Japanese Pyramids

I've watched a documentary on the Japanese "Pyramids" on the History Channel, twice, however I can't find their record of it on their website, and I can't really find much information on the Japanese Pyramids at all.

Does anyone know about them? If you do; what's your take on them?

If you dont: www.crystalinks.com...

That's the best website I could find concerning them.

Thank you.

Don't know much about these Japanese pyramids, but there are 'pyramids' in China and Korea to which they may be related perhaps?

myhome.shinbiro.com...

They're not "pyramids" perse, but that's what they're called.

They're giant stone structures off the coast of a small island in Japan, they're underwater and if they're human built, records show they might be as old as 12,000-10,000 BC, and that's why the research about them is so important. This would be the oldest human-made structure, and could very well be Atlantis.

And I believe they're human-made because the edges are way too straight to be nature, a lot and a lot of 90 degree edges, and they're not randomly placed either, a lot of the structure looks like an organized area, with a stage, crowd area, market place, walk-ways, tunnels, etc.

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Thanks! I found exactly what I was looking for.

Here's some photos showing the very straight edges:








And so I think this shows evidence that it was made by humans, the whole structure, and also on the shores near this structure are more buildings, and not far a graveyard. However the graveyard is more recent, however the tombs' designs were influenced by the under-water structures.

The awesome thing is, if we can %100 prove that these are human made, and they could of only been made ~10,000-12,000BC, when the water was way below those structures, and so this could be Atlantis, but at 12,000BC, this is most probably the oldest civilization yet!

What're your guys' takes on it?


More photos:

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www.toriitraining.com...

it doesnt look very deep down? maybe it doesnt matter but just a though.

It looks amazing though, has to be man made as natural occurances would likely make it more curved and smooth. Could well be the Atlantis we're looking for, i hope it is...

This is above the water.

Japan Pyramid Ashitakeyama, is it ancient ruins or natural stone?





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Use Yonaguni in your search and the websites will cascade over you like you were standing under an elephant's rump.

These natural formations are considered by nobody to be man-made. Well, except one guy, a professor in Japan. And yes, they've been looked at. They are geological formations, not even all that rare, really, and similar formations can be found on the nearby island of Yonaguni-Jima. But the ones on the island still have the rocks that cleaved off laying at their feet.

Yeah, John Anthony West, Graham Hancock and Robert Schoch, the three stooges of pseudoarchaeology, all agree that the site as a natural formation. But of course, they also say that the site could have been used by man, you know, 10,000 years ago when it was (maybe) above sea level. But can't that be said about pretty much anything natural that you can find laying around? Find a rock in the woods: "This could have been used by early Man!"

Here's a link to what Schoch said about it, he's the geologist that put forward the theory that the Sphinx in Egypt might be quite a bit older than we think:
www.morien-institute.org...

Here's the link to Doug's Archaeology Site:
Doug's Archaeology Site
Save it please and then you'll be answering the questions, instead of asking them.

Harte

Well, many people do consider them to be natural. However just as many consider them to be man-made.

If it was one or two straight edges, maybe nature.
If it was some weird secluded place where humans probably wouldn't of settled, maybe nature.

But there are way too many 90 degree edges, perfect circles, too many square-shaped doorways, too many hieroglyphs for it to be nature, in my opinion.

exactly, i cant really think of any natural reasons how the edges could of become that straight?

Looks to me that on some of the pictures there are kind of steps aswell, unless someone finds information about other stone that has been naturally made at them angles i believe they were man made.

Originally posted by MiniYoda
exactly, i cant really think of any natural reasons how the edges could of become that straight?

You'd perhaps need to be a geologist to know that such straight lines do frequently occur in nature

In this case, the bedrock naturally fractures along weak bedding planes to form the sort of formation seen at Yonaguni. There are similar (though less eleaborate looking) outcrops on the island it self (unfortunately I can't find oany pictures on the net, but I've seen them in one of Graham Hancock's books). And we also have the testament of the only geologist to have dived down and examine the structure, Robert Schoch.

It is possible however that the rock outcrop has been altered in some ways by human agencies (as Schoch concides). There is also other possible evidence of human activity on the seabed in the vicinity.

Which simply suggests that humans with stone age technologies must have been living in the area before the sea levels rose to cover it after the ice age. And why shouldn't they have been?

Ive heard the same that those are formed naturally. But since when does nature
make each break measure the same as another as shown on a couple of pic's.
Plus there are channels in the stones that are near perfectly square like a houses gutters. Strange indeed.

