Planned Self Destruction of Islam in Iraq?

Is it possible that the Bush administration could have known that the removal of Saddam from power in Iraq could/would lead to renewal of old bitter sectarian conflicts between the Sunnis and Shiites?

A part of the war plan the potential self destruction of Islam in Iraq?

Could there be some behind the scenes agenda to turn up the heat between these rival sects in Iraq?

Democracy = sectarian war, Islamic shrines, Islamic leaders, all targets of sectarian violence. It seems like it will only get worse.

Nothing better than a little hell on earth, to wake you up in the morning.



ESP

Thats asymetric warfare for you.... let the bad guys fight it out amongst them selves whilst you steal all their oil and goods you wanted at the start of the war....

A sad day when they start some thing like this, because if it is deliberate thats just sick and wrong. If its not well thats just plain old damned stupid.

Unfortunatly if that was the case it severely backfired.

If anything Isam is alive, well and spreading like a malingant tumor across the country and region.

Sectarian violence rips through Iraq

130 killed as Sunnis, Shiites trade accusations after mosque bombing


MSNBC News Services
Updated: 12:34 p.m. ET Feb. 23, 2006

BAGHDAD, Iraq - More than 130 people, including dozens who joined a demonstration against sectarian violence, were killed in bloodshed across Iraq despite calls for calm on Thursday from leaders, including President Bush, fearful of civil war.

A day after a suspected al-Qaida bomb destroyed a major Shiite shrine, Iraq cancelled all leave for the police and army and minority Sunni political leaders pulled out of U.S.-backed talks on forming a national unity government, accusing the ruling Shiites of fomenting dozens of attacks on Sunni mosques.

"Fearful of civil war." ... Or secretly happy to see their plan working?



ESP

One of the worst aspects of conspiracy boards, and of ATS at present, is the demonization of America.

I am sure that if there was an earthquake in iraq someone would post that it was caused by the the americans.

I don't believe that everything that happens in Iraq is purely some secret plan of Bush et al. At some stage the Iraqi people themselves have to take responsability for their own actions. This seems to be a standard inter-religious fight such as been happening in the region for the last 600 years.

If America wants to get out of Iraq, then they would encourage peace, not try to forment further societal destruction.

Actually Islam has become more strong since US has invaded Iraq, and declare the war on terror.

Demonizing US may be one way to target the US government but the truth is that do to the history of US deals with foreign governments and support of some not so good ones many people around the world may feel resentment against the US government.

We the people are targeted alone with it, even if is not our fault what our elected leaders do in our behave and for our nation.

But some nasty stuff is coming to light lately and is not looking good for our public opinion support by other nations.

I hope all this will be over soon.

Originally posted by marg6043
Actually Islam has become more strong since US has invaded Iraq, and declare the war on terror.

"More strong" .. Perhaps, but in Iraq Islam seems more divided now than ever.

Divide and conquer!




ESP

I don't think so, Puppet; Islam grows quicker and stronger in such an environment and even if one sect gains much greater power than the other, if not wiping the other out, it will not weaken or die.

The War on Terror being officially recognized by us didn't mean there was no war against us already, Marg. However, with us officially recognizing it, at least the weapon used, the ones who want to destroy the West can be more obvious with the goals.

Through history sectarian wars have been shown to lead to disillusionment of the faithful. If used as a tactic in a war where the enemy is of strong faith, and that faith can be weakend or divided it can be a great advantage, also serves to weaken the enemies fight against you if they are busy fighting amongst themselves. Can also be used to continue occupation of a nation in the name of "security and peace".

An interesting news item...

Link

"The Shia are the insurmountable obstacle, the lurking snake, the crafty and malicious scorpion, the spying enemy, and the penetrating venom."

With these words Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the ruthless leader of al-Qa'eda in Iraq, stressed to Osama bin Laden in 2004 his conviction that the biggest enemy in Iraq was not the Americans, but the Shias.

Zarqawi explained that Americans were "easy quarry" because they were a foreign enemy with poor intelligence. But the Shias were taking control of the Iraqi government, and confronting them would be "a difficult, fierce battle with a crafty enemy who wears the garb of a friend".

Zarqawi's plan was simple and brutal: attack the Shias, weaken them and, more importantly, provoke a religious war that would drag in the rest of the Arab world on the side of the embattled Sunnis.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.



ESP

Originally posted by NetchickenIf America wants to get out of Iraq, then they would encourage peace, not try to forment further societal destruction.

Now there's the crux of the matter!

Does America really want out of Iraq, or does it want to build bases and create an infrastructure so large corps can prosper in the oil business.

Academics warned of civil war before the first troops were sent to Iraq. Now they are caught in the middle; a military nightmare.

I think that the neo-cons thought that the military could hold down sectarian violence but apparently they were wrong.

Should nature be allowed to take it's course and let the civil war reach it's bloody conclusion or to continue to attempt nation building and suffer the consequences?

