Religion Conspiracies : Who GETS SAVED *at*the*end*

The Conspiracy in Christian Religious Education has to do with secretive private interpretations of the Books of Daniel, Micah, Matthew chapter
24 and the Book of Revelation, which was written some time by John
after the death of Yeshua.

This is how I see that conspiratorial side : QUOTE:

The picture of the puzzle is now very complete, said Founder of Endtime
Ministries, Irvin Baxter, during his March 22, 2006 Coast to Coast interview

www.coasttocoastam.com...

According to him, there is a prophecy in the bible that says that the final
7 years period will begin with an event called "the confirmation of The
Covenant", the covenant the God made with Abraham 4.000 years ago.
The Bible teaches that the world community and the Antichrist will confirm
the Covenant with Israel for the 7 year period. The confirmation of the
Covenant has to do the 3 things. It has to be the international agreement,
it has to be about the status of the Jerusalem and the borders of the Holy
Land.

In June 2003 president Bush signed the "Roadmap for Peace" which deals
exactly with this items and its validity was confirmed in the September of
the same year by word community in the United Nations. Was this the
confirmation of the Covenant? Mr. Baxter is not sure, but he is sure that
the war that kills 1/3 of the mankind and that is was to begin in the area
of the Euphrates river, which appears to be in progress right now, has to
be over and done before the final 3 and 1/2 years, when the great tribula-
tion begins.

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Let me tell you why this is >ALL< wrong, why there is no easy out for
presumed people "in the know."

There have been five Covenants, not two. There was a Covenant with
Adam (defaulted) and a Covenant with Noah (which Judaism acknow-
ledges was satisfied). God YHVH operates by Covenants, always has.

So, now, wherever we are in the stream of Bible-time--where is Israel
with respect to Her Covenant with YHVH : ?? Is Israel a Covenanted
law-abiding Theocracy? Woops.

In default.

Where is Christiandom with respect to the Covenant with Yeshua,
given that the major powers of the world OPERATE WITHIN the boun-
daries and metes of Christiandom? Is Christianity as a way of being
caring for widows and orphans in their tribulation and keeping without
spot from the world? (James 1:26; Matthew chapter 5-8)

In default.

Where is Islam, given the Qu'ran's LITERAL sense of Covenant -- to
keep one's promises and remain without sin? (Five prayer-times per
day toward Mecca isn't part of that; doesn't count as Law-Abiding
Behavior, as we have been taught about Law-Abiding behaviors.)

In default.

We are all in default. All this war-mongering and posturing and siding
with this side and that side is merely Satan's strategizing, Divide and
Conquer, "I'm righter than YOU, and we're righter than THEMl!"

We are all in default. We are destroying this planet, chemical-by-
chemical and death-by-death.

We are in default, because we are not caring for those in distress
and suffering; and keeping "without spot" from the rapacious, greedy
world.

If we ruin this planet, we do not belong to Her and She will vomit us
out of Her mouth--ice cubes, or toast, or crisped, gone, as mammoths,
with food still in their stomachs.

The exercise called "Har-mageddon" is a distraction from our mandates :
all three who claim to be in Covenant with God : Jews, Christians and
Muslims. None of us are keeping the Faith, as a whole.

Oh well.

And the religious conspiracy theorists will not save us from ourselves.

It's God's choice since He is the Contractor on the Contract that we
Jews, Christians and Muslims signup up for; He's the Sovereign, and
not we ourselves. There's no easy, cheap "out."
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That's my take on it.
Chaiyah

[edit on 26-3-2006 by chaiyah99]

[edit on 26-3-2006 by chaiyah99]

Ahhh...this whole salvation thing confuses me. I think I think too much. lets see....

Only God can save a soul. But God offers salvation to those willing to take the plunge.

A man decides to accept the salvation offered and in doing so saves his own soul.

Since only God can save a soul, yet the man saves his own soul by accepting salvation, he would by default be God.

See, i'm going to be dispatched to the firey furnace cause i'm just not smart enough to be saved.

Please pray for the wupy. I have each of you in my prayers every night.

Love and light my friends,

Wupy

Who GETS SAVED *at*the*end*

My take is definitely not popular with any of the major religions. Just fair warning.

I see the whole "Get Saved" thing as the original sin. The original lie.

The lie that the soul needed to seek something outside itself for knowledge of the universe. The lie that the allegorical apple could provide wisdom.

