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posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 06:41 AM

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Greetings Darkmind
In accordance to your post i have this to say .

Originally posted by Darkmind.

I'm not sure where you heard this, but there are no clouds on the moon. It's too small to hold an atmosphere that would sustain clouds and there is nowhere near enough water, except in some of the craters on the poles where comets have (it has been postulated) deposited it.

Darkmind , My thoughts on the subject of clouds on the moon have been set right and corrected by ATS member jra earlier in this thread and for this i am thankfull.

Originally posted by Darkmind

1. No plans have ever been found for such rockets. The biggest German rocket was the A-4, better known as the V2, and that was a sub-orbital device that could be blindly aimed at large targets like London. Even then it was crude and nowhere near as sophisticated as something like a Titan or a Saturn rocket. The electronics were 1940's spec, so no computers. Plus the first prototypes kept blowing up in mid-flight in 1942-43, until they spotted the flaw in the debris. A larger version was planned - to get to New York, not the moon. Again, it would have been sub-orbital. Not enough range, power or velocity to get into space, let alone the moon.

Darkmind ,Once again i have researched this subject earlier in the thread .
Post Number: 2129592 (post id: 2154628) or you can look at my post by clicking Here
The nazis did not travel to the moon using a "rocket" of any kind
they used german made rocket powered saucers the were of the Miethe and Shriever design , later to be called Vril craft due to the Vril Society's help in the construction of these craft.
As for your "No plans have ever been found for such rockets" statement, that is absolutely true ,WHY? Because as i said earlier in this post, they didnot travel via rockets.
However feel free to have a look at these plans and pictures of the Vril Craft.

So there are your plans . ALSO if you would like to read more about the Vril Craft and there society as well as see some more plans and pics then click here.

Originally posted by Darkmind

2. A secret base in the Antarctic? Where for heavens sake? And above all how did they get it there? The South Atlantic was patrolled by British ships out of Simonstown and the Falklands. How would the raw materials for this base get transferred there, through this cordon of ships? Hell, how would they get through the North Atlantic? And where would the personnel come from? Construction workers and so on

Well , These British ships were not the only ones in the south atlantic , In 1946 German U Boats were spotted off the coast of Argentina heading directly towards Antarctica , Why? i dont know ,Perhaps so that some high ranking German scientists could start construction of a secret base and/or possibly escape justice after WWII in 1945?As for your statement about how did the personell get there, Todays technology gives us equipment and vehicles that could fly all over the world undetected , We even have planes that can fly at mach3.3 and become space born at
the will of the pilot , and can also come down whereever the pilot chooses.
One such example of a craft like this is called the Ascender

There are more planes and jets with this capability that could be equiped with harrier like landing gear and even perhaps stealth technology and who knows what else.
Just because you cant see something doesnt mean it is not there

I will answer your Q as to where a base would be in my next statement

Originally posted by Darkmind
3. Antarctica is not forbidden territory. It is protected by International treaty from exploitation. If you wanted to go there to look for Nazi bases you can. Just wrap up warm, it's bloody cold. And covered in ice. Not the best place for a secret base to launch rockets, which tend to be delicate flowers with a tendency to go boom if you aren't careful.

The Antarctic Treaty not only forbids explotation and use of its natural resources but also forbids any structual developement on Antactica . Why? maybie they dont want the developers to dig too deeply into the ice and stumble on something they are trying to hide.

just a thought .I think i have explained that rockets probably arent involved, though throw a lit match on a brick and watch what happens? things can be done to protect grounds and objects from certain types of damage .

Cheers
Omega85

jra

posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by Omega85
Perhaps so that some high ranking German scientists could start construction of a secret base and/or possibly escape justice after WWII in 1945?

Firstly, you'd want engineer's, not scientists, building and constructing things. Secondly it would take a lot of resourses to build and maintain a base down there and to do it undetected would be even harder. One could use U-Boats to bring people and supplies, but they are very limited on how much they can carry, they are also very very slow.

As for your statement about how did the personell get there, Todays technology gives us equipment and vehicles that could fly all over the world undetected,

Yeah, today's tech, but not 1940's tech. And even then, what we have today is not totaly undetectable.

We even have planes that can fly at mach3.3 and become space born at
the will of the pilot, and can also come down whereever the pilot chooses.

The YF-12/A-12/SR-71 could go mach 3+, but it's no longer flying. It wasn't able to go into space. There are no other currently manned aircraft that can fly as fast. Perhaps there are some classified aircraft that can, but all information on them would be speculative at best.

