Fire Fight into Area51

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
suppose a large enough group gathered and just marched en-mass with the media to cover the attempt...
A large gathering occurs every year in Blackrock Nevada... it is called Burning Man.. (thousands)
A bunch of creative freedom loving artists and hippies...
i think they could be talked into it...
They have already driven from all over the country... a few more miles wont hurt...
no guns no violence... just a wall of people marching up a road with the media to "protect' them.
I think they might get in the gates...
But i also think that They wouldn't see much...
Area 51/black has been moved long ago.
I have my suspicions where... but wont tell on this public board.

I've posted many thoughts about a similar hypothesis of mine, can you U2U me and let me know what your suspicions are?

Bad Idea, what if you really can't handle the secrets. Or what if the secrets aer 1000 times deeper than you ever imagined. Basically I'm saying, be carefull what you wish and/or plan for.

EVEN IF a group of people could get in (area51) by whatever means, they would find nothing.
Its not like they've got a hanger (18?) with a spaceship and you could just walk up and see it.
The real base is ALL UNDERGROUND with access being concealed. You wouldnt even see the door, let alone the secrets behind it.

I'm not too bothered by Areas 51. I want to know about Dulce and Denver Airport !

1. Obtain aerial photographs of facility and surrounding areas.

2. Obtain accurate inventory of security guards.

3. Identify weapons.

4. Identify surveillance technology, including locations.

5. Identify escape routes.

6. Identify path of entrance and ultimate objective (you want to be in and out, and know exactly where you are going).

7. Identify means of transportation.

8. Muster all essential personnel and brief them on the mission intel.

9. Obtain sufficient amount of weapons, supplies, and technology to support the mission.

10. Work with local civilians to establish cooperation on their behalf in regards to concealment of troop movement in the area.

11. Send in recon unit beforehand to identify points of weakness.

12. Once a sufficient amount of intelligence is obtained, and all necessary preparations have been conducted, initiate Operation Whirlwind.

13. Take no prisoners.

If you need advice on what weapons and technology would be the most suitable for this type of operation, refer to the following link to answers.

www.historyofmilitary.com...




Mr. M

The best way in would be to either be highly trained yourself like a special forces guy (SAS or Seals) then i red that the russian special forces Spetnaz use a plain to para drop into enemy bases etc, cant rmemeber the name of it but its made from fibers and wood and trabels so slow it canr be picked up on radar...(this may be false but then im not to sure) if u had this plain and guys trained u could go into the base at night and do a Halo Jump or w/e..then the spec forces guys or urself could get into the base once inside us EMP to disable the cameras etc...but if you use this the base may have some kinda of lock down so they'd have to be inside if they where gonan use it. Once in they could have cameras attatched to them like the Seals do on "the rock" they could film everything and have a live feed to some guys computer or somthing. If by any chance they did sucsessfuly do this (anything is possible) then i wonder how the # they'd get out....possibly if the base goes into lock down and they get out fly in a chopper and extract them. or they get one of those big baloon things and all attach theselfs to it and a Herc picks them up (Hurc has steer rids which go under the baloon and then lock over the cord so that the guys are pulled away with the herc...or somthing like that anyway)

Originally posted by Who Dares Wins
The best way in would be to either be highly trained yourself like a special forces guy (SAS or Seals) then i red that the russian special forces Spetnaz use a plain to para drop into enemy bases etc, cant rmemeber the name of it but its made from fibers and wood and trabels so slow it canr be picked up on radar...(this may be false but then im not to sure) if u had this plain and guys trained u could go into the base at night and do a Halo Jump or w/e..then the spec forces guys or urself could get into the base once inside us EMP to disable the cameras etc...but if you use this the base may have some kinda of lock down so they'd have to be inside if they where gonan use it. Once in they could have cameras attatched to them like the Seals do on "the rock" they could film everything and have a live feed to some guys computer or somthing.

If by any chance they did sucsessfuly do this (anything is possible) then i wonder how the # they'd get out....possibly if the base goes into lock down and they get out fly in a chopper and extract them. or they get one of those big baloon things and all attach theselfs to it and a Herc picks them up (Hurc has steer rids which go