POLAND: invasion/attack on Iran would be impossible.

Wise words, . You guys too, would have to get use to knowing irans right in nuclear technology and nuclear weapons .

ONE of America's main allies, Poland, believes so many mistakes were made in the war in Iraq that any military intervention in Iran would be highly unlikely and the world would have to learn to deal with Iran having nuclear arms.

In an interview in Warsaw, the undersecretary of state for defence, Stanislaw Koziej, told the Herald the operation in Iraq "wasn't optimal, wasn't very effective and quite a lot of mistakes were done there and still we make a lot of mistakes".

Poland, one of the original "coalition of the willing" partners in Iraq, previously had 2500 troops there - its biggest military challenge since World War II. Today it has 900.

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Let Iran have weapons, so they could protect them from Israël and the US. They'll never use it, they would kill almost all the palestinians and this would mean complete annihilation 30 minutes later. Also, their not as crazy as the US media seems to portrait their leaders, it's just propaganda.

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Improbable, not impossible.

I think Iran will never be allowed to have nukes, or atleast we are told that.
The UN is ineffective and it seems that Iran will get the nukes. I agree that its propaganda for Iran, they are scared of the USA and they want them as a deterrent, but Iran knows, that Israel and the US has more nukes than they can ever imagine to have.

Originally posted by nb25
I think Iran will never be allowed to have nukes, or atleast we are told that.
The UN is ineffective and it seems that Iran will get the nukes. I agree that its propaganda for Iran, they are scared of the USA and they want them as a deterrent, but Iran knows, that Israel and the US has more nukes than they can ever imagine to have.

we will never be scared of you. when you supplied chemical and biological weapons to Saddam to use against Iranian soldiers we never went running home, we kept fighting because we have a proud history, an aryan history that is. You dare to touch iran and we will turn iraq into hell for your troops down there and even at your situation, there is nothing you can do to stop us.

alright mehran, enough flaming. An attack on Iran isnt going to happen so get your panties untwisted and take a deep breath. You dont need nukes to deter the US or Israel, but if Iran openly stated they had nukes(assuming this is said to try to gain negotiating ground and not true), then they will wish they had. The point I'm trying to make is the only time that Iran would be attacked is if they openly tested or stated they had nukes, and if that happens, they better have more than one, thats all I will say.

No one would support Israel oppenly attacking anyone! Well except Palestine but that is their territory and other ME countries dont exactly like Palestinians anyways. Could America take down Iran? Sure, in about a week I would bet, but there would be more cassualities, alot more, but that is war? We dont go to war not expecting to loose some men, its what we pay them to do. If we attack Iran, we should leave it a heap of mess as we finish our attack and not try and nation build. They don't want our help, and we are there to fight a war. Sounds insensitive but it is true, if Iran is as big of a threat as we are being led to believe then we should at least take out their nuke institutions and a few governmental centers, take out their army and be gone. That can be done with aircraft, we shouldnt need any marines or army in their. If they attack with terrorist, we just lob a few more bombs at them, they will get the picture sooner or later. War should not be politicaly correct.

And sorry Mehran for speaking like that about your country, but your whole "OOOmagawd u Yanks better fear Iran we will CRUSH YOUUU" nah, just makes people think your crazy. Your a country the size of one of our states, and we have never lost, to say we will now is wrong, will we loose men? sure, but thats war we will get over it. I dont want to go to war with Iran < With this administration anyways, bunch of fools > but you guys seem to want it as much as we do.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
And sorry Mehran for speaking like that about your country, but your whole "OOOmagawd u Yanks better fear Iran we will CRUSH YOUUU" nah, just makes people think your crazy. Your a country the size of one of our states, and we have never lost, to say we will now is wrong, will we loose men? sure, but thats war we will get over it. I dont want to go to war with Iran < With this administration anyways, bunch of fools > but you guys seem to want it as much as we do.

how ignorant can you be. your split in Iraq and Afghanistan. there is no way for you to invade nor attack another country ever since you made up your mess and now you have to clean it up. Your people are against the war and your already suffering politically in the war your having right now. try lookin up at the news and see how the US is being so diplomatic nowadays towards Iran.

Oh please, Who is Poland to say whats military possible? Apart from that its people like you Mehran that give Iran the image of a country full of nuts?

try lookin up at the news and see how the US is being so diplomatic nowadays towards Iran.

So, You'd rather the US stormed in guns blazing? Come on, how long do you really think Iran would last on its own??? Maybe longer than Iraq. Its GOOOD that the US is talking instead of acting for once...

Damn, what do they brain wash people with in Iran? It works better than what the Americans are using thats for sure!

Meh. I don't see Mehran's posturing as any different from that of our own armchair tough guys.

But I think his point is essentially correct.
The US is in no position to embark on an offensive operation against Iran, even if Iran were the kind of threat our local militarists like to pretend.

Fortunately I think our own military is well aware of that fact, whatever the Rumsfeld/Cheney "chickenhawk" crowd wants to think.

I really don't see why Mehran shouldn't be allowed to defend his country's position: nb25 stated that Iran is scared of the US (with no evidence to support his claim) so if there's any 'flaming' going on it's by nb25 not Mehran.

This is just another example of a recent trend on ATS where anyone disagreeing with US posters is slated by a rabid pack.

Vowles - A 'country full of nuts'? - on the evidence presented here there's one country that's full of nuts and it ain't Iran!

Originally posted by Mehran

Originally posted by nb25
I think Iran will never be allowed to have nukes, or atleast we are told that.
The UN is ineffective and it seems that Iran will get the nukes. I agree that its propaganda for Iran, they are scared of the USA and they want them as a deterrent, but Iran knows, that Israel and the US has more nukes than they can ever imagine to have.

we will never be scared of you. when you supplied chemical and biological weapons to Saddam to use against Iranian soldiers we never went running home, we kept fighting because we have a proud history, an aryan history that is. You dare to touch iran and we will turn iraq into hell for your troops down there and even at your situation, there is nothing you can do to stop us.

well you guys in Iran need to wake up, your president is a nut!! anyway, I am sure the CIA is working from within to have another revolution in Iran. If operation Ajax worked in 1953, I am sure we can overthrow another Iranian govt!


I am very sure America can stop your country!!! we also have a very proud military tradition as well.

If operation Ajax worked in 1953, I am sure we can overthrow another Iranian govt!

Yeah that's really something to be proud of, overthrowing the democratically elected leader of another country

And I doubt the US is going to have any luck ousting the current Iranian government, the nuclear program is hugely popular in Iran. The Iranians may not like the mullahs, on the other hand I am sure they have no ambition to be a US puppet either. Especially considering the last US-backed coup ended up putting a repressive dictatorhip into power.

Yet another thread moved from WoT for unclear reasons - surely it wouldn't be because the original poster had an anti-US position would it?

That could never happen on ATS - could it ??

In purely military terms, yes, the U.S. could invade, defeat, and occupy Iran. So this Polish guy is wrong.

Politically, that would be one of the stupidest things we could do. If Bush does it during his remaining 2 years in office, that will just about guarantee a Democratic successor. Nevertheless, I think he just might do it.

Why? Same reason we invaded Iraq: Peak oil. If the U.S. can corner a sufficient percentage of what oil production remains before the prices shoot through the roof, we can arrange a continued flow of cheap oil for some years after the rest of the world is experiencing shortages. This will allow us some more time to invest in alternatives and improved efficiency.

That's the real reason we invaded Iraq. Everything else is just excuses and window-dressing. And the same reason would suffice to justify, in Bush's mind, an invasion of Iran.