In lodge ritual

What is that in lodge ritual done when your a member?

Its very odd/scary to experience. Can anyone tell me how its done?
Not reffering to degree ritual of course. Seething energy is the best i can describe???

Could you rephrase your question as it doesn't make any sense to me?

From the seething energy comment, I can only assume you are referring to the "black magic powers" masons are reported to have.

Sorry to dissapoint you. No seething energy in any ritual ive been part of.

Originally posted by nsawantsmedead
What is that in lodge ritual done when your a member?

Its very odd/scary to experience. Can anyone tell me how its done?

What is 'it', that 'thing' that occurs in lodge rituals?

You speak as if you have been invovled in lodge rituals as a member, what lodge are you in? Regular/irregular, etc?

He appears to be trying to paraphrase author Manly P. Hall, from his book "Lost Keys of Freemasonry":

The day has come when Fellow Craftsmen must know and apply their knowledge. The lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion, which places the energy of the universe at their disposal. Man can only expect to be entrusted with great power by proving his ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare. Incessant vigilance over thought, action, and desire is indispensable to those who wish to make progress in the unfolding of their own being, and the Fellow Craft's degree is the degree of transmutation. The hand that slays must lift the fallen, while the lips given to cursing must be taught to pray. The heart that hates must learn the mystery of compassion, as the result of a deeper and more perfect understanding of man's relation to his brother. The firm, kind hand of spirit must curb the flaming powers of emotion with an iron grip. In the realization and application of these principles lies the key of the Fellow Craft.

A couple of things are obvious here, not the least of which is the fact that Hall wasn't talking about anything that happens in a ritual (in fact, Hall wrote this book thirty years before he himself became a Mason, and had never set foot in a Lodge room when the book was published).

At the time he wrote this Hall was a Theosophist, and used the Theosophical language "seething energies of Lucifer" to refer to solar consciousness, or enlightened understanding. Such a thing occurs only through study, meditation, and proper living, not through acting out rituals (although it is possible that Hall could have been correct that some of the rituals symbolize such enlightenment).

To add-on; gaining control of the "seething energies of Lucifer" also refers to getting control over the Sexual Force, which is always a must in all the authentic Yogas and Religions.

It is the basis of the "Renunciation" aspect of the Path of Initiation in Buddhism.

Which, in turn, also makes it the basis for "Generating Bodhicitta" and "Right View"(or rather, that all three are reciprocal).

(As Manly P. Hall mentioned in above quote)


Because "The Foundation", or entrance to the Tree of Life(Yesod) is closed to fornicators.

That is why a "Flaming Sword" and Cherubim guard the entrance.


For more on this; see what Eliphas Levi wrote in his "History of Magic" regarding The Astral Light.






[edit on 25-4-2006 by Tamahu]

As Samael Aun Weor says in his "The Perfect Matrimony::

"Fornicators receive no Initiation".


And his "The Mysteries of Fire: Kundalini Yoga":

"The unchaste Yogi fails totally."


Without the "Jasmine Flower Drops"-in the Alchemical language of Tantra-generating Bodhicitta(the aspiration to achieve enlightenment for all sentient beings) is greatly impeded.


Which Fulcanelli says in the language of 'Hermetic' Alchemical language:

"Without it, without this mercury, drawn from our Magnesia, Philalethes affirms, lighting the lamp or the furnace of the philosophers is useless."

Buddha asked his disciples the following:


Tell me, O disciples, when is a disciple no longer a disciple?

And Sariputra answered, "The good disciple must not break his vow of chastity. Whosever breaks his vow of chastity is no longer a disciple of Sakyamuni."

Sky Dancer : The Secret Life and Songs of The Lady Yeshe Tsogyel:


About speech: concentrate upon mantra and energy flows - Without energy control your sexual activity is fornication; Properly execute the exercises of 'drawing up' and 'saturating' And with the nails of your imagination apply an hermetic seal.

About mind: identify the conditioned mind with seed-essence itself; If seed-essence is lost in actuality The karma of slaying a Buddha is incurred;
At all costs gain self-control.

Absorb yourself intently in the experience of desire, For without it the mysteries have no meaning; Desire as pure pleasure is the goal fulfilled. Preserve constant cognition of the primal purity of experience; Protect the samaya like your body and life, For if it is broken there is no authority to restore it.

The foregoing is advice upon meditation practice.

So, indeed, gain control of the Astral Light or seething energies of Lucifer at all costs; whether it be through Pranayama or Sexual Magic(of the Right-Hand Path).

Listening to Classical composers such as Beethoven, Mozart, Liszt; or listening to traditional religious music of Tibet, Sufism, etc.; creating art, or physical activity such as sports or martial arts(without getting too extreme), will also help one to sublimate or transmute.



Regards