What should be the role of the 100,000 plus troops in the ME if civil war becomes a reality?

Why weren't these questions asked at the git go? I think they were asked but arrogance ruled the day and ideology trumped common sense.

[edit on 23-2-2006 by whaaa]

Originally posted by EvilSockPuppet
Is it possible that the Bush administration could have known that the removal of Saddam from power in Iraq could/would lead to renewal of old bitter sectarian conflicts between the Sunnis and Shiites?

A part of the war plan the potential self destruction of Islam in Iraq?

Could there be some behind the scenes agenda to turn up the heat between these rival sects in Iraq?

Democracy = sectarian war, Islamic shrines, Islamic leaders, all targets of sectarian violence. It seems like it will only get worse.

Nothing better than a little hell on earth, to wake you up in the morning.



ESP

Yea bush knew about this but he still went ahead and waged war.

Originally posted by Netchicken
the demonization of America.

That was done long ago in this war. What we are seeing now is the demonization of Islam.

Originally posted by whaaa
Does America really want out of Iraq, or does it want to build bases and create an infrastructure so large corps can prosper in the oil business.

That's a good question. But I think a civil war in Iraq could be an excuse either way. In other words, it could give the US an excuse to stay (We need to stay and create a permanent presence so we can protect the people and their interests).

OR it could be a great excuse to pull out. (Hey, these people are crazy! No one could be expected to stay here under such dangerous conditions! Let's Roll!)

In the latter case, it would further destabilize the region (but that's happening anyway), and it would mean bringing our troops home (temporarily, anyway) and getting them out of the way of the train wreck that we created, without appearing to be cowardly. That would make a lot of anti-Bush folk happier here at home.

It's hard to say WTF is going on...

[edit on 24-2-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]

Saddam was evil but had them all under control. And he was THEIR problem, not ours.

What Bush has created in Iraq is truly a hornet's nest and he's not through.

This wasnt planned to self destruct, this had to do with mr, Bush's testicle flair up which is still not just his problem, but the worlds.

Is it possible that the Bush administration could have known that the removal of Saddam from power in Iraq could/would lead to renewal of old bitter sectarian conflicts between the Sunnis and Shiites?

Of course. The old rivalries of the Sunnis, Shiites, and even the Kurds, was well known.

A part of the war plan the potential self destruction of Islam in Iraq?

Doubtful. Instability means more cost, more delays on cheap oil, and increased international criticism. Even Bush and his cronies aren't that dumb as to want this. They niavely thought that the people would embrace democracy. Not sure what ideat sold them on that idea...but this really was inevitable without a strong singular leader there.

Could there be some behind the scenes agenda to turn up the heat between these rival sects in Iraq?

Doubt it, see reasons above.

Originally posted by EvilSockPuppet
Is it possible that the Bush administration could have known that the removal of Saddam from power in Iraq could/would lead to renewal of old bitter sectarian conflicts between the Sunnis and Shiites?

A number of civilian leaders didnt have a clue.
Why do you think that US and allied forces are in this mess?

A part of the war plan the potential self destruction of Islam in Iraq?

That dosnt make any logical sense Islam existed long before anyone had heard of America.
Why would Islam suddenly self destruct now ?

[edit on 24-2-2006 by xpert11]

Islam is stronger than ever. The comic made the link between Islam in different countries even stronger.

I think some of you miss the point. "Self-Destruction" of Islam in this context and in the subject line means in Iraq. Not the self destruction of Islam as a whole on a global scale.

Was there any US pre-planning in regard to sectarian war in Iraq?

I am sure there was, but did they know it would happen and want it this way?

It could be better to have them fight each other for numorus reasons.

This discussion was nothing more than food for thought, I thought conspiracy theories were open for discussion here.

Take the rose colored glasses off for a while and look around again.



ESP

A full blown civil war would be the worst possible thing for the US. There is no way they could handle a full scale civil war they just dont have the people to handle something like that. Full scale civil war could very well lead to a US pull out.

People believe the US wants Iraq so bad that they would hoax a attack on their own people (9-11) to get the public support to go in. And then they are going risk all their hard work by sparking a civil war

For being a conspiracy board some people let their haterd of the US blind them from connecting the dots. Ask yourself who would benefit the most from a civil war causing the US to pull out?

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
A full blown civil war would be the worst possible thing for the US. There is no way they could handle a full scale civil war they just dont have the people to handle something like that. Full scale civil war could very well lead to a US pull out.

I agree with you, in this one, our troops will go from fighting insurgents and terrorist or foreign fighters to no even knowing who is who while the Iraqi people is at each other.

Is going to be a hart time for our troops that is for sure.

US would not pull out is still more to the invasion of Iraq that has not been resolve yet.

Remember the said so [You brake it you own it] if US pulls out of Iraq now after opening the Pandora box what kind of respect will we get from the rest of the entire international community.

Specially when so many countries were against the US invasion of Iraq.

US will support Iraq to the end.