Irans big surprise

I was listening to coast to coast am last night and this guy Whilliam Thomas was talking about thereason that Iraq didn't have wmds is becasue they were all given to iran in 1990. Not just wmds and bio weapons, but the former head of Iraq’s long-range ballistic missile program has gone to Iran. Also high-ranking figures involved in prohibited weapons research and development have also gone to Iran. So if this guy is right they have had around 15 years to develop nuclear wepons.


Heres a link to his website for more info
www.willthomas.net...

it is a well known fact Iran has a chemical and bio logical capibiltiy for decades
and unlike their counter part they havent used them even when they were attacked with those weapons.

Iraqs Invissible WMDs seem to be poping up in a lot of places

Originally posted by bodrul
.....and unlike their counter part they havent used them even when they were attacked with those weapons.

Iraqs Invissible WMDs seem to be poping up in a lot of places

you cant have it both ways bodrul.....either he had them and used them on iran and the kurds and managed to hide them someplace outside of the country before the US invasion, or he never had them and bush lied. you cant use their existence for an argument in your favor and then turn around and use their non-existence for the same reason (especially in the same post). make up your mind.

During the first war against Iraq, Desert Storm, Iraqi Air Force jets avoided facing destruction on the ground (and in the air against U.S.A.F. fighters) by making high speed, supersonic runs to Iran. At the time, it really didn't make much sense, in spite of the numerous reports. After all, Iraq and Iran had waged a long, drawn-out and very bloody war against each other. Nevertheless, there had been too many reports that substantiated these reports.

With this in mind, it is not too difficult to believe that, like the Iraqi Air Force, Saddam would have rather sent any W.M.D. to Iran than have them fall victim, so to speak, to the U.S. and coalition forces. If this is the case then, indeed, Iran may have already possess a nuclear weapon. In the very least, it is possible that scientific material may have been passed to Iran by Iraq to keep the information "within the Muslim world" and out of U.S. hands.

Originally posted by snafu7700
you cant have it both ways bodrul.....either he had them and used them on iran and the kurds and managed to hide them someplace outside of the country before the US invasion, or he never had them and bush lied. you cant use their existence for an argument in your favor and then turn around and use their non-existence for the same reason (especially in the same post). make up your mind.

then i will make it clear for you
durring and before the first golf war right up to 1997 when nato forces started bombing miliary instalations Iraq did have WMDs,
those were later distroyed by the UN and Iraqi's after they caved in from the bombings

I dont think iraq gave the wmds to iran because the husein regime was not in good relations with iran, the 2 countrys have been in conflict before and there was too much of a diference betwen them, the husein ruling was not based on a religios factor while in iran it was, iranian leaders never liked sadam husein and sadam never liked them, I dont think they trusted each other, it's the same story with allquaida and sadam husein, they never shared a commun point.
This is just a pretex and people know it.
If iran has such things it has them from other places or has made them, but surely they dont have them from iraq, iraq nevr had such things after the desert storm operation in the 90's, it's my personal opinion, none of the surounding countrys liked sadam.


[edit on 9-5-2006 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by bodrul

then i will make it clear for you

durring and before the first golf war right up to 1997 when nato forces started bombing miliary instalations Iraq did have WMDs,
those were later distroyed by the UN and Iraqi's after they caved in from the bombings

really? got some proof of that? because the UN made it very clear that he was obstructing them from removing his WMD.

source
Throughout the 1990s, Iraq engaged in a policy of obstruction, concealment, and outright harassment of UNSCOM weapons inspectors — all designed to hide and preserve a significant portion of its infrastructure, warheads, stockpiles, and expertise related to its WMD programs. An October 2002 report from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs, states:

Baghdad's determination to hold on to a sizeable remnant of its WMD arsenal, agents, equipment, and expertise has led to years of dissembling and obstruction of U.N. inspections. Elite Iraqi security services orchestrated an extensive concealment and deception campaign to hide incriminating documents and material that precluded resolution of key issues pertaining to its WMD programs.

UNSCOM finally withdrew permanently from Iraq in 1998 after determining that Iraqi harassment and duplicity made it impossible for inspectors to continue their work.

now dont get me wrong, i was against the iraq war from the get go, and never agreed with the reasons used to go in. but you know as well as i do that saddam had WMD. the only real question is who he gave it to.

like i said, you cant use their existence to support one argument, and then turn around and use their non-existence to support another argument. thats called hypocrisy.