One such example of a craft like this is called the Ascender

So far they only have pretty renderings and scale models. It's not flying yet.

There are more planes and jets with this capability that could be equiped with harrier like landing gear and even perhaps stealth technology and who knows what else.

There are no known planes/jets with that capability. Any stealth tech becomes quite usless when you're a giant flaming ball of plasma when re-entering the atmosphere

And as for Harrier like landing gear. I assume you mean it's thruster nozzles that allow it to take off and land vertically. You can't really just slap these on to any kind of plane. Plus the bigger the plane, the bigger or more powerful the engine will have to be and the more fuel it will use. It wouldn't be too economical to do on a larger aircraft or on a space carft for that matter.

Just because you cant see something doesnt mean it is not there

Nor does it mean it is there. All one can do is speculate. There is nothing wrong with speculation, unless it gets in the way of facts.

The Antarctic Treaty not only forbids explotation and use of its natural resources but also forbids any structual developement on Antactica.

There are lots of known bases and stations in Antarctica, all built by various Countries. So I think you are incorrect about that. Here's a list of some of them. www.newzeal.com...

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Omega85

posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 10:58 PM

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Originally quoted by jra
Firstly, you'd want engineer's, not scientists, building and constructing things. Secondly it would take a lot of resourses to build and maintain a base down there and to do it undetected would be even harder. One could use U-Boats to bring people and supplies, but they are very limited on how much they can carry, they are also very very slow.

jra , how r u?
Your statement about engineers and not scientists is understood , allthough would it not be wise to send Both scientists and engineers? I never said that they didnt send engineers i just said that they might have been scientists, but now that i think about it there very well might have been both .
In relation to your statement about resources, Antarctica is absolutely loaded with natural resourses which is outlined in the treaty that exploitation or use of resources is banned, though that dosent mean that the engineers and workers that were building a secret base couldnt have used them,If this base is secret after all , then why not??Back then it is true that U boats could b used to bring people and supplies
yes even though there loading and passenger capabilities were limited , if u had enough of them, they would b veryhandy.
Now have a look at these maps . This place is absolutely huge.
Antarctica is a big place and in the 1940s and 1950s onwards to maybie the early 70s, i doubt that anyone would know what was going on there .

Originally posted by jra
Yeah, today's tech, but not 1940's tech. And even then, what we have today is not totaly undetectable.

Yes jra , Todays technology is not fully undetectable but pretty close to it.
It is however Deniable and events that happen It is Proven can be covered up by the media and the government .
As for 1940s tech , I think the public would have been worried about more important things then Antarctica, after all there was a war going on and then they were busy rebuilding and putting there countries back together.

Originally posted by jra
The YF-12/A-12/SR-71 could go mach 3+, but it's no longer flying. It wasn't able to go into space. There are no other currently manned aircraft that can fly as fast. Perhaps there are some classified aircraft that can, but all information on them would be speculative at best.

Yes , But there is technology that we dont know about , like you said Claissified technology would be very hard to research and it would be speculative allthough
just because something is speculative doesent really mean that there is not some level of accuracy about it .

Originally posted by jra
So far they only have pretty renderings and scale models. It's not flying yet.

As i said this is only an example . If this company can build such a craft then who sais others cannot build a craft along the lines of it??

Originally posted by jra
There are no known planes/jets with that capability. Any stealth tech becomes quite usless when you're a giant flaming ball of plasma when re-entering the atmosphere And as for Harrier like landing gear. I assume you mean it's thruster nozzles that allow it to take off and land vertically. You can't really just slap these on to any kind of plane. Plus the bigger the plane, the bigger or more powerful the engine will have to be and the more fuel it will use. It wouldn't be too economical to do on a larger aircraft or on a space carft for that matter.

Yes there are no KNOWN planes or jets with that capability (to the general public anyway)but there could be classified aircraft WITH this capability. I guess you are right about not being unnoticed when the craft enters the earths atmosphere But this was only a thought of mine and there are other means of long distance undetected transportation such as a stealth enabled submarine ( and who knows what else is available ) As for the thruster nozzles i doubt anyone would care about economics when it came to a secret,hiding something and a coverup.

Originally posted by jra
Nor does it mean it is there. All one can do is speculate. There is nothing wrong with speculation, unless it gets in the way of facts.

Perhaps you r right jra , but if all one can do is speculate then how do they know if there getting in the way of the facts?

