general weapon tech comparison(US and Russian)

i wanted to start with air defenses

-->The THAAD (Theatre High Altitude Area Defense) missile system is an easily transportable defensive weapon system to protect against hostile incoming threats such as tactical and theatre ballistic missiles at ranges of 200km and at altitudes up to 150km.

--> www.army-technology.com...

this is meads check this out its quite advanced. www.meads-amd.com... You have to see this pdf source it has much more information.

heres some more info

-->The Medium Extended Air Defense System (MEADS), is planned to replace Hawk and Patriot systems worldwide. MEADS will protect maneuvering forces and fixed installations against attack by current and next-generation tactical ballistic missiles, low and high altitude cruise missiles, remotely piloted vehicles, maneuvering fixed wing aircraft and rotary wing aircraft. The total system is designed for rapid deployment and tactical mobility.

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www.army-technology.com... if the last link doesnt work go into industry projects

Hope i got this right(quoting)
Alright the mods strictly said there is to be insulting of the US or Russia or its going to be problem and the comparison should be neutral. This thread is for atech comparison not who's win in a war against the other. so please behave and act mature.

[edit on 12-4-2006 by urmomma158]

Its sort of a layered defence so to speak. THAAD is the outer end with the PAC-3 / MEADs providing inner defence.

Its really only a matter time till laser weapons will make thier appearance as part of this. THEL is already up and running and if they can scale it up I see no reason why it cannot protect against theatre ballistic missiles.

Good post, I can't wait for you to post up the Russian systems so we can make some comparisons

heres some info on the russian sams the S 300P/V series. www.warfare.ru...

latest S400 sams warfare.ru... . The russin sams have more powerful radars(except thaad and longer engagement ranges which is the S400 once the "big"missile comes out.) I was to lazy to put in source quotes. The russian missiles have more range just because the missiles are bigger(longer wider etc) and not to mention heavier. SO its not really a big accomplishment although i belive the AEGIS is superior to any of these russian sams.

the SM 3 has a longer range www.astronautix.com...
www.designation-systems.net... not to mention exo atmospheric capability. The Sm 6 will have ultra long range as well. The range right now is pretty much secret. The An/SPY 3 radar was tested in 2003 and delivered to the navy, its an x band radar. Its being saved for the DDX . It also claims to be able to engage stealthy targets. www.globalsecurity.org... . So if you count naval air defenses i'd go with the US ones.

Tank comparison

M1A2

The M1A1/2 Abrams main battle tank is manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS). The first M1 tank was produced in 1978, the M1A1 in 1985 and the M1A2 in 1986. 3,273 M1 tanks were produced for the US Army. 4,796 M1A1 tanks were built for the US Army, 221 for the US Marines and 555 co-produced with Egypt.

www.army-technology.com...

some extra sources www.fprado.com...
www.globalsecurity.org...

T90 MBT

The T-90S is the latest development in the T-series of Russian tanks and represents an increase in firepower, mobility and protection. It is manufactured by Nizhnyi Tagil of the Russian Federation.

www.army-technology.com...
www.fas.org...

The T90 can fire all the same types of ammo and atgm's as well but i dont see the need for it(Du penetrators) since it has the same range as the missiles although penetration might be better. But i dont see the need for both.
excellent tank though

the armor prote tion levels seem to be better on the M1A2 SEP than the T90. Firing range si the same with both at 4000 meters. however M1A2 Du rounds are considered the best in the world according to global security and the fprado site provided above. www.globalsecurity.org...

The T-90 is clearly is a more capable tank given all the upgrades than the T-72/80's that did so well in Iraq. The ERA armour on the roof is a new one for me at least and shoult help with top turrent attacking ATM. Its also fitted with a electro / optical jammer as well as the Arena system.

Did the persist with the auto loader?

hmm true but explosively penetrator formed warheads and top attackmissiles with tandem warheads cans till get through. The trophy system is coming out soon. Also the Hellfire is highly counter measure resistant. So i dont think its hard to destroy just ina tankvstank battle.

[edit on 13-4-2006 by urmomma158]

Yeah, the T-90 is great, however it has a MAJOR flaw; Russia can't afford to build them for domestic use.

No piece of equipment is any good if the troops never see it. It could be 1000% better than the M1 and not be relevant if it never gets into production.

T-90 is great for those nations who can afford to buy them (are any purchasing them?) but only time will tell if Russian military ever gets them in mass.

Originally posted by cavscout


T-90 is great for those nations who can afford to buy them (are any purchasing them?) but only time will tell if Russian military ever gets them in mass.

From the above linked sourecs themselves:

The T-90S is in service with the Russian Army and the Indian Army. In February 2001, the Indian Army signed a contract for 310 T-90S tanks. 124 were completed in Russia and the rest are being delivered in "knocked down/semi-knocked down" form for final assembly in India. The first of these was delivered in January 2004. The locally-assembled tanks are christened "Bhishma". The tanks are fitted with the Shtora self-protection system and thermal imagers from Thales of France and Peleng of Belarus.

In January 2005, it was announced that a further 91 T-90S tanks would be procured for the Russian Army. 31 are due to be delivered in 2006.

Reports suggest that India intends to manufacture around a 1000 of the T-9S tanks.

I wdoubt the armor protection of the T 90 is as good as the abrams. besides the abrms can aslo be fitted with ERA scales for added protection . The new trphy system is coming out as well. no only if they revived the XM943 STAFF then that would be great! Well anyways back to the air defenses which country do u think has the edge in air/missile defense?

Originally posted by Daedalus3
From the above linked sourecs themselves:

The T-90S is in service with the Russian Army and the Indian Army. In February 2001, the Indian Army signed a contract for 310 T-90S tanks. 124 were completed in Russia and the rest are being delivered in "knocked down/semi-knocked down" form for final assembly in India. The first of these was delivered in January 2004. The locally-assembled tanks are christened "Bhishma". The tanks are fitted with the Shtora self-protection system and thermal imagers from Thales of France and Peleng of Belarus.

In January 2005, it was announced that a further 91 T-90S tanks would be procured for the Russian Army. 31 are due to be delivered in 2006.

Reports suggest that India intends to manufacture around a 1000 of the T-9S tanks.

Hey, thanks. I guess I should never pass up a chance to keep my mouth shut. I was going off information from a vehicle id. class from basic (2000)

Originally posted by FredT
The T-90 is clearly is a more capable tank given all the upgrades than the T-72/80's that did so well in Iraq.

I was a scout during the first gulf war (1/3 ACR). I remember hearing about an M1A1 stuck in a ravine. It was getting pounded by T-72's. Air support got them out of trouble and they pulled out of the ravine with 6 rounds sticking out of their armor! No dout stories like this pointed out an important vulnerabilty to both the Russians and Chinese. I believe there is also an important differance between a tank built in Russia and ones built in China. The Iraqi army had Chinese built tanks that are supposedly inferior armor to the Russian version.

Im sure I'd have been in much more trouble driving that M2A2 Bradley!

Originally posted by Earlybird
I was a scout during the first gulf war (1/3 ACR)...Im sure I'd have been in much more trouble driving that M2A2 Bradley!

I was a scout in Iraqi Freedom, 2/2 ACR. And you are right about those M2s, I sure am glad i never saw one aftre OSUT!

Originally posted by cavscout
Hey, thanks. I guess I should never pass up a chance to keep my mouth shut. I was going off information from a vehicle id. class from basic (2000)

Hehe... You really should keep posting, as often as you like, as ATS ( like all other forums) suffer from a dire lack of people who have the guts to actually talk about their mistakes and general fallibility.



Stellar

alright lets get back to the comparisons.