What happened to all the "miracles" from the bible?

Originally posted by Savonarola
I'm beginning to wonder whether God performs miracles anymore... what with the explosion of child porn,
Or maybe God's nature isn't all soft and cuddly like the fundies would have us believe...

-S

I just posted this on another topic. The world around us, people and environment, is the result of mankind rejecting God. We are experiencing what a world without God is like, that is why things are the way they are.

I don't know what fundies you are talking about expressing that all is well. All is not well, things and people are out of whack. But Jesus Christ came and died and rose again to bring us back to God. There isn't a need for another person to die in their sin, since the option of having them forgiven is available to all. If someone chooses eternal seperation from God then that is a choice they have made. People are more important to God than anything else so Christ came. Now at a certain point He is going to return and deal with the rest of all that is wrong and a PEFECT universe will exist forever.

I agree there are many things happening that are extremely bad, but they are man's fault.

You know what I wonder, how many awful things have entered the minds of people and those people were going to carry them out, until God stopped them. Some day we will know all that God prevented mankind from carrying out.

Originally posted by Toadmund
Well, I guess his word, edited and re-edited, taken out of context, made more sellable, misunderstood, added to, and given poetic license is good enough then.

That's the same old excuse everybody gives for not believing. That holds no weight.

What I am saying is that a lot of what you currently believe may change as more gospels are found, or restored or printed for general consumption.
Are you unwilling to change your beliefs if more stuff that concerned Jesus Christ was found?
Yes, if it supports your beliefs, or No if seems to you (like them) heresy?
Do you want to know the whole truth, or edited truth?

That's the 60 buck question.

Originally posted by truthseeka
We all know about those incredible miracles from the bible.

My question is, what happened to them? I think it would pretty crazy to see some of those miracles today. I would love to see ANY of the following miracles:

A sea split in half long enough for a bunch of people to walk across the ocean floor.
The sun suddenly stop its "path" through the sky (I mean for like a few hours, of course

).
The Nile River turn into blood.
All the water in a country turn into blood.
The firstborn of an entire country die in one night (I wouldn't want to see people die per se, just an incredible event actually occur).
Someone walk across a lake/river/pond/etc.
A burning bush talk.
A snake talk.

...Well...what happened? Why don't we see these miracles anymore?
[edit on 2-5-2006 by truthseeka]

They don't happen as often or as powerfully because the many discarnates - often in Group Entities - that powered and empowered them have weakened over the centuries. We are in the end times when the old gods (which were just large Group Entities) will eventually be officially replaced by new gods - true God Realized Masters - who will have the ability to manifest much more impressive, more powerful, and consistent miracles

We don't have that much longer to wait.

Originally posted by Toadmund
What I am saying is that a lot of what you currently believe may change as more gospels are found, or restored or printed for general consumption.

The thing is believing in God/Jesus is far more than just reading and digesting what is in the Bible. It crosses the line to KNOWING there is a God/Jesus. This happens because God's prescribed way to know Him is through placing faith in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins. When that happens God/The Holy Spirit literally comes and lives inside that person. If you live with a person(let alone that person lives in you) they will have an influence on you if you let them. So God will confirm what is true and what is not true.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
They don't happen as often or as powerfully because the many discarnates - often in Group Entities - that powered and empowered them have weakened over the centuries.

Hello Paul Richard, fellow mystic!

Is it your understanding, as well, that with the 'changing of the guard,' so to speak, that the nature of the true miracle is somewhat morphing, as well--as with all things, adapting and creating new (in a way, new, but really nothing is new) renditions of making the impossible, possible?


This is what I understand, currently: as we, the whole human race, evolve spiritually on our individual levels, the physical world we mold as a whole constantly redefines what we consider 'impossible'--and I feel that the Creative forces of God act as a guide which is suited according to where we are in our (again, as a race of humans) progress toward realizing the other side. What I mean by that is: the 'miracles' of the past were not the same sort of miracles that would best serve the same purpose in our present time.

