christ returns!

Alas,
sorry for the earlier misunderstanding.
I meant in the context of the people who are on the very wrong side of the line in relation to the morals they are supposed to uphold (eg corrupt church ministers, etc)
I understand there are plenty of dedicated christians, but the public eye only sees the corrupt/hypocritical ones
i meant kill them =p

forgive yourself for as men we all have differing views, as you are entitled to them...
but the respect showed to fellow posters is much appreciated...

Originally posted by browha
Alas,
sorry for the earlier misunderstanding.
I meant in the context of the people who are on the very wrong side of the line in relation to the morals they are supposed to uphold (eg corrupt church ministers, etc)
I understand there are plenty of dedicated christians, but the public eye only sees the corrupt/hypocritical ones
i meant kill them =p

There are plenty of dedicated people who aren't Christian too. You can find the whole spectrum of people in all PATH's. Some nice, some not so nice. The big guys just have more to choose from that's all.

Jesus would probably be horrified to see all the morbid people carrying around crosses, like they're all ready to do it again next chance they get. That still strikes me as the most morbid and bass ackward "symbolism" I've ever seen. Did any of you xians ever think that maybe that's the reason why he hasn't returned? I mean, would you? It looks more like a lynch mob cult, to me.

Why do we have Photos???
Do we worship the photo?
Or do we have the photo there to remind us of the person or image depicted in the photo?
The Cross is a symbol of Christianity .
It reminds us of Christ and His resurrection......He is the New Adam and the New Covenant...
A Cross IS JUST A SYMBOL AND NOTHING MORE!

The Cross also symbolizes the conquering of DEATH that
was brought by the falling away from God in paradise..the Old Adam would be created anew. The Lord�s Crucifixion was in a garden because Adam was deceived in a garden in Paradise. The bitter drink which the Lord tasted on the Cross healed the tasting of Adam.

Representing Holy week and the meaning ..link below.
www.3saints.com...

Also symbolism was actually what Jesus Christ told the Apostles to do in REMEMBRANCE of Him.....The Last Supper was the institution of the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, the Divine Liturgy, At the meal, Jesus Himself had instructed the disciples to "do this in remembrance of Me" (1 Corinthians 11:24).


The Passover Meal was a very important, annual event. It was a meal of thanksgiving. During the meal the Jews remembered their deliverance by God from Egyptian bondage. The meal also pointed to the future fulfillment of the Lord's promise to deliver Israel from all its enemies. During the meal a specially slaughtered passover lamb was eaten; bread broken and wine was distributed to everyone at ritually ordained moments.

It was precisely during this last Passover Meal with His disciples that Jesus revealed Himself as the Fulfillment of all that the Jews had both remembered and anticipated. He was the final passover lamb, "the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world" (John 1:29).
The breaking of the bread pointed to the imminent breaking of His own body and the shedding of His own blood on the Cross, "for you and for many, for the remission of sins." He was the ultimate deliverance from all bondage.
He was the new and final Passover, the Passover from death to life and from earth to heaven (Ode 1, Paschal Canon). To this day the Orthodox Church calls both Christ and Easter by the Greek word, Pascha, the Passover.

www.3saints.com...

I have news for you all,

Christ is already returned.

Originally posted by THENEO
I have news for you all,

Christ is already returned.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I'm sorry, but that was downright funny. Excuse me, are you delusional? How many fingers?

i have a divine set of ten fingers why the question?...

the christ body wanted me to tell all who share his love good night...

He's sleeping on your couch, isn't he?

Christ returns?
When was Christ ever thier...(cough, cough)
JK.

I still stand by my views, it would not make this world a better place.

Though I would care not if Christ would return nor would any other religion who do not follow Jesus I believe.

My religion does not care for any returning Guru's.
They left thier worlds and that is all that matters, the context of thier infinite wisdom, thier morale and values taught through those words are the Guru's return alone.

Though I can be quite sure that if any were to return it would be to slap society on the back of the head, and look down with dismay.
Deep

and his resurgence is right on time, what a good fellow...

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
If Christ is who we are meant to believe he is, he would now be fully aware of what is said and done in his name, and on his return his righteous wrath would not be believed; he would be summarily executed by some trumped-up goon squad, like the first time around.

Hmmm...consider this...

On Christ's second time around here & considering that he's already likely to be quite *aware* of how people are, what makes you think he'd come back & leave himself vulnerable to *any* goon squad (no matter how much it's been "trumped up") to end his mission before he's finished it himself?

