"Mark of the Beast"

I don't see how the Avian vaccination could have anything to do with buying or selling, so it wouldn't really fit the criteria as I understand it.

Here is my theory, though it's still a work in progress:
I think that material wealth and man's obsession with obtaining it, is the "mark" that is spoken of in Revelations. I don't think it is a literal mark, but a psychological one.
The reference to "the right hand" may be a figurative one rather than a literal one.
According to Strong's, the "right hand" can also be a metaphor meaning "a place of honour or authority". It makes sense to me that if one were to give over their right hand, in the metaphorical sense, to something wholly materialistic, then it could be said that they had become marked by their materialism.
The same could be said about the mark "in the forehead". It seems that an individual who regards the aquisition of material wealth to be their number 1 priority, could be said to have the desire for material wealth on the forefront of their mind/head.
There are other references to God's name being written in one's forehead, which I believe are also used in a figurative sense. I think that the "marks" may signify our attachment to and obsession with physical and material things vs. our belief in and desire for a spiritual existence that is free from our current physical restraints.

Also, the same word, "anthropos", which is translated in Rev. 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six." is translated in Rev. 21:17 as "And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred [and] forty [and] four cubits, [according to] the measure of a man, that is, of the angel." and also in Matt. 9:6 as "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
The word "anthropos" can mean:

1) a human being, whether male or female

a) generically, to include all human individuals

b) to distinguish man from beings of a different order

c) with the added notion of weakness, by which man is led into a mistake or prompted to sin

d) with the adjunct notion of contempt or disdainful pity

e) with reference to two fold nature of man, body and soul

f) with reference to the two fold nature of man, the corrupt and the truly Christian man, conformed to the nature of God

g) with reference to sex, a male

Anthropos then, is a term used to denote man's impermanent human body, which may be corrupted due to it's inherent weakness.
Based on that, and the fact that I don't believe our souls or spirits can be corrupted, I think that the "man" referred to in 13:18, is mankind's physical nature and that the number 6-6-6 may be a reference to our carbon-based design.
HUH?
This is something I have been contemplating, and I don't expect many to agree, but it is true that the carbon atom is made up of 6 electrons, 6 protons, and 6 neutrons.
Carbon is also a perfect representative of the duality in which we exist. For instance,
* Diamond is usually transparent (light shines thru), but graphite is opaque (shuts out the light).
* There are a tremendous number of carbon compounds, some of which are lethally poisonous (cyanide, CN-), and some are essential to life (glucose);
* Diamond is the hardest mineral known to man (although aggregated diamond nanorods are now believed to be even harder), but graphite is one of the softest.
* Diamond is the ultimate abrasive, but graphite is a very good lubricant.
* Diamond is an excellent electrical insulator, but graphite is a conductor of electricity.

In summary,
I think that people who receive the "mark" are those who choose to be driven by their desires for physical wealth and pleasures. By only focusing on their lives as carbon-based humans, they become controlled by their corrupted material nature, and will have to suffer the fear-based agony of their physical deaths.
In contrast those who bear the "mark" of God, have no fear of death because they have no attachment to their physical lives, so they can pass from their material bodies to whatever comes next without hinderance.

Hope this was at least coherent to someone other than myself.

There is one problem with that theory brom a Biblical standpoint, the mark is only due to appear after the image of the beast appears.

Revelation 13:14-17 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to recieve a mark in their right and, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of is name.

The mark is not going to actually appear until the beast/antichrist is wounded, and an image is made of him. That image is going to be able to speak. Some type of enforcement will be in place so that those who refuse to worship the image will die. Then the reference to the mark is made directly after that. That no man or all people not just a group or region will be forced to take the mark, or dire conquences will happen.

I do believe the mark is being created and designed as we speak. I don't believe it will be implemented until the image comes about and the do or die worship. I have a feeling that the worship and mark will appear at the same time. Those who worship will be forced to accept the mark. They would have already made their allegiance with the beast. The mark will be proof positive for all to see that the person alligned themselves with the beast.