To give an example: healing physical ills and physically resurrecting dead souls.

If our certain objective at this point in our history is perhaps similar to the following:

*to sever ourselves from false dependency upon egoistic perspectives compounded by a fruitless pursuit of material gain and status...
*changing our point of focus from what's right in front of us to that which is a bit down the way (from physical reality to spiritual reality which is what will remain ever after)...
*to learn that the ultimate law for all life is love
*and above all releasing the hold that mortal fear binds us with, causing all that we call sin and vice in the world...

Then,
to continue to raise people from physical death is completely counterproductive to the overall goal!

How can we lose our fear of death if we are shown, by the acting hand of God among us, that reversing physical death is a 'miracle?'
If demonstrations occur that encourage us to stand still or even regress (so to speak) then how can we overcome?
How can we follow Christ to life if we refuse to leave this one?
The path to life is not physical, but spiritual.
To continue to focus miraculous manifestations on the physical world is not advancing the human race, as a whole.

2000 years ago, these sorts of miracles (I'm talking about the health and death sort) were perfect demonstrations of the true power of our God...but that was in the days when these conditions were beating us so bad we could not even approach our fear, much less overcome it.

Primarily, it's hard to become a spiritually mature person if your natural life ends just about the time you're reaching your natural, mortal maturity (because it must always come first)!

Now we have achieved technological advancements in the field of health care that have brought us to a point where many people actually clinically die for a small period of time and then, because of resuscitative measures we are now capable of performing with frequent total success. Those that tell of their own such experiences are perhaps all that could truly qualify as 'eye-witnesses' supporting the fact that there is, indeed, an 'other side,' a God who is the manifestation of love beyond our comprehension, and that it's meant for all of us, regardless of religious delusions...

We don't have that much longer to wait.

Yes. Isn't it awesome?!?

Originally posted by Toadmund
Are you unwilling to change your beliefs if more stuff that concerned Jesus Christ was found?
Yes, if it supports your beliefs, or No if seems to you (like them) heresy?
Do you want to know the whole truth, or edited truth?

Good question! I doubt very seriously dbrandt will give you a direct answer--he's a good guy but indoctrinated. I'm a bit fond of him even though he probably despises my relentless opposition to his ideas. So I'm kind of being a jerk in replying in this fashion, but you never know what might be a break of light through the dark clouds for him, or anyone else, for that matter!!

I say this because everything I've ever learned that was startling and often required a re-evaluation of my particular perspective at the time--was proven later to be solidly reliable and consistent--but usually totally outside of the tight and illogical boundaries religion (namely that which is called christianity) would prefer that we adhere to. And when I share those things, dbrandt (and some others here at ATS) immediately and (it seems) rather automatically react with certain predictable rebuttals.

And, mind you, I can support what I share with the bible, and I don't mean in the fashion of cutting and pasting this and that verse to fabricate support for already-established opinions, but rather in the same fashion in which these things were revealed to me, as I studied for the truth. In my 'studying for the truth,' I have
not restricted myself in any fashion, as far as what I take in, information-wise--but without committing, either privately or to others, on anything other than my trust in God for being the source of all truth, I haven't felt the need to seek out justification of any sort that my trust was valid. Therefore my attachment to present truth never precluded further seeking of more complete (and non personal) truth, since I didn't stake my personal image on whether or not I was 'right' or 'wrong' about God.

Those rebuttals I mentioned, however, are never supported in like manner--although certainly this is totally not understood or detected by the one providing said rebuttal...and, truly, I don't expect it because it's just where they are at. The only time anyone's particular state of 'where they are at' becomes a problem is when 'where they are at' is 'where they remain.' Stagnation is certain death.

Those rebuttals, as well, have actually done me a great deal of good in my own journey, because it is those very catch-phrases and widespread accepted 'truths' that I sought to prove, in my recent years of earnest and intense studying of the bible. If the church people say there is going to be a rapture, then I wanted to know a little more about it than just what they say is so. and Etc.