Originally posted by helen670
God commands Moses to prepare holy oil and anoint the tabernacle with it: it shall be an holy anointing oil.

Were you aware that this was an old Egyptian custom that's older than Moses? Yes, Moses grew up in Egypt, was raised like an Egyptian & quite possibly even a regular attendant of the royal courts; Much of what Moses contributed to the old Herbrew religion had its basis in Egypt...

In particular, the "annoiting with holy oil" was a common ceremony performed on an Egyptian who had just gained some new job-title by the Pharoah. It was done to symbolize the person's new authority under Pharaoh.

Moses' obsession for cleanliness & the long list of "clean foods" are a couple of noteworthy examples of what he "added" to the religion...So it makes one wonder if that was something that God actually told Moses to do or is it something that Moses told everyone else that it's what God said?

Originally posted by helen670
Those that go on making smart remarks about the Church being all man made do not know the great significance of the word CHURCH.....

So, is this true?...Or merely something that *someone* with power in the early Church wanted everyone to believe & made sure that "Scripture" got ammended to include this?...

You decide.

Originally posted by bigsage
i believe that if one chooses to ignore the divine right of a persons soul, and continues to judge other lives based on textual facts written in a book and then corroborate those judgements based on CHRIST's life one would be safe to assume that they are not actually following the Great Father or their soul but the views and judgements of other persons....

This is *exactly* what the basis of "Organized Religion" is & always has been. By following the tenants of what *someone else* thinks of God, you are only becoming more attached to that person or organization & less attached to God. Do your own research & see the actual origins of the "dogma" that The Church promotes for its own favor. Contemplate your own view on who & what God is to *you*; Don't let anyone else dictate what you learn & believe; If you do, than your faith is not in God, but another human & human-based organization. No one needs to go to a church or talk to a priest to find God because if you can't find God from within yourself, then you won't find Him in a building or in the words of another human being...But The Church *wants* you to believe that you need it; If the Church taught the *real* truth, they'd be putting themselves out of a job.

Organized Religion is merely someone else seeking to interpose themselves between you & God. That's what Hell really is...You being seperated from God & it's always been instigated & promoted by the organization of religion itself.

Originally posted by ZeroDeep
Though I would care not if Christ would return nor would any other religion who do not follow Jesus I believe.

Perhaps what is meant is that Christ would not be returning *in the body* per se, but more as a growing & spreading of his beliefs & morals upon the population...If it's not Christ himself who faces the anti-christ, it would then be those of true faith, in hordes, who would be rising up to stop the machinations & break the control of the anti-christ.

Originally posted by bigsage
actually he never left...
and his resurgence is right on time, what a good fellow...

If you carry the spirit of the divine within yourself, then this is closer to the truth than Organized Religion would be willing to admit. In a case like this, there would be *no* goon squad able to stop the Spirit of Christ. The "ruling elite" are *always* vastly outnumbered by the "oppressed peasants"...The only way to stop such overwhelming numbers would be to destroy the whole of the world itself (or, at least, destroying the world's ability to support human life at all).

The "ruling elite" are not likely to go that far because they'd be destroying themselves as well...They're too greedy for their own lives & power to understand what "self-sacrifice" means.

Originally posted by browha
Well..
what if christ came back to earth? what do you think he would see of the church etc?

I think he shoul;d get the angel of death and kill the fking lot of them... so much corruption..

I think he would tell it like it is, and tell us how the Bible was SUPPOSED to be read, and not misinterpreted as it is by many. He/She would also try and bring peace to everyone and I really believe World Peace would be achieved.

bigsage,

agreed he never left.

but he was not always in a body here that is the difference.

not easy to explain.

he is in hiding and he will surface when the time is right just as the anti-christ will.

Jesus Christ is hiding NOWHERE!!!
When He comes, He will be seen by all mankind......not to live here amongst us again....He came and He will again ......To judge the living and the dead....as it sais in the Creed......His kingdom shall have no end!

www.fr-d-serfes.org...

The above link also has early Church fathers speak of the Antichrist....

helen....



[Edited on 10/21/2003 by helen670]

is this what you believe?...

Originally posted by bigsage
is this what you believe?...

No He has not left us!
He will not be returning as many expect Him to be returning!
He will be seen in the clouds and witnessed by all of mankind!
When this happens..It will be ''THE END OF THE WORLD'' as we know it...
helen.

is this what you were taught...
where what verse...
your tone and direction is pretty negatively patterned, are you a disinformation agent playing sides...
well you have been busted, scram beat it, dirty agents...