nuclear weapons or ufos....
Nice pic of jessica alba...hehehe

This whole thing about Iraq sending wmds to Syria or Iran is just a neo-con cop out.. they look stupid since they guaranteed that these weapons were there so they invent some more ridiculous bs..the weapons that Iraq was suspected of having were just chemical anyways, chemical weapons degarde after 3-5 years so the UN was really just searching for toxic waste..nothing Iran or Syria would want, they can make their own garbage if they want it. The Iranian nukes are another story .. there is a really interesting video on informationclearinghouse.com about how the Israeli facility operates.. gives you an idea of how difficult it is for a country like iran to manufacture nuclear weapons.. not very

Originally posted by snafu7700
like i said, you cant use their existence to support one argument, and then turn around and use their non-existence to support another argument. thats called hypocrisy.

read my reply again



feel free to read through these

there are links on the right which shows other articles

[edit on 9-5-2006 by bodrul]

Originally posted by bodrul
read my reply again

and you can read mine again.

from your source:

After several days of wrangling, the UN Security Council agreed to the destruction of the VX gas left behind by UN weapons inspectors (Unscom) when they withdrew from Baghdad last year.

"The remaining task of destroying seven vials of VX standards was completed yesterday after instructions were received to that effect from (the UN Security Council in) New York," he said.

so they destroyed samples they themselves had left behind, not iraq's WMD.

When the UN's weapons inspection and destruction process began in Iraq after the Gulf War, the Iraqis initially denied that they had been working on VX.

Subsequently, they admitted to having carried out research, and finally conceded that nearly four tonnes of the agent had been produced.

But Baghdad has consistently denied having deployed VX in missile warheads - what the Americans call "weaponisation".

lets see, iraq was claiming that the UN was intentionally trying to frame them and that they never had any, and then they admitted that they had it, but never deployed it.

come on bodrul, just admit that they had the WMD. everyone knows this, the only question, as i mentioned before, is what they did with it between the time the inspectors left and the US attacked.

but i dont think it's in iran....personally, based on reports from many different sources, i believe it's buried in the syrian desert. of course, i cant prove this....its just MHO.





[edit on 9-5-2006 by snafu7700]

Originally posted by snafu7700
come on bodrul, just admit that they had the WMD. everyone knows this, the only question, as i mentioned before, is what they did with it between the time the inspectors left and the US attacked.

i will say this once they did have WMDs during the Iranian/iraqi war and GW1 to 2000.

i cant find the source which shows it
but i clearly remember watching barrels of chemical agents being destroyed on ITV news and BBc news (i doubth they were samples of sheer size)

before the US attacked
the Un inspectors said there were no evidence of wmds apart from rusty bombs which they had found (that havent been touched in years)

everyone knows the WMDS iraq had was destroyed

Personally Snafu,

I don't even believe it matters if the US ever finds Iraq's WMD's here is why.

First off, for all the liberals in the room that didn't pay any attention to the build up of the Iraq war here is what happened, readers digest version since I know you guys love that anyways.

The first premise is correct, we did go to war with Iraq over WMD.

What Bush stated, and what the U.N policy was dictating to Iraq at the time was that if you choose to allow full Inspections to U.N. Inspectors and if they are allowed to monitor you continuosly, into the future, the U.S. and allies will not attack.

What happened?

Iraq first fought U.N. Inspections as hard as they could eventually giving into the U.N.'s wishes. Eventually Saddam gave in allowing a team of U.N. inspectors inside Iraq. However, these inspectors were never allowed complete access like the UN Resolution Required them to be. They were never allowed to search all areas they requested to search!!! Since Iraq did not meet its part of the deal they knew that their might be consequences. Unfortunately, at the time Russia was giving bad information to Saddam telling him that the U.S. are just bluffing and will not attack. Saddam believed the Russians and the rest is history.

Although there has been continued violence since the official end of the war compare this to another war throughout history. You will soon find that the U.S. has won this war unconditionally and that the losses have been minimal to other wars.

What happens with Iraq now?
This is the ongoing debate. Although the Iraqis are taking their sweet time while American Soldiers are dying in the streets of Baghdad they are slowly building a democracy in Iraq. I personally believe part of the reason Iraqi Politicians are taking their time is to give time to the Iraqi Military. These politicians know as we do that the longer the Iraqi Soldier spends with his American counterpart the better! Once the Iraqi's have their own government and military established that is when the war will be over and that is when it will be time for our troops to come home!

As far as Iran's big surpise,

I think it will probably look something like this!

www.geocities.com...

www.noelheikkinen.com...

I predict that late in 06 early 07 Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will die by decapitation by roundhouse kick!

Originally posted by bodrul
everyone knows the WMDS iraq had was destroyed

really? then why is it that no one can find any evidence of the destroyed substances? we know what he had, because we sold it to him. no traces of it whatsoever except a few warheads with residue? there should have been something to show that he had what was sold to him. nothing, nada, zip. they simply vanished.

he got rid of them alright, but it wasnt by destruction. they were hidden somewhere outside of the country.