Once the soul reached for that allegorical apple it cut off it's own connection to "God" (the Source, All That Is, what-have-you). And thus man fell.

Fell into a trap that most are still caught in. The trap of looking outside self for what we each contain within.

By getting the soul to believe this lie, then Satan (the Serpent, Aliens, Demons, what-have-you) could then control the human soul for their own means.

They would go on to create the concept of 'sin' and the attached concept of 'guilt'. This further suppressed the human soul.

They went further and created 'worship'. They called themselves God.

They inspired religions and the texts that gave their law.

They gave concepts of reward and punishment if their law was not followed.

It didn't matter exactly what the law was. As long as the human soul believed it they controlled the human soul.

Many times, man has tried to rid himself of these gods. The tower of Babel was such a time.

These gods were angry that man could still figure out what was happening. So they confused the language. Man could no longer communicate with everyone else.

This started the Divide and Conquer strategy that is still working very well to this day.

I could go on but I think that's enough to get the idea of where I'm coming from.

[edit on 3/27/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]

Originally posted by mrwupy
Since only God can save a soul, yet the man saves his own soul by accepting salvation, he would by default be God.

Thereby, neatly illustrating the concept of 'omnipotence'.

NC

chaiyah99,

I just want to say that that was an exceptionally well presented post. I know that sounds...strange...(like who am I, right?) But it really was a pleasure to read.

I suspect we would probably agree on more than we disagree.

What a nice comment to receive!

I hope I will find many friend with whom I can share thoughts in common.

We're all muddling to be sure; and how to "say it so it makes sense" is not simple nor easy.

But I'll keep at it. The people I meet on-line are some of my finest teachers, and I dearly like to be challenged with a new idea now and then.

I hope folks notice, I'm not the same as I was a year or two ago : lots of water under the bridge. Someday I'll tell you about it.

Good evening.

Chai

well, i'll share this with you as I really liked the post.

In 1999 i 'died' whilst in Hospital after an operation that went wrong. I sat up on my bed, and looked down at my laid down body... I was scared, but this most beautiful man was stood there. He held out his hand, and all fear left me. We just appeared at this hill, and floated up into the sky, where Jesus pointed to the horizon. The ground was spewing this inky black cloud, full of shapes in to the sky, creating a howling screaming noise. I was afraid, but he took me by the shoulder and turned me around. The sky was full of lit figures, as far as the eye could see in each direction were angels in firey red armour and swords. At Jesus's side were six very tall very broad people, all in white armour on white clothes. Jesus said that this was the 'gathering' , but it was not yet time.

Jesus said that it was not yet my time to return to him, but it would be when God called me again for the third and final time - At that time i would take my place in the line up and get ready to fight for creation.

What happened next was that this beautiful women with violet eyes came to me, and Jesus asked her to take me back and to keep me safe. I woke in my bed four days later.

I spoke to a dr and told them what I had seen, and drew the area we had been floating over. the Dr laughed, and said that had I ever been to israel and I said no - The Dr took the piece of paper, turned it and said that it looked like his village he had grown up in near the north of Israel.

Make of it what you want, but this changed my life forever.

So far so good, people who dominate the question give out indulgences and laugh all the way to the bank. The fact is no one knows, because no one has come back to tell anyone. People who work with this story are rich, people who believe it are worse off for it. The answer to this is just another question, Cui bono?

Otherwise the matter is entirely between you and your personal God. Most all other representations end up with the same dominant-submissive relationship yielding temporal power pretending to be spiritual power. Oh you can be sure that there are occasion public manifestations of truth that are not joined at the hip with money and power, but these are usually persecuted as "competition."

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MadGreebo, I'd like to give you just a thumbs up or acknowledgment. Never having had such an experience, I can only relate my dreams, wherein I forever seek to understand the thoughts of others, in the Subjective Dimension.

Thanks for sharing.

Chaiyah

nobody gets saved

because the world won't end

well

at least through divine intervention

humanity will probably self destruct

stupid nukes

If you were the father of a race of humans, would you allow your children to simply self-destruct or would you allow some other race to intervene and annihilate your race?

I don't think so. That would be an irresponsible father, wouldn't it?

"Look at the lilies of the field : how they never weave nor spin. Yet, Solomon in all his glory was never arrayed as one of these."

Trust.