Al Qaeda's Navy

Originally posted by kegs

Excellent quote by Mr. Ghandi... However, terrorists by their sheer definition...make it clear that they do not wish to work out differences... They understand only violence, and although tragic, it is necessary to realize this.... If Ghandi tried his methods out in Palestine...he'd end up a statistic..

Heh heh... I know, you've got my agreement on (most) of that, that is if you see the sole option as fighting the spores rather than the source...

I was really referring to the general use of that 'eye for an eye' mentality. It is used as an excuse for violence in so many aspects of life, not just war and terrorism. And it gets my goat.

May i offer you another perspective?
you # with the bull, you get the horn.
Bin laden messed with the wrong bull.
what do you really expect? to bend over and take it? Do you remember people falling and burning?
It is not reality.
Let me give you another quote.


Mohandas K. Gandhi: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn." Mohandas K. Gandhi, Autobiography: The Story of My Experiments with Truth, Chapter XXVII, Recruiting Campaign, Page 403, Dover paperback edition, 1983.


Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." ("General Introduction to Psychoanalysis," S. Freud)



and the big one.
The Dalai Lama: "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." (May 15, 2001, The Seattle Times)

That's why I changed my wording straight away. That wasn't what I meant to say; as I knew how it would be construed. One thing I've learned on ATS, you really need to spell things out...

Nice quotes, apart from the Freud one. The only thing sexually repressed was him. He was a fool.

Originally posted by kegs
That's why I changed my wording straight away. That wasn't what I meant to say; as I knew how it would be construed. One thing I've learned on ATS, you really need to spell things out...

Nice quotes, apart from the Freud one. The only thing sexually repressed was him. He was a fool.

indeed, and agreed. freud was a porno addict.

Yip, and most of his base theories and that of psychology in general have been debunked or have been found to have no basis in truth, but let�s not get into that...

I agree with what you and Garzok are saying when you talk of fighting the terrorists at hand, but it is like the Queen in Alien, they keep coming until she is destroyed. I don't mean the Queen as a person, but the core and underlying reasons for terrorism.

I agree with what you and Gazrok are saying when you talk of fighting the terrorists at hand, but it is like the Queen in Alien, they keep coming until she is destroyed. I don't mean the Queen as a person, but the core and underlying reasons for terrorism.

Agreed...

But in the past...only two things have worked against terrorism....

1. Give them what they want, to eliminate the reasons behind it... (i.e. basically scrap Isreal, or at least carve out a big chunk, with Jerusalem as it's capital....which simply isn't going to happen....)

or

2. Break their will and ability to do it effectively. As the first option isn't realistic in this case, the US has chosen the latter. Now, I'm not one to get started on how we've been going about this... Shrub is an idiot...granted. This method though, has worked in the past, for such figures as Kaddafi...(kill a few family members, and they start to realize that maybe it isn't such a hot idea...) so there you go....and thats where the two eyes for an eye comes in...

Gazrok your second method, would just incite these underground groups to do more attacks. Bush and co. dont really seem to realise (or just dont care) that by carrying out attacks and throwing threats all over the place (Korea, Iran, Syria) more sept. 11 style attacks will occur. Backpack nukes ive heard of these before and it wouldnt be pretty if one was set off on US soil...maybe WW3 could be started this way.

Not my methods...methods of history...

I never said Bush was employing the second method well...he isn't. Personally, I would prefer to see a combination of both methods... Designate a continuous, Palestinian homeland. (screw the negotiations, etc. just state the boundary, and say here you go...) Make it a sovereign independent nation. If Palestinian and there, great, if not, you can move, or become an Isreali. You stay and cause trouble...bam! you're deported to Palestine. Now they can't bitch anymore, as any incursion by Isreal then, would be an international crime... Now that the rallying cause is gone... round up the international rabble rousers... With their support base and cause gone, it should prove simpler. Make the reprisal for any act so great, that only a true madman would even consider another act (let alone do it...)