Biometric National ID Card and Detention Centers

It is important to preface this by underlining the fact that this excerpt is directly from the mouth of Bush. This is not political spin, this is not left vs. right, this is what the President of the United States wants to implement from his own mouth.

www.whitehouse.gov...

But when we catch illegal immigrants from other countries, it is not as easy to send them home.For many years, the government did not have enough space in our detention facilities to hold them while the legal process unfolded. So most were released back into our society and asked to return for a court date. When the date arrived, the vast majority did not show up. This practice, called “catch and release,” is unacceptable – and we will end it.

We are taking several important steps to meet this goal. We have expanded the number of beds in our detention facilities, and we will continue to add more. We have expedited the legal process to cut the average deportation time.

Emphasis by me. Does anyone think he is just refering to established prisons, or am I the only one that see those various empty detention facilities coming on line?

Yet businesses often cannot verify the legal status of their employees, because of the widespread problem of document fraud. Therefore, comprehensive immigration reform must include a better system for verifying documents and work eligibility. A key part of that system should be a new identification card for every legal foreign worker. This card should use biometric technology, such as digital fingerprints, to make it tamper-proof. A tamper-proof card would help us enforce the law

Huge step from national ID card for all of us to "track illegal immigration"? Yeah....

Even Rush Limbaugh and other diehard follow-Bush-into-Hell pundits and supporters are rightfully outraged over the speech and window dressing of the issue. If he really felt this way about it, why wait until now? My personal feeling is that its all part of a slow, measured and calculated agenda to institute the national ID biometric card and climatize the populace to these programs.

[edit on 16-5-2006 by Violent]

This starting to become somewhat outrageous...

Can you provide the external link please?

I heard the speech. Like a good 'merican that i am.

I caught both the "new card" as well as the "fact that we didnt have enough room"

ha!!! So, now we do. Its the mark of the beast and summer camps for unruly

people, not necessarily just "Terrists"

Yes, we are on our way.

Absolutely - that came from the transcript of the presidential speech last night.

Again, those words came directly out of the mouth from Bush. Directly, that is not political spin - those are his own words.


Edited original message to clarify this.


[edit on 16-5-2006 by Violent]

Will the first step in RFID people-chipping start here with anyone wishing to become a 'legal immigrant' having to take the implant? I caught the last part of Bush's 'national address' on BBC news24 last night and the hairs on my neck stood on end.

A key part of that system should be a new identification card for every legal foreign worker. This card should use biometric technology, such as digital fingerprints, to make it tamper-proof.

I dont see the problem with issuing foreigners with this cards. I think this should also be done in the UK. No card, no entry. Found without a card in the host country, detention until you have pleaded your case then chuck them out if they have no valid reason to be there. It will help keep illegals out and legal migrants can immediately prove they are entitled to work and live in the country.
Im British and went to work and live in the USA for a couple of years, my application and visa process was extremely tight I had all the background checks, home and international searches on police databases checked, fingerprinted and photographed and interveiwed in the US embassy. And after all that some of my co-workers were still questiond at passport control and had to explain every detail of why we were entering and had to prove we had a sponsor in the US who could be held responsible when we hit the US even though we had all the neccesery documentation.

If we had all this security in the UK i reckon it would help combat the unknown number of illegals that are roaming about in our country by catching some of them on entry and at least track how many people are coming in but not leaving.

Enough of my rambling and veering away from the subject, I do disagree that nationals in there own country should not have to carry ID cards or in the future RFID chips, in my opinion if you can show any officials some kind of ID such as a driver license or something similar that should be sufficient. I reckon it is our right by birth in our own nation to walk the streets freely without being tracked or forced to carry a compulsory card. Immigrants however should understand it is a condition they will have to comply with to be given the privilege to work in another country and in the longrun it would also have benifits for them as they can prove to any prospective employer that they are legally entitled to work for them as in the UK at the moment any employer that takes on illegals will be prosecuted so it would benefit both parties involved.

Just my thoughts on it.

[edit on 18-5-2006 by Oakley]

Originally posted by Violent
We have expanded the number of beds in our detention facilities, and we will continue to add more. We have expedited the legal process to cut the average deportation time.

Emphasis by me. Does anyone think he is just refering to established prisons, or am I the only one that see those various empty detention facilities coming on line?

It sounds to me like he was talking about expanding beds in existing facilities. Remember, he did state the case for the failure of the current "catch and release" policy. He has a valid concern.

A key part of that system should be a new identification card for every legal foreign worker. This card should use biometric technology, such as digital fingerprints, to make it tamper-proof. A tamper-proof card would help us enforce the law

Huge step from national ID card for all of us to "track illegal immigration"? Yeah....

There are several families in the US who have made many millions of dollars by supplying forged documents to their "clients". I cannot remember the family names, but they are quite rich.

Forged documents make it next to impossible for an employer to verify the status of a prospective employee. That is a reason why the law cases against employers fail too often.

An un-forgeable ID would take that excuse away from them, as well as provide verifiable evidence of status. Nobody is talking about "chipping' people here. Don't fall for the drama.

How does one tell the difference between citzens, legal and illegals by just looking at them? There are adults in the US with no ID. Any identification document can be forged including chipping.

Eventually, we will all be required to have on our person, at all time, some type of ID. It is the only way those in control will be able to determine whom to put in those detention camps. Unfortuneately, by then there will no nolonger be any us(the good guys) or them (the bad guys). We will all be them.

They are already using biometric id cards. I know lots of spanish people that were just awarded green cards, and they all had to have thier finger prints taken by a digital scanner. At least in new york thats how it is.

Originally posted by jsobecky

It sounds to me like he was talking about expanding beds in existing facilities. Remember, he did state the case for the failure of the current "catch and release" policy. He has a valid concern.

Ohh, I found a few articles that might be an interesting read.
news.pacificnews.org...
Why Detention Centers are a bad idea - Word Doc

WASHINGTON, D.C.--As a lawyer who worked for eight years with thousands of immigrants detained in the Arizona desert, I have seen the devastating, and ultimately ineffective, results of our repeatedly enhanced enforcement-only immigration laws.

The Arizona facilities are part of a network of over 200 detention centers located in communities across the country for detainees going through deportation proceedings. These facilities are largely hidden from public view. In the name of national security, the U.S. government pays billions to house a ballooning population of immigrants.

Next week, the Senate is likely to pass legislation creating monumental changes in immigration policy. This new legislation would go a huge step further and turn what has been a nightmare for some into a gulag for many. Among these changes, illegal presence would be deemed a felony, and so would acts of helping undocumented immigrants.

An un-forgeable ID would take that excuse away from them, as well as provide verifiable evidence of status. Nobody is talking about "chipping' people here. Don't fall for the drama.

There IS no un-forgeable ID, there isn't going to be. The RFID and national ID card movements both here and abroad (read: England) have faced huge criticism and been shown to be exploitable and not secure.

www.cato.org...
www.cato.org...
www.eff.org...
www.privacy.org...

I heard that Bush really favors a retinal scan but when he said it , it came out rectal scan and ever since his head been up his a**. Maybe he can straighten that out before they complete the wall. I heard he's going to get Pink Floyd to help with it.