.

Pie

The Intenet, or rather the World Wide Web, may well end up being the saviour of humankind. Even with all the bloodshed and mayhem currently taking place in the Mid-East I see people talking to others from "the other side" and even attempting to get along. It is difficult to see because of all the polarization being fanned at the same time, but it is there none-the-less and it is a hopeful sign. Let's stop fighting and start talking. We can work everything out over time if we will just be patient and considerate.

Originally posted by Astronomer70
The Intenet, or rather the World Wide Web, may well end up being the saviour of humankind. Even with all the bloodshed and mayhem currently taking place in the Mid-East I see people talking to others from "the other side" and even attempting to get along. It is difficult to see because of all the polarization being fanned at the same time, but it is there none-the-less and it is a hopeful sign. Let's stop fighting and start talking. We can work everything out over time if we will just be patient and considerate.

Well said.

Absolutely.