Originally posted by jra
There are lots of known bases and stations in Antarctica, all built by various Countries. So I think you are incorrect about that. Here's a list of some of them. www.newzeal.com...

jra i wouldnt call these bases, stations perhaps but they are there for environmental research only. As this treaty explains .
these are tents and capsules , i would not call these "bases"
these r ok because they r4 research.
Omega
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Omega85

posted on Apr, 28 2006 @ 11:18 PM

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Greetings all
I just wanted to say that i ran out of space in my previouse post .
For those of you who wish to read the official Antarctic Treaty Click here .

I found this out doing some research
In 1998 the entire east coast of Australia was put on high alert due to a massive earthquake that occured in Antarctica measuring an astounding 8.1 on the Richter scale.
The east coast of Australia was put on high alert because of the threat of tidal waves ,
arfter the Tsunami didnt arrive the police and Australian Army called the alert off.
What i think is strange is that there are absolutely no plates at the south pole.
could there be something going on there that caused this quake??
i dont know but i sure would like to find out .

I look forward to your replies on this and i welcome your opinions and thoughts

Many thanks
Omega85

TheHorseChestnut

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 12:11 AM

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There is a such a thing as mid plate earthquakes, they do happen, albeit rarely.
Seismic activity is recorded around the planet and Antartica is no excpetion. Let's not forget it is a volcanicaly active area. Mount Erubus for example is considered active.

Antartica does sit on a plate called the Antartica plate.

Omega85

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 12:22 AM

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I didnt think there were any tektonical plates there??
i might have to look it up .
but could a volcano make a quake measuring 8.1?
i also never read anything about eruptions in 1998 there

TheHorseChestnut

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 12:31 AM

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Mount Erebus in Antartica is classified as continuous eruption. They are frequent. The last being around October 18th 2005 . As far as 8.1 Iam not certain. Will have to research that. There was an 8.1 on Macquire Island in the Antartica region in December 2004. Check this link.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Omega85

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 12:39 AM

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interesting .
that wasnt on Antarctica itself though?? there are no buildings there?
or were they talking about the buildings in tasmania?
I bet these dudes have the answers to our questions

As for researching it i agree i think we should .

Omega

TheHorseChestnut

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 12:48 AM

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Agreed.

Antartica is the last really unexplored and understood places on earth. We probably know more about Mars then this place. It is isolated. Very restricted. Area 51 has nothing on this place. (Just try to get to Scott Admunsen Base at the
South Pole)

Omega85

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 06:18 AM

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Ok it is agreed
research on the topic of Antarctica will be done.
So
On that note people , lets get back onto the topic in general shall we?

Omega

toogood

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 03:57 PM

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Hi Guys

I think I found more evidence on this matter. It is a truly interesting read with pics.

I recommend that you all check out these links:

www.marsanomalyresearch.com...

www.marsanomalyresearch.com...

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police_officer339

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 04:11 PM

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Well the Antactica connect bears more reading and research, but if we are being monitored by beings with intergalactic capabilities, why not just stay on the moon instead of coming here and risking exposure?
Perhaps Antarctica is more along the lines of Area 51 and it is "our" people not wanting us there?
I still think the biggest, best question is "why have we not gone back to the moon?"
With our technology the trip would be nothing compared to the previous trips. I read somewhere that the last trip to the moon was done using an onboard computer at about the power and sophistication of a commodore 64.
Still not sure where I stand on the German rocket issue yet. Got anymore info Omega?

jra

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by police_officer339
I still think the biggest, best question is "why have we not gone back to the moon?"

The simple answer is, money and an extreme lack of it. The Apollo program costed $25.4 billion -1969 Dollars ($135-billion in 2005 Dollars). NASA's budget isn't nearly that big right now.

They also need to get contractors to design and build the vehicles, so there are all the R&D costs. But NASA does have ideas of what they want.

en.wikipedia.org...
www.spaceref.com...

Omega85

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by toogood
Hi Guys

I think I found more evidence on this matter. It is a truly interesting read with pics.

I recommend that you all check out these links:

www.marsanomalyresearch.com...

www.marsanomalyresearch.com...