Originally posted by VType
Ive heard the same that those are formed naturally. But since when does nature
make each break measure the same as another as shown on a couple of pic's.
Plus there are channels in the stones that are near perfectly square like a houses gutters. Strange indeed.

Then again, wouldn't humans make the 'ledges' all level and the 'steps' the same height - instead of all different?

Originally posted by Essan


Then again, wouldn't humans make the 'ledges' all level and the 'steps' the same height - instead of all different?

Perhaps they took the naturally occuring stones and used them in the construction of monuments. There's at least two pictures of actual staircases where the steps are basically the same size and length, heighth, etc.

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Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by MiniYoda
exactly, i cant really think of any natural reasons how the edges could of become that straight?

You'd perhaps need to be a geologist to know that such straight lines do frequently occur in nature

More frequently as I'd like, however, (when I was little I wanted to be a geologist and so I've subconciously retained some of the information, correct me if I'm wrong.) not in such a concentrated area. Mathimatically this whole area's probability of having so many straight edges in such a concentration, is immense.

HOWEVER: We must also look at other things rather than the edges themselves, past civilizations, documents of people living here, the area around this structure. There are structures that are (believed to be) as old as this structure itself, and these could not be nature because they have a very unnatural design to them, and are just in an area where there are no possible ways for rocks to erode the area into having so many straight-edges.

Sadly I can't find pictures of the area around the structure, I wish I could find the documentary I watched on these pyramids. If you watch videos of the structure, (as opposed to photos) you can just see that someone has been there. Also, many of you underestimate how big this structure is, it's very very big, and the WHOLE structure itself has natural occuring curved edges, there do exist 3 perfect holes, which are exactly ~6 inches away from eachother (work with me, I can't find enough words ).

I can help! lol Deja vu.
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Thanks for the link to the videos! I've only seen it in stills so far.

I first learned about Yonaguni a year ago and was completely on the "man made" path for a while based for the most part on the visual appearance alone. Now, I'm just not sure and I'm waiting and hoping for more people to study it. All of those right angles do give it the appearance of being man made, but nature can do some crazy things herself.

Schoch seems to be on the side of natural formation, but I noticed he based a lot of his decision on other "natural" formations that were found on dry land in the area which also seem to be of questionable origin.

I give Schoch the benifit of the doubt since he is a geologist and all, but even he seems pretty unsure if he's right.

Robert Schoch Quotes-

www.cyberspaceorbit.com...

"It's possible that natural water erosion combined with the process of cracked rocks splitting created such a structure, but I haven't come across such processes creating a structure as sharp as this."

www.morien-institute.org...

"I think it should be considered a primarily natural structure until more evidence is found to the contrary. However, by no means do I feel that this is an absolutely closed case. The question of its genesis - - artificial versus natural - - may not be an all or nothing question. We should also consider the possibility that the Yonaguni Monument is fundamentally a natural structure that was utilized, enhanced, and modified by humans in ancient times. The Yonaguni Monument may even have been a quarry from which blocks were cut, utilizing natural bedding, joint, and fracture planes of the rock, and thence removed for the purpose of constructing other structures which are long since gone."

Course I don't know if he's changed his stance to a definate yet, these links could be old an I honestly haven't been following this case too closely.

At the same time, I feel like Kimera is looking a bit too hard for proof as he seems to see it everywhere even though others don't. Here's an interview where he is talking about other statues and structures he feels he has found in that area.

www.morien-institute.org...

So bottom line for me, It would indeed be an awesome discovery if true, but I don't think there are nearly enough specialists in the fray. I really can't base a solid stance on one geologist who sounds so unsure or a Professor who is seeing all kinds of statues when all I can see is a lump of rock. Are there other sources I should be looking to? Fill me in if there are.

It is an awe inspiring sight however it was formed. I must admit, even if it turns out to be natural, doesn't that just make nature so much cooler?


thebeard

but what about the third picture down? how could that be natural??

Originally posted by ka47
but what about the third picture down? how could that be natural??

I would love to note that each "step" or "level", whatever, are exactly the same in height. I don't remember the exact height, seeing as it's been a month or so since I've seen the documentary and such, but what in my mind is, once again, hardcore evidence it's man made, is when they have such structures as "steps" or "hallways" or etc. they're exact in measurment. So for example, let's just say there's some hallway, each wall would be exactly 20ft high, the 3 "holes in the ground" are exactly the same distance from eachother, and are exactly the same in diameter.