Those who haven't worshipped, will be put to death. If they haven't died, they will be hiding underground somehow. They will have to scavange for food. They will not be able to go to the store and buy it. There will be a system in place to capture anyone trying to buy food without the mark. They will be the enemy of the beast/government until the person freely worships the image of the beast and accepts the mark, otherwise they are doomed to die. If they worship the beast, and accept the mark, then they already died a spiritual death. Life after death will be much worse for them than living a life of hell on Earth.

Do you doubt it's really the "mark" of "The Beast"?

I've been to great lengths to prove this, and have it debunked. I feel I've proven it, and I've yet to get any real arguments on this:


www.ignoranceisntbliss.com...


www.ignoranceisntbliss.com...




Addressing the avian flu injections issue, the nanotech implants that I describe are absolutely plausible, and absolutely injectable.

[edit on 23-3-2006 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

IgnoranceIsntBlisss I can't read the two sites you just posted. When I first clicked on them, the picture was large enough that I could read the words. Then about thirty seconds after viewing the site, the picture shrank to fit into a full sized screen. It was about as bad as trying to read the pics in your post.

Yes, the microchip may very well be the mark of the beast. But it will not become the mark that was biblically fortold about until the anti-christ appears. From my understanding of the text thus far is that it will not be implemented until he is ready to say worship or death. The mark along with every thing else it will be able to do, will also be a sign of allegiance to him. When we accept it, we have already forfited our souls because we would have forfited our free will.

With all the technology that is being talked about on ATS and a christian apocoplictic movie I saw, it could very well be that the microchip being planned could take over a person's will. I forget what the movie was titled, but I remember this line fairly well, taking the mark was the last free will choice I made.

It does that if the image is larger than your screen. When it does just hold the mouse ofver the bottom right corner and a button will (usually) appear.

And you can right click and save image as, and view it off your hard drive.

Sorry for the time out, thanks for all continued posts on this thread. IgnoranceIsntbliss that sure is alot of info to take in! I'm very impressed with your links and have yet to get through it all
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I read in a 'tabloid' mag possibly 'nexus' or 'hard evidence' that the veri-chip has already been trialed on a small town population in the USA who were each paid a sum of money to be human test subjects. It has also been used for a number of years in 'pets' as microchiping for tracking.

In your link regarding the barcode symbol (have'nt read full link yet) but I have always been very curious to know what the three divisional dual bars represent numerically. I was told many years ago in hindsight that they each represent the number 6, which would give 6-6-6. Not sure if this is correct but as yet our barcode system in Australia still omits the number for these, only showing the number values in-between .
Can anyone answer this?.............

The NBIC injected implants info on your link, in my mind could easily be a barcode blueprint with all our info and financial details for future cashless transactions? And could also easily be implanted in the hand?
I know many of you are saying that the antichrist is still to reveal himself but I strongly feel he already has in the way of 'George W Bush' and his policy that America rules and if your not with us, then you are the enemy.
Now where does a statement like that leave freethinkers and peace minded souls... It seems to me at 'lucifers gate'

And how about his Chief advisor stepping down today (scapegoat) and instead of fresh blood joining from the outside as so many of the voters want, they have put in another inner circle puppet?

I'm just waiting for the news of Bush being shot and miraculously surviving a fatal wound to set the stage for his image and the mark to be applyed. And what better way to get everyone to take it willingly yet unsuspectingly as the cure to a world pandemic' the bird flu which is progressively alarming.............


regards
orion-452

Do you guys realise only a handfull of people even in the most hit regions die or even contract this virus? its media hype why would people in the usa riot if 10 people in their country died on a disease? more than that die of loads of other things evey day

*Cs_Exile, over here in australia our top pharmalogical and university scientists are and have already made a supposed antidote that other countrys are wanting in exessive amounts. Our own polititions are making media statements assuring that a vaccine will be available to all if it reaches our shores.
Now if this was just an everyday disease that few contract 'why all the government acknowledgment and sudden medical craziness, and how is it that a vaccine was found so quickly? and is being made in such huge quantities for global distibution.......
To me there is something very strange about this supposed pandemic, and the suddeness of all humanity told to have an injection.!!!

regards
orion_452

Mod Edit to remove quote of previous poster.