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Greetings toogood

Thank you for your post it was an interesting read indeed .
I have a few questions regarding it though, if u wouldnt mind that is.
1 . The person who put these pics on this website seems to have tampered with the pics, apparently to make certain areas stand out more i am thinking .Do u think it could have caused minor distortions in these pics??.
2.Has anyone else found this infomation?? i would imagine that with all the study done on the moon by Moon researchers both official and skeptical alike that someone
(if they found this) would have published it somewhere.what are your thoughts on this?
3.Is it just me or do these images seem abit pixelated and/or distorted?
I will however say that i found this image interesting . i wonder what it could be?
i photo fault? a camera fault? or could this be really up there?

Let me know what you think on this .
I would like to hear everyones opinions on this not only from ATS member toogood but from all other posters as well.

Many thanks toogood for an interesting read .

And Many thanks everyone for your contributions to this thread. i appreciate and respect all your veiws

Thank you

Omega85

police_officer339

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 10:08 PM

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There does look to have been some "photoshopping" done. But that does not take away from the value as long as it was only enhancement and not fabrication. I am not techy enough to tell the diff.

Looks interesting though...very interesting

Omega85

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by police_officer339
Still not sure where I stand on the German rocket issue yet. Got anymore info Omega?

Bellow is a artists conception of the nazi flying disc.

Greeting police_officer339 , i hope you are well.
In response to your post i have done a little more research on this subject and it is trully a fascinating read .

www.unmuseum.org...
Some of the earliest stories about German flying saucers date back to an inventor named Victor Schauberger. Schauberger was born in Austria in 1885 and was considered by many to be a crackpot. Schauberger himself said, "They call me deranged. The hope is they are right..." Schauberger believed that machines could be designed better so that they would be "going with the flow of nature" rather than against it.
One of Schauberger's projects was to produce a flying machine, saucer shaped, that used a "liquid vortex propulsion" system. His theory was that "if water or air is rotated into a twisting form of oscillation, known as a 'colloidal,' a build-up of energy results, which, with immense power, can cause levitation."
According to stories Schauberger built several models (right), one of which was almost five feet in diameter and was powered by a 1/20 hp electric engine. Some reports indicated that one of the models actually flew. There are also reports that, according to letter Victor Schauberger wrote to a friend, a full-sized prototype of one of his designs was constructed using prison labor at the Mauhausen concentration camp. This craft flew on February 19th of 1945 near Prague and obtained an altitude of 45,000 feet in only 3 minutes. The letter goes on to say the prototype was destroyed by the Nazis before it could be captured by the Allies.
After the war Schauberger moved to the United States, where some contend he worked on secret projects for the U.S. government. He died in 1958, apparently claiming his ideas had been stolen.
Another German designer involved with the Nazi effort during the war was Rudolf Schriever. Schriever, along with some other engineers named Habermohl, Miethe and Bellanzo, apparently came up with several disc-shaped aircraft designs that used more conventional power sources than those Schauberger envisioned. One of Schriever's drawings shows an egg-shaped cockpit surrounded by a rotating fan-like disc that provided the lift. A Mieth drawing depicts a smooth flat saucer with an elongated hump on its back for the cockpit. Both would have been powered by jet engines.
As with Schauberger, there were reports that some of these designs were actually built. The Schriever machine was said to have been tested in 1945 and to have reached an altitude of 12 kilometers in a little over three minutes. It had a top speed of 2000 kilometers an hour.
There is no real, solid evidence, though, that a test flight ever took place and Schriever himself, who relocated to the United States after the war, indicated that any prototypes of the craft were destroyed, before flying as the Germans abandoned their facilities in the face of advancing Allied troops.
Stories also persist that the Germans's also had developed small automatized flying discs. One version was called the Feuerball. Another, capable of vertical takeoff, was referred to as the Kugelblitz. According to stories, these craft were only armed with devices designed to interfere with the electronics of nearby airplanes.
So were there really any German disc-shaped aircraft? It seems likely that there was certainly some experimentation with the concept within the Reich. Disc-shaped aircraft have several advantages, including low stall speed and low drag, even at high speeds. The rounded shape can also lower the craft's radar profile making it "stealthy." For these reasons German designers did consider using disc shaped aircraft, as did the U.S.

The Above Image Is One Of Schauberger's Plans and models.
I would recomend u go to link above and tell me what you think

Notice that in my first post there is said to be a disc design of the miethe type??
after reading this and reading more about this Mr Miethe it really got me thinking .
Tell me what you think Officer and i will find out more for you .
thanks for the request too as it was an very deep and interesting read for me

I would like to here all thoughts on this and i respect everyones opinion.

