Child porn ring transmitted acts live on Web

Originally posted by The Links
They should all recieve a mark on their foreheads. They are refered to as beasts in Scotland.

I agree with this...and how about castration? I think that we in the Us are too lenient on many crimes. I am reminded of the caning of the US teen M.Fay in Singapore for the crime of graffiti. Maybe if the USA adopted this policy we would have less grafiti.
The point I am trying to make is if the punishment for child molestation was castration maybe there would be less...just a thought.

This "beast" got five years for raping a 13 month old>
Lenient sentence for baby raper in Scotland

I think i am rambling but, for sure, these acts were particularly heinous.

I may be corrected but I seem to remember from a lecture that castration would not remove the 'urge'. So death is really the safest option.
Removing these creatues to a country where child sex is legal is a really stupid idea.
Thank God they did leave some evidence so at least a few were caught.

Obviously there are far more who will never be caught because they are 'intelligent' enough not to leave traces.
I am vigilant even when my child needs to use a bathroom. Sick perverts are everywhere. They study for years to get into positions of 'trust'.
Sentencing is a joke, they know what to say to get out sooner, take the right courses (cured now!), they laugh at the systems in place.

I think they are the most evil beings on the planet.

Originally posted by noonoos
I may be corrected but I seem to remember from a lecture that castration would not remove the 'urge'.

I have read that same argument ......... and tend to agree with it.

My fear of this scenario, castration, is that while the perv is commiting this atrocity, the fact that he can not achieve the sexual goal that he used to would cause him to become more physically violent with the child.

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N.Y. loophole may free Internet pedophiles

NEW YORK, March 22 (UPI) -- A challenge to New York state's Internet anti-pedophile law could result in hundreds of convictions being overturned.

The challenge comes from ex-real estate lawyer Jeffrey Kozlow, who argues that he did nothing criminal two years ago when he went online and typed graphic, sexual propositions to a New York detective posing as a 14-year-old boy.

Kozlow argues the 1996 law says it is illegal to try to seduce a minor through a communication that "depicted sexual conduct." He claims words are not depictions, the New York Post reported Wednesday.

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What a joke.

Originally posted by loam

He claims words are not depictions

Hmm.......

de·pict ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-pkt)
tr.v. de·pict·ed, de·pict·ing, de·picts
To represent in a picture or sculpture.
To represent in words; describe.

Go figure.

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They say that pedophiles are "sick". Almost every post replying to this thread have called these individuals "sick". So, I would suppose that I would be safe to say that these individuals are, indeed "sick". Who could argue this point?

Now what sort of sickness do these people have? Too much testosterone? I don't know. If that were the case, chemical castration using a drug called depo-provera would eliminate the capability and the physical desire to have sex. But that is not the case. As was mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, these pedophiles would still have an urge to molest, fondle or whatever it is that satisfies their psyche. This is the point that I am making. Pedophilia is not a sexual act per se. It is a form of psychological illness. It is an overwhelming compulsion to control, dominate, or express some sort of twisted and distorted aspect of what they would call "love".

You could incarcerate such individuals for twenty years and they would still have this compulsion, this obsession, to violate children. You could castrate them and they would still feel some sort of psychological need to use children to fulfill their own psychological need and desire -- often distorting their actions as something that is loving or something that the child him or herself desires. In other words, these individuals will do this regardless of the consequences.

There does not seem to be any successful treatment for this sickness, compulsion, deviancy, perversion or psychological disorder or maladjustment. The recidivism rate for pedophilia is overwhelming.

What are we to do? What can we do with these individuals while still protecting our children? Personally, I would have no compunction against putting these individuals to death. Some deep rooted, innate sense finds such behavior abhorrent and intolerable. Even if there was a successful treatment for pedophiles, I would still desire retribution -- death -- against these individuals.

Nevertheless, I have to question whether it is just to execute a person who has, as many would seem to agree, a mental illness?

Again I have to ask, what are we to do with such individuals?

We send rapists to jail and, when released, they often re-offend. Voyeurs, a far less serious crime is also punished by jail or psychological treatment and they too re-offend at a high rate. In fact, it would seem that many acts that are sexual in nature but also have an aspect of psychological deviancy or compulsion all have a high recidivism rate regardless of imprisonment or psychological therapy. These people, it would seem, have such socially repugnant behaviors "hard-wired" into their psyches.

What are we as a just society to do with such individuals?

We could execute them....but does that not raise the issue of executing the mentally ill?

We could imprison them but our prison system is based upon the concept of rehabilitation. Yet, we are dealing with the incorrigible, people whose psychological state compels them to perform such heinous acts. Imprisonment or psychological treatment fails, time and time again, to rehabilitate or treat these individuals to the point that they could be trusted to re-enter society.