[edit on 8-4-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by orion_452

Originally posted by Cs_Exile
Do you guys realise only a handfull of people even in the most hit regions die or even contract this virus? its media hype why would people in the usa riot if 10 people in their country died on a disease? more than that die of loads of other things evey day

Now if this was just an everyday disease that few contract 'why all the government acknowledgment and sudden medical craziness, and how is it that a vaccine was found so quickly? and is being made in such huge quantities for global distibution.......
To me there is something very strange about this supposed pandemic, and the suddeness of all humanity told to have an injection.!!!

regards
orion_452

Ever hear of S.A.R.S?
It's all just fear mongering.

But the financial part makes me think it would be like your Tax File Number you get taxed far higher if you don't have one than if you do.

Well pehaps there are two alternatives that might play out here, Scenario one: In order to keep track of who gets the shot and who has not, they issue some kind of medical id card/tag with an RFID chip in it, and without proof you got the shot, you would be quarantined, or not allowed to fly, go to certain places etc

Scenario2: What if they have an RFID chip to a point now that it is small enough to be passed into a person through a shot WITHOUT the person having knowledge of it....not an expert on the RFID chip but I do know they are injected at times now.
So perhaps they have them downsized to an extent that it could be injected without your knowledge.

Personally I go with my first scenario more, as it seems more feasable and a real possibility.

Actually I thought the "mark of the beast" was the veri-chip implant?

orion,
You are so close to the money!!

You see the bible never says the mark is voluntary. All it says is the beast caused all great and small free and slave to recieve it. first it is logistically impossible to manufacture and distribute a rfid chip to 6 billion people within any reasonable time frame.
Second any foreign implant or tattoe is easily removed. Third this mark must remove you from salvation.
My thinking is that the antichrist releases some kind of virus in the population. except that this virus is supposed to cure you of aids and basically keep you from dying. Sounds pretty scary doesn't it? Your thinking now that you'll never have a chance. im setting up a hiding place near the finger lakes in NYS. we'll shoot all those that are infected.

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Wouldn't someone who goes around shooting the infirm be the sort of person that wouldn't be saved by jesus????

Originally posted by Nygdan
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Wouldn't someone who goes around shooting the infirm be the sort of person that wouldn't be saved by jesus????

Those infected won't be infirm by any means. In fact they would have perfect health.
its an antidisease becuase it will make you immortal.

its those that don't have the "disease" that will be shot or killed.

So you are or aren't planning on murdering everyone around you that doesn't conform to your religious ideas???

Well I won't be taking any forced injections, to me, forced injections is clearly a sign something is wrong.

No antidote for me thanks, no vaccines, and definately no microchip, if they try and pull that one I'll take some select useful friends, and go find a place to hide and wait it out, however, I will post no details on here.

As to the bird flu? I'm not worried, I'm young and healthy and can live without KFC, if Mad Cow had become an epidemic however....that might be a different case, I don't think I would be too happy without a decent steak at least once every week or two.

I'm a purebred Carnivore!

I'm young and healthy and can live without KFC,

What does that have to do with the bird flu? If it becomes a pandemic, its going to be spreading from human to human, it will be as hard to avoid as any other flu.

Eating birds won't give you bird flu. Being around birds infected poop will. I already avoid flu shots like they were the plague (I have a sneaking suspicion that they are worse). I don't have any fear of death, just a fear of having a really crappy death, but I can cope.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Eating birds won't give you bird flu. Being around birds infected poop will.

does this mean your not going to wash your car anymore?

no, it means i'll stop doing lines of dried chicken feces for thrills.