So I searched in the scriptures for the proof of what everyone seems to feel is certain fact (not what I wanted to believe was fact, but that which the majority of christianity holds as 'true')...and that which I've found makes sense and dissolves the contradictions and confusion (as well as totally discounts christianity in the capacity the world thinks it serves). It was certainly not what I expected to find, either. My applecart has been overturned more times than I can count. In no case have I found christianity to be upheld by the message in the bible, when properly discerned. (borrowing a favorite phrase from Galileo Galilei)

Yet most good christians want to prove me to be (at the worst) some sort of devil-spawned new age diva out to undermine the world's welfare (spiritually speaking, that is) or (at the least) a confused wannabe saint... :shk:

Whatever I may be--and certainly my experiences are similarly shared by other individuals, as well--I am definitely not someone with all the answers, special favor or privileges from God, or even magic abilities of any sort: there is no redline hotline batphone to God in my room, you'll be surprised to note--I'm basically just a regular Ms. Josie 6-pack...

Nevertheless, perfunctorily ruling out what I say based on non-conformity to firmly established christian dogma is not even getting close to censoring one's exposure to 'extra canonical' sources of scripture and texts or even 'testing the spirits, if they are of God'...

For there is enough 'extra' information in the bible about Christ that is totally overlooked, disregarded, or mutated by the christian religion to change anyone's mind about the 'truth' if they trusted God enough to lead them to it (rather than the so-called christian leader/evangelist types educated not by God but by other men in seminary school). And if it doesn't shuffle a person around quite a bit, for some time, as far as what they 'believe' about God, then I can say with certainty that one is not really reading it at all for the purpose of seeking God, but rather seeking false security through retroactive validation of those superstitious attachments that assuage the usual human set of mortal fears.

That's the 60 buck question.

Gosh, surely it's worth more than that, honestly answered...

Originally posted by queenannie38
Hello Paul Richard, fellow mystic!

Hi Queenannie38,

I don't believe we've discussed anything before, at least not this time around.

I stated:

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
They don't happen as often or as powerfully because the many discarnates - often in Group Entities - that powered and empowered them have weakened over the centuries.

And you responded:

Originally posted by queenannie38
Is it your understanding, as well, that with the 'changing of the guard,' so to speak, that the nature of the true miracle is somewhat morphing, as well--as with all things, adapting and creating new (in a way, new, but really nothing is new) renditions of making the impossible, possible?

Sure.

A very clear way of looking at it is that the paradigm shift entails a major upgrading of values. A shift from the traditional emphasis on being part of a basically spiritual group consciousness of angels (at best) to the harder path of evolving beyond the angels and even the small number of discarnate Saints in order to become a Co-Creator after physical death. When that occurs and there are true Ascended Masters in existence, not only will the miracles of old be duplicated but new and much more powerful miracles of telekinesis and healing will then be possible

The Mormons believe that spiritual souls have the potential to evolve to the point of being able to create their own idyllic world.

Same idea.

But there are stages in getting there. Most of the new Masters who have yet to Ascend are Magi who will manifest superior bodies for themselves, not Elders who are capable of manifesting a planet after Ascension. The principle is the same. It is all a matter of degree.

Solist Mystics and our discarnate Saint guides, The Society Of Light, provide the 'how to' in becoming a Co-Creator: the innovative approach to raising consciousness called Heart Chakra Radiance. This innovative process emulates the approach that The Original Creator (who initiated The Big Bang) had for rarefied spiritual development billions of years ago.

Originally posted by queenannie38
This is what I understand, currently: as we, the whole human race, evolve spiritually on our individual levels, the physical world we mold as a whole constantly redefines what we consider 'impossible'--and I feel that the Creative forces of God act as a guide which is suited according to where we are in our (again, as a race of humans) progress toward realizing the other side. What I mean by that is: the 'miracles' of the past were not the same sort of miracles that would best serve the same purpose in our present time.

I'll go along with that.

Originally posted by queenannie38
To give an example: healing physical ills and physically resurrecting dead souls.