Many thanks
Omega85

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toogood

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 10:36 PM
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I can't say for sure if they have been tampered by the website owner. But I have been reading his other topics and according to him the government/NASA/MSSS have a secrecy agenda. Thus he says that they knowing use smudge tampering(whatever that is) to hide certain aspects of a picture.

If anyone wants to look at other pics of those areas just enter the Lat/Long. I used
Lat:0 Long: 318 here:

www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil...

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police_officer339

posted on Apr, 29 2006 @ 11:00 PM
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First let me say..I am NO engineer...

Now with that said, if saucer shaped vehicles have such advantages, why are there none in use today?
Are they that difficult to produce?
Mildly off topic...sorry

jra

posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 12:16 AM
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Hopefully you won't mind if I reply to some of your questions.

Originally posted by Omega85
1 . The person who put these pics on this website seems to have tampered with the pics, apparently to make certain areas stand out more i am thinking .Do u think it could have caused minor distortions in these pics??.

The images are heavily .jpg'd. Full of compression artifacts. You can look at them on the official site here. The images are not much better though. www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil... Go to the "Clementine Lunar Image Browser" link to view them. The lines or banding or whatever you'd want to call them are just what happens when you put rows and rows of images together.

3.Is it just me or do these images seem abit pixelated and/or distorted?
I will however say that i found this image interesting . i wonder what it could be?
i photo fault? a camera fault? or could this be really up there?

Like I said above. The images are heavily compressed and they are rather low res. That "building" is just some sort of imaging glitch. If it were a building it would be 16km x 24km in size. There are photos taken in lunar orbit from Apollo that show that exact area. There is nothing there. You can also see that area with a home telescope as well.

Omega85

posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by police_officer339
First let me say..I am NO engineer...

Now with that said, if saucer shaped vehicles have such advantages, why are there none in use today?
Are they that difficult to produce?
Mildly off topic...sorry

Who sais there are none of them in use today??

With all the abductions and things that have been going on
i would think it strange and somewhat idiotic to make such
a massive media release saying that these sought of craft exist in public society.
Think about the public, i think they would go nuts over it and i imagine that
the governments wouldnt be to keen on answering the probable billions of billions of questions about these craft....just a thought.
I also found another piece that spun me out a little bit .
Have you ever heared of triangular shaped UFOS??
It has been said that the Higher Powers have made some kind of pact with the ETS in return for some of there technology (I have written about this in some of my other posts) what it exactly is on our part i am not sure but i have also looked up on UFO
crashes and it is said that the wreaks are investigated then all evidence is removed.
I believe that in Top Secret bases like Area 51 there is research going on with this crashed wreakage using reverse engineering to duplicate some of the Alien technology. People see flying saucers all the time and some claim to be abducted by them end experimented on them and so forth , i have no doubt that aliens exist myself but if the infomation on the millitary having these saucer like craft got out imagine the confusion and uproar it would cause. Some abducteed have been institutionalised because of the intensity of there claims.If i were the millitary and this was happening i certainly would want to avoid exposing these facts of saucers to anyone , due to the response i would get.
ANYWAY BACK ON TO THE TRIANGLE SHAPED craft .
Many people have claimed to have seen ufos that are of trianglular shape correct?
Well i was doing some research and i came upon something that i was really engulfed by ..........The millitary is producing craft exactly the same shape as the triangular ufos how bizzare is that ?? the difference between letting this infomation out and not the info on saucers is that there are precidents of sort of Triangular shaped craft being produced allready such as the B2 Bomber where as there are no precidents of the millitary using Disk like craft, Allthough i have heared stories of them testing these sort of craft but anyway.....The millitary deems this project under this codename Project Aurora
I would advise clicking on the link and having a look around this site aswell as the Aurora info aswell, it is quite amazing what NASA among others is up to.
Anyway my point is that I believe that being in posession of Saucer like craft would be under a high security blanket , possibly even needing MAJIK clearence to veiw any documents on it whatsoever.I think its possible that the millitary have these craft
and what adds to this is that it is proven that the scientists from WWII went to work for NASA afterwards as is explained earlier in the thread, If the German Scientists past on there infomation on the Vril craft to nasa then i have no doubt that that would have done what they could have done to make there own "Vrils"
That is just all from my brain and i know it might seem stupid but untill i do more research into it thats all i will have , unless another theory forms in my mind which i will also research
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Many thanks .

Omega85

Ps. I think we can talk about this since it has a LITTLE bit to do with the topic in general , so i think its ok .

Cheers
good post police_officer339 by the way