Ok, am I the only conservative who is embarassed by his own party?

Seriously people. Being a republican nowadays means taht you're

1. Pro-gun
2. Pro-death penalty


I disagree with all of thge above, am I the only conservative who has these viewpoints?

[edit on 6/13/2006 by Free_Man]

Not at all Im a conservative and Im against the death penalty and im opposed to trickle down economics and espessially big corporations. On the other hand I am big Pro-Gun and I'd go as far as to call myself radical in my Pro-Life beleifs.

yeah I am definitly radical in my pro life beliefs as well

I'd say I am too, but the GOP is no longer my party as they have stopped being conservative and supporting the Constitution.

They support the Federal Reserve.
They support Social Programs.
They support US/Mexico/Canada being one country over time (and are making the moves), which translates to they support one world government.


There are tons of reasons the GOP has left us. Find a new party, the old ones broke and they ain't fixin it.

Revolution anyone? Isn't it about time, we haven't had one in over 200 years

Well, I had a snappy reply ready, but Crazy Jethro said it all.
Both political parties in the US feed at the same trough.

It's gotten to the point where the parties care little or nothing about what We The People care about.

Originally posted by Free_Man
I disagree with all of thge above, am I the only conservative who has these viewpoints?

Much depends on what you define a conservative has.
Given that I dont know what your stances are on other issues its a diffcult question to answer. It is possible to take what would be a conservative stance on some issues without being a conservative as such.

[edit on 22-6-2006 by xpert11]

You shouldn't be embarrased by your party the Republican you be proud to be apart of one of the proudest partys in American history the Lincoln party a party of equal opportunity you should be proud.

I don't think you should be embarrassed. There are plenty of people who in the conservative wing of the American politics who are aghast at this administration. As CJ said, the party's are broken and we need a third (or forth or fifth) way. One of the great weaknesses of the American system of politics, in my opinion, is that it is not truly multiparty. Even people on the left (including me) don't really have a home in the Democratic wing. We need several more strong parties so that everyone's voice can be heard. This would help, I think, force people across the ideological spectrum to actually work together to form a viable government after elections are over. Look at Europe, you have maybe 5-10 differnent parties that are forced to come to the table and compromise in order to get ANYTHING accomplished. I think we need about the same thing here. Allowing one party (either one) dominate the government allows for the abuses we saw in the 70s and 80s with the Dems and in the 90s and the 00s with the Repubs. Not being forced to be civil and compromise creates a party who runs roghshod on the opposition and more frighteningly on the Constitution.
I am sure Wm. F. Buckley, a great conservative intellectual, is mortified by how the "party of Lincoln" has become the party of maximalist religiousity.
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It's funny. One of the things that makes our economy one of the strongest isn't practiced in our political realm. Competition, people get fat and lazy and they sit there waiting for the other to screw up and capitalize on errors. They force out new parties like a monopoly in a market. In the mean time the parties morals relax (with respect to themselves) and don't follow their own ideals. I'm absolutely disgusted with both the Repubs and Dems because they've got so far from their ideals that they don't necessarily represent what they originally stood for. I consider myself a conservative by the American definition, but it seems most of the party has left its ideals behind. I know Bush doesn't represent the Repub party very well. Ok, at all. But, it seems politicians get into office and lose their minds. More on that later.

Originally posted by Free_Man
Revolution anyone? Isn't it about time, we haven't had one in over 200 years

Agreed things have been to calm on the home front. Shall we get the party started?

But really I am conservative, strict constitutionalist and full supporter of Natural Rights. I think gun control is an upmost important freedom, so that if a man decides to take over or imply marshal law I can fully defend myself from agression.

Very much for the death penalty, which I think needs to be sped up and to unclude all repeat sex offenders. We need a fast lane.

I am very pro-choice because it is protected as a natural right under the constitution.

Both political parties disgust me with how they carry themselves.

well im a registered (r) but im for enviromental causes. im for pro choice, and i dont believe that war is the answer to everything, but ...i do believe in the moral fortitude of the right and im tired of political correctness grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, and the lefties just whine and whine and whine so its more that i hate the left ALOT so i am independent i guess

As a pro-life conservative, I left the Republican Party years ago. After voting a near straight republican ticket for a couple of elections hoping to effect a change in the abortion issue, I learned that the party only drives that issue in the months prior to a major election.

In the last election, the straight marriage amendment was one of the major issues. Shortly after the election, the whole issue was dropped until just recently. I learned that the Republican Party strokes the church every 2 years in order to draw that conservative vote, but that they're just as corrupt as any other politician in Washington, DC.

