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A lot of theories on here some true some wild. This one is not a theory though when a mason goes to court they identify themselves and get off with it. Would you send one of your ''brothers'' to prison ? Its corrupt and its illegal.

Originally posted by sonneh
A lot of theories on here some true some wild. This one is not a theory though when a mason goes to court they identify themselves and get off with it. Would you send one of your ''brothers'' to prison ? Its corrupt and its illegal.

If a Mason has done something immoral and/or illegal, he has violated his vows as a Mason, and is punished accordingly, up to and including expulsion. If a Mason commits a felony, he has tarnished not only his own name, but also that of his Fraternity.

Therefore, to answer your question, yes, I would send such a one to prison if he were guilty. It should be noted that the fraternity is very strict concerning its membership requirements. Masonry is considered a society based on morality, and does not countenance lightly any of its members behaving in an immoral manner.

[edit on 3-3-2006 by Masonic Light]

Light, Thank goodness you're here [like white on rice] to clear all these misconceptions up. My friend, no organization with that many secrets is in any way a benefit to a free society....sorry!

Surely you have to support your brothers, regardless, how would you know if he had committed a felony? you are innocent until proved guilty, and if a mason is a judge,witness,or a jury member,he would be under obligation to protect him, for him to have broken vows would not be the case because the support he would receive from allies (masons)he would be found NOT guilty and so no reason for him to be kicked out of the masons.

er sorry masonic light but thats not what happens here in the UK at all.

The masonic orders are sworn to protect their fellow brother masons to all ends and means. no mason should be left in harms reach if a fellow brother or the lodge can aid him / her.

Corruption in the UK courts / police / local and county councils is endemic, and a large slice of those services is filled with masons. How do I know? my former infantry commander was a mason till he refused to over look a fellow masons crimes within the army. Word got out, his career was flushed down the pan, he went to join the police, did fine for a while till the masonic lodge he was in was told of his 'offenses against a fellow mason' and he was booted on trumped up charges from the police.

Masons are a sickness that needs to be driven from the land in my opinion.

Originally posted by MadGreebo
er sorry masonic light but thats not what happens here in the UK at all.

The masonic orders are sworn to protect their fellow brother masons to all ends and means. no mason should be left in harms reach if a fellow brother or the lodge can aid him / her.

Corruption in the UK courts / police / local and county councils is endemic, and a large slice of those services is filled with masons. How do I know? my former infantry commander was a mason till he refused to over look a fellow masons crimes within the army. Word got out, his career was flushed down the pan, he went to join the police, did fine for a while till the masonic lodge he was in was told of his 'offenses against a fellow mason' and he was booted on trumped up charges from the police.

Masons are a sickness that needs to be driven from the land in my opinion.

This kind of thing goes on all the time Geoffry archer must have upset someone when he got sent down. I cant think of many other masons sent down

Originally posted by MadGreebo
er sorry masonic light but thats not what happens here in the UK at all.

The masonic orders are sworn to protect their fellow brother masons to all ends and means. no mason should be left in harms reach if a fellow brother or the lodge can aid him / her.

Corruption in the UK courts / police / local and county councils is endemic, and a large slice of those services is filled with masons. How do I know? my former infantry commander was a mason till he refused to over look a fellow masons crimes within the army. Word got out, his career was flushed down the pan, he went to join the police, did fine for a while till the masonic lodge he was in was told of his 'offenses against a fellow mason' and he was booted on trumped up charges from the police.

Masons are a sickness that needs to be driven from the land in my opinion.

Er sorry MadGreebo but you don't know what you are taking about. No such obligation exists within freemasonry in the UK beyond the hysterical assumptions of the media and greedy anti-masonic authors trying to peddle their nonsense. Freemasons in the UK who favor other freemasons, or indeed punish them over harshly, do so on their own time.

The rest of your post makes no sense as I can't tell what point you are trying to make. Are you saying this mans masonic career was ruined because he refused to favor another mason? I find that HIGHLY unusual and would like to take this up with you offline, as I am in a position to investigate this. Please u2u me with more details. Personally I doubt there is any connection whatsoever between freemasonry and the problems this individual has experienced in his two careers. It wouldn't be the first time someone blamed the masons for all their problems.

Do you have any further evidence of their connection?

Sorry if you feel you've had a bad experience with freemasonry, but don't tar us all with the same brush. Your attitude smacks of ignorance and prejudice which needs to be driven from the land in my opinion.

Jeffrey Archer isn't and never has been a freemason, to the best of my knowledge. Where do you get your information from?

Hmmm, this remind me of something that I read in Malcolm X autobiography:


"A Celebrity among Northfolk Prision Colony inmates was a rich, older fellow, a paralytic, called John. He had Killed his baby, one of those "mercy" killings. He was a proud, big-shot type, always reminding everyone that he was a 33-Degree Mason, and what powers Masons had-that only Masons ever had been U.S. Presidents, that Masons in distress could secretly signal to Judges and other Masons in powerful positions.

I kept think about what Reginald had said. I wanted to test it with John. He worked in a soft job in the prison's school. I went over there.
"John," I said, "how many degrees in a circle ?" He said, "There hundred and sixty." I drew a square. "How many degrees in that ?" He said three hundred and sixty. I asked him was three hundred and sixty degrees, then, the maxium of degrees in anything ? He said "YES." I said, "Well, why is it that Masons go only to thirty-three degrees ?" he had no satisfactory answer. But for me, the answer was that Masonry, actually, is only 33 degrees of the religion ISLAM, which is full projection, forever denied to masons, although they know it exists."

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Anyway, the point is that masons goes to jail like any other person that commits a crime. I'm not held under any oath that I must protect a brother who has broken the law. I don't expect any police, judge, or any other official to bail me out of trouble if I committed a crime. I will not risk my freedom to protect a guilty man. Why try to aid him and we both end up in jail. That doesn’t make sense.

Originally posted by YIAWETA
Light, Thank goodness you're here [like white on rice] to clear all these misconceptions up. My friend, no organization with that many secrets is in any way a benefit to a free society....sorry!

The only people who get caught up in "secrets" are our detractors. The only secrets in Freemasonry are portions of our ritual which, quite frankly, are no one else's business anyway. However, there's nothing secret about Freemasonry outside of this.

Originally posted by stmichael
Surely you have to support your brothers, regardless, how would you know if he had committed a felony? you are innocent until proved guilty, and if a mason is a judge,witness,or a jury member,he would be under obligation to protect him, for him to have broken vows would not be the case because the support he would receive from allies (masons)he would be found NOT guilty and so no reason for him to be kicked out of the masons.

In Masonry, any member can charge another with unmasonic conduct. The accused will then enter a plea. If he pleads not guilty, a trial is held in his Lodge, and like in the profane courts, he is considered innocent until proven guilty. If found guilty, he could be expelled.

However, that's not what the original poster meant. He insinuated that we would support a member even if he knew he were guilty, while in fact, we would not.

Originally posted by MadGreebo


The masonic orders are sworn to protect their fellow brother masons to all ends and means.

No, they aren't. We are sworn to protect all "distressed worthy brothers, their wives, widows, and orphans".

"Worthy" being the operative word. Obviously, if a Mason becomes a criminal, he loses his worthiness, and can no longer enjoy the protection of the Craft.

Wow, some ugly reactions there...

It's like you disappointed them with the mundane truth, ML.

I'd be extremely disappointed if someone conclusively disproved the existence of Nessie, so I can totally empathise.