If our certain objective at this point in our history is perhaps similar to the following:

*to sever ourselves from false dependency upon egoistic perspectives compounded by a fruitless pursuit of material gain and status...
*changing our point of focus from what's right in front of us to that which is a bit down the way (from physical reality to spiritual reality which is what will remain ever after)...
*to learn that the ultimate law for all life is love
*and above all releasing the hold that mortal fear binds us with, causing all that we call sin and vice in the world...

Then,
to continue to raise people from physical death is completely counterproductive to the overall goal!

Just bringing common people back from the grave is indeed a spiritually counterproductive use of one's Ascended God Force energies.

However, if that person has a stable Dominant Aura Color of sky blue or white (i.e., is a Saint), and that person is coming back to serve others as a guide, teacher, etc., then I see it as something of a progressive and positive nature.

I remember Nostradamus' prophetic passage that touches upon this...

Century 10, Quatrain 74

The year of the great seventh number accomplished,
It will appear at the time of the games of slaughter:
Not far from the great millennial age,
When the buried will go out from their tombs.

I believe that he meant the above in a literal context. The highly evolved Masters and their Saint companions will come back as the result of the Masters' use of The Light Of The God Force.

It is predicted to take place not far from the millennial age (the year 2000) and after the great seventh number has been accomplished.

The great seventh number is 2005.

2005 = 2 + 0 + 0 + 5 = 7

Originally posted by queenannie38
How can we lose our fear of death if we are shown, by the acting hand of God among us, that reversing physical death is a 'miracle?'

Actually, it is not being on the Other Side per se which is bad in and of itself. It is the dying that is usually frightening and traumatic.

We should not fear being dead, as that is our natural state. We should concern ourselves with living a spiritual life and the ramifications of that after we have crossed over. We should replace our fear with the courage to live by The Golden Rule and serve others while we Radiate love and compassion daily - with an emphasis on purity and humility in order to develop spiritual stability.

Originally posted by queenannie38
If demonstrations occur that encourage us to stand still or even regress (so to speak) then how can we overcome?
How can we follow Christ to life if we refuse to leave this one?

None of us have any choice. When the body dies, the soul leaves regardless of what we want.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Now we have achieved technological advancements in the field of health care that have brought us to a point where many people actually clinically die for a small period of time and then, because of resuscitative measures we are now capable of performing with frequent total success. Those that tell of their own such experiences are perhaps all that could truly qualify as 'eye-witnesses' supporting the fact that there is, indeed, an 'other side,' a God who is the manifestation of love beyond our comprehension, and that it's meant for all of us, regardless of religious delusions...

Yes, NDE research has skyrocketed in recent decades.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
We don't have that much longer to wait.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Yes. Isn't it awesome?

Very much so.

People need miracles. They need miracles to believe and they need miracles to be inspired.

The miracles to come will outshine anything this world has ever seen. Like, for example, the healing of millions of people at once of terminal affliction.

Yeah...

Just like I thought. No reasonable explanation for the lack of miracles today. All I've seen is...

God doesn't need to do miracles because we have the bible now.
People are too wrapped into technology to notice a miracle.
Only "saved" people can see miracles.
We're in the end times, so there's no need for miracles.



Point by point...

Toadmund has already pointed out the bible editing, along with the new Gospel of Judas.
Yeah, maybe people are SMARTER due to science and technology so stuff that people thought were miracles back in the day can be better understood.
The Israelites with Moses weren't "saved," yet they saw NUMEROUS miracles in the flesh and STILL didn't believe in bible god.
Yeah...we've been in the end times...for the last 2000 years.

Too bad, I thought I would get a reasonable explanation for the lack of miracles from the people who follow the bible. The only stuff that made sense came from the non-bible followers.

If I went around talking about a giant dragon that was gonna destroy the world and told you I knew this from an old book I read, would you look at me like I was crazy? When NO ONE has seen a dragon today? (Fire breathing, giant, winged dragon, not dirty-mouthed, orange-tongued Komodo dragon).