Morality in politics? It's all for show.

Today, I look for morality in my church and pastor. I look for fiscal responsibility in my government and political leaders.

I am a conservative too - have always voted Rep. My first time to vote was 1972 when I voted for President Nixon and I cried when he resigned.
BUT I've decided that NEITHER party has integrity and character we THINK we are electing. SO WHAT do I do? I look at my state candidates and there are only 2 - 1 Dem and 1 Rep. What if I CANNOT vote for either - what is an American supposed to do to vote with a good conscience? I didn't vote for EITHER Rep. candidate for Govenor in the primaries cs' they BOTH suck.

The only thing I'm embarrassed/pissed off about is the lack of fiscal spending restraint and the lack of protecting state's rights over the federal government. These used to be pillars of Republican doctrine until the Republicans got total control of the federal government.

The christian right bothers me because they seem to want to push their beliefs off on everyone in the country--with force if need be. Career politicians bother me because they have stopped representing their constituents and started representing either themselves or their big money donors. The move towards centralized government bothers me because it takes away peoples choices. The lack of sound fiscal policies bothers me because eventually we will have to pay the piper. The seemingly easy willingness to use military assets to achieve foreign policy goals bother me because we use up our finest young people and embitter many more. I suppose I could go on, but what's the point? The liberals, if anything, are even worse.

You know, I can't remember the last time I was truely proud of our federal government.

[edit on 21-9-2006 by Astronomer70]

I dont want to go down the road of telling Americans who to vote for but as what has been noted on this thread the Republican party is what it is and given that the Dems dont have any values and there opinions change with the direction of the wind any thrid party/ independent candidate with a reasonable track record must have a lot of appeal.

American voters could argue that voting for a thrid party /iindependent candidate is a wasted vote you have to remember that unless enough people vote for thrid party/ independent candidates nothing will change in either party.

Originally posted by Free_Man
Seriously people. Being a republican nowadays means taht you're


what did you expect???

your leader is a fraud

#1 he did EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to evade going to viet nam himself
(but wants US to go to war)

#2 in texas he borrowed money to buy the texas rangers (his share$800,000)
then had TAXPAYERS build a new stadium for them
then sold his share and took 14+million$ of the taxpayers money
(doing the same thing with YOUR social security money)

#3 won the 2004 election by telling everyone that::
if joh

n kerry gets elected he will raise the price of gas by 50 cents a gallon
but he TRIPLED the price (to his benefit)

#4 is selling out the american public for a profit for his buddies (out sourcing)

#5 look deep into karl roves past (the great deciever /aka the beast)

#6 did the same things that the enron execs did with his first few oil adventures,
and now ALL OF OUR TAX MONEY
we went from a SURPLUS to largest deficit EVER!!!!!

#7 masturbates in a coffin, and worships an old indian skull ,and ADMITS IT
(should be locked up in a straight jacket)

but yeah, all of this was ok to you, you got him elected

and now because of him we have::
more than 2000 soldiers DEAD, and counting

3000+ (and counting) wtc civillians dead (so they could implement P.N.A.C.)
please read it, it says "we need a new PEARL HARBOR to get america behind us"

more than 100,000 severely wounded/disabled us troops
(doesnt include those dying of gulf war syndrome/ depleted uranium)

more than 250,000 iraqis/afghanis dead (mostly civillians)

and dragged the rest of the world into it (to keep OUR troop death toll down)


they now say we went to war because of democracy (3rd or 4th reason)
bulls...t!!!
why then didnt we go to DARFUR, or south africa, or.........again, bullsh..t

can no one think for themselves anymore????

you all must jump in and believe every word people tell you
WITHOUT looking into it yourself first........

hey, hey.......georgie boy wants us to go jump off a bridge.....

p.s. gotta be careful now,
if you protest against him you are labeled a TERRORIST
will be held indefinately without trial

remember he said " if youre not FOR us you are AGAINST us"
from what i've seen so far that includes PROTESTORS too

and with theese new LESS LETHAL (torture devices)
and new homeland security rules

ANYONE, who is against HIM will DISAPPEAR and goto a death, i mean detainment camp

such anger, and opinion on a matter that you are obviously not familiar with: Conservatism.

Fred_man is right, he is not the only Conservative out there that is disgusted with their party. Even Conservative to the bone senators like McCain and Chaffee have went against Bush policy. They have even went as far as to say that this administration is incompetent. Which it is anyways.