Again, I ask, what are we to do with such individuals?

We could execute them while ignoring the psychologically imbalanced nature of their actions. We could imprison them without satisfactory assurance that they will ever be rehabilitated. We could confine them to mental institutions where, again we, as a society, do not have the assurance that the pedophile would not repeat their "sick" actions upon another child when they are released after having completed "treatment".

I find that this topic has opened a moral and ethical quagmire or morass that raises issues that can only be called disturbing, to say the least. It is a question that points at the myriad of psycho-sexual disturbances that plague our entire society. From the torment of the sex addict who feverishly scans the world wide web to gaze at endless numbers of nude bodies to the questions of how there could possibly be so many people who are willing to sell their souls, their dignity and self esteem by performing sexual acts for a dollar. We have prepubescent girls imitating pop stars like Britanny Spears and the Christina Aguileras of the world and the parents who allow it in the name of fashion and social trends -- the breeding ground of a sexually inflamed society.

What are we to do?

I don't know. I don't have the answers. Except that I know that if I were raising an animal and the animal went "bad", that is, became vicious, I'd put it down. Perhaps these are questions that future generations will have to answer when they have solved the riddle of these tortured minds, until then, I have to say, for the good of the community, the society, we have to put these human beings gone bad down. That's my answer. But I still have questions.

Many people live with mental illness/impairment. Most are not a danger to themselves or others. Those with such illness that do make them dangerous are confined and treated (as long as it is diagnosed) until it is considered they are no longer a danger.

While the law does not recognize paedophilia as a mental illness and therefore untreatable, there is only one way to deal with these people in my opinion. They will never be cured but will try to convince you otherwise.

Some men prefer blondes, others brunettes, for some its children.
Children will never be safe while paedophiles roam the Earth.
The punishments reflect the way the Governments think so little of our children.

While it does sicken me, it makes me more angry. It angers me that I have to make my child understand between right and wrong touches. It disgusts me that I have to equip my 4yr old with knowledge that not all people are good people.
It angers me that If a man works at a nursery I find myself questioning his motives. It shouldnt be this way.
It makes me angry that most molestations are by someone the child knew, shedding doubt on all those relatives and friends.
To protect my child I will first doubt anyone. It's very sad that as parents we have to be so vigilant.

The law just keeps recycling them.

Ugh, live kiddie porn on the internet - that is seriously demented. As a society, we should be questioning why there is such prevalence of this problem. It appears that the more women are oppressed, the greater the incidence of child molestation. The behaviour is a reflection of male inability to relate to adult females. Women in all cultures are somewhat infantilized: with economic dependence, less access to positions of social stature, lack of pay equity, the physical dependence of child-bearing. Child molestation is almost an extension of the disregard for and fear of female power.
They fear female rage - with good reason.

Look at Japan and Japanese anime, where the ideal of beauty is becoming a pre-pubescent school-girl. Here in North America, the clothing industry markets thongs in size 6x; they call this demograph of customer - prostitots. The culture is sick. The ideal of beauty here is becoming increasingly a pre-pubescent look.

'Wives will cuddle cats and dogs
and men will live much like hogs."
mother Shipton.

They should cancel the war on drugs and lauch the war on child pornography. Probably the same elements of government and big business making the most money on both.

people like this need to be strung up and tortured severly for hours and hours, days ,weeks ,months even years. these people make me sick :bash:

My blood does not boil...it turns ice cold! We had a "Situation" occur in our family. A couple of the men in our family made it known, in no uncertain terms, that the police had better do their job fast; because we were ready to "take care" of the problem ourselves. While the police did their job, a couple of officers told us off the record that if their case failed that they would do whatever was within their legal powers to "help" us solve our problem. Most of the men in our family are ex-military or ex-law enforcement and we have a state DA and a sheriff. The police knew that if we had decide to take matters into our own hands, we probably would have done it is such a way they could have done nothing to stop or convict us of anything other that interfering in police business. That is, most likely why, they moved so fast in our case. What sucks is that 99% of the families involved in these situations lack the resources we could bring to bear. Oh well it is too bad I do not believe in hell, cause there sure are a lot of people who deserve it.
So do not lose all hope there are some really good people in the system. It is just the dregs that get the attention.

Sick beasts they are. I do not care for their rights to law or anything else for that matter. Just take em out if they are caught doing this crap and just kill them. Perhaps a few public executions would send a message to them. Doubtful but hey They are lower than animals and the thought of someone harming my grand kids angers me terribly. Just kill them after they are found guilty. Leave no room for appeals and just do them in and that leaves one less sick bastard that normal parents have to worry about.