What does Icke reckon about the moon landings?

I came across this today and posted about it elsewhere

Then I thought Id like to take the opportunity to ask Dave what he thinks

Hope you can help out Mr Icke:

Check out what Neil Armstrong said in 1994

This was an address to students at the White House marking the 25th anniversery of the Apollo mission:

[quote="Neil Armstrong"]"Today we have with us a group of students, among Americas best. To you we say we have only completed the beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas and undiscovered breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truths protective layers"

video.google.com...

(Source: the video footage)

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I've read most of his books and he's talked about the 'Moon Landing' several times and has said he thinks the whole thing was faked.

He's used photos to prove his point - but it will be interesting what he has to say in reply to your thread.

What's your opinion on it ?.

The Van Allen Belt is the real stickler for me

We just dont have any space craft in public knowledge that could credibly allow a human being to pass through this intense radiation, wether apollo mission or space shuttle: the only space exploration to breach this radiation belt has been unmanned robot probes

Amazingly this has also tied in with what Tsarion has to say about "them" being imprisoned here with us in a barrier that cannot be breached...unless humanity can be developed in a certain way and a suitable technology invented (thats a digression though)

At the current time I agree with the thesis of the linked video, its my considered opinion that no Human being has been sufficently proved to have gone beyond high earth Orbit:

Unless of course alternative 3 scenarios go to to become manifest as reality



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Humans can travel through the van allen belt without any ill effects. The ill effects occur when you spend a few hours within the belt. The astronauts on the way to the moon were only in the belt for 1.5 hours (give or take).

Here is a great article on the van allen belt:


spider.ipac.caltech.edu...

There are also some great references at the bottom of that article.

Here is another article with some GREAT information about the moon landing conspiracy:

www.uwgb.edu...





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Originally posted by prizim
Humans can travel through the van allen belt without any ill effects. The ill effects occur when you spend a few hours within the belt. The astronauts on the way to the moon were only in the belt for 1.5 hours (give or take).

Here is a great article on the van allen belt:


spider.ipac.caltech.edu...

There are also some great references at the bottom of that article.



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Hmm...some say you can and some say you cant...doenst seem too likely to me

And even so: would you stick your butt in an Apollo modeule? A module with NO effective sheilding

A craft with sheilding would have to constructed in orbit or it would be way to heavy to get off the ground

Or operate on a prionciple completely unkown to us, at least through any official sources

The Appollo missions being bogus does not close off any of those possibilities: Another possibility is that the mechanics of flying the men there were just to damn risky radiation or not: way to many ways to go boom

Why not just fly around abit and then get the applause of the crowds?

+ Plenty of profits! PLENTY

The Van Allen Belt barrier theory appeals to me through more than conventional sources. I am an experianced stellar dowser and I gain a lot of insight through taping the universal knowledge and then translating this "knowing" into working mental models to better define our situation

Btw Ickes talking about "knowing" is one of the best things I like about him

All things remain mutable with the reciept of further information

I gotta say Im a bit surprised no-one else has had anything to say on this thread

How many have watched the video? The footage from inside the capsule is very damning and what was Armstrong saying in 1994?

I find it interesting about comments made of the capsule...that two men in full astronaught gear could not have possibly have enough room inside...

or the fact that Buzz Aldrin was a Freemason.....and that Neil Armstrongs father was also a freemason.... not that this is a conspiracy....but it may make way for anti-masons to believe that the moon landing was fake.... reports stating that 33 minutes after the landing there was a freemason ritual proclaiming the moon as now owned by the freemasons...speculation of course...but interesting none the less..

Or the constant images of photos showing multiple light sources....... or the waving of the US flag in a supposed wind free environment, or the lack of crater blast after the capsule took off again etc.. etc..

Or the fact that original NASA scientists were NAZI in origin due to project paperclip

You know I think about it all? Who cares, the result was going to be the same whether real or fake, the USA proclaiming itself as a world power... thats basically it....

What I REALLY want to know...is why there are so many sudden 'accidental' deaths of researchers and scientists in the field of DNA and Microbiology...... I think the figured out the history of mankind..... HRMMMMM

I cant fault your reasoning Merger

Equally, curiosity goes where it will

Who knows what change new knowledge might bring

While I very much agree with you about the importance of DNA, I reckon no level of supression has succeded in stopping the knowledge getting out, a very coherant picture is now known

Maybe there might be some good threads here about it

Obviously Michael Talbot and Depak Chopra are good places to start

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Btw I have realised that the link at the top is for the short version of the film, this is the full one:

video.google.com...

John White,

The field of DNA and such information interests me very much, for the simple fact of my own issues, and that was suppressing emotional issues internally and seeing my body reacting in a certain way, which it did.

For example, I experienced issues that caused deep seeded anger in me, but forcefully suppressed it and pretended everything was hunky dorry...... in my previous research of what may happen to my body if I continued to do this, was the eruption of skin tissue...such as pimples or boils in certain areas..... what I didn't realise was the location of these pimples/boils had to do what my deep seeded anger was about, and finding out afterwards was infact, the exact location of where these boils/pimples were coming out, and that was near my left knee..... The suppression of anger whether I was to be flexible in stepping into the future (knees represent flexibility, and being at the legs, means stepping into the future)... and later finding out the actual cause... was that left side of the body represents your feelings towards a female figure.... which is what exactly happened at this point in time....

I have now released the anger, through visualisations and of course, physically crying/yelling it all out (targeting inanimate objects).... the boils and pimples dissapeared.....

If this was to happen to someone who didn't know about such issues, the pimples/boils would have dissapeared by themselves, but the beginning of cancer would have formed......... which brings me to my point....cancer is the production of damaged cells.... due to the irregular function of DNA in those cells.

So my research lead to finding out that the MIND has totally everything to do with the function of DNA, and thus my previous posting about 97% of DNA, and 3% of DNA being that of memories of ancestors and your own memories and emotions... and the genetics of other 'living' beings contained in that 3% DNA, and that being of lions, bears, dolphins.....and reptiles...(and many other creatures)

So the death of these scientists waved a big red flag, that they were infact killed, because I was so looking forward to where these scientists were heading, and now they are gone, and this whole process has to start over again.....

Truth is power, so they replace truth with lies, and now we are certainly damned!

Cool

I understand completely where your coming from

A good introduction of yourself to, I see you have a lot of links, I shall have to explore your info to do your efforts justice

I would explain myself as coming from intuitive knowing, I am a dowser living in a land of dowsers, living as I do in old Albion

Factual and systematic knowledge is interesting to me but is not the primary way I form my understanding of the cosmos: rather their use is in the energy patterns that they contain

But thats the speciality that is me: other people have their own focus, which might be logical reasoning or scientific method

Great! Equally some of us are best at having imaginations

My mind, although known to my conciousness to not be the real me, is a flexible tool and I tend to understand most things: I just dont do maths

A pleasure to meet you

One the topic of the thread, Id like to point out that the Van Allen Belt theory is on the extended film, but is in no way nessacary to explain why the apollo missions may never have left Earth orbit: the sheer level of risk in flying the mission (and the chance of catastropic breakdown) would have made it very tempting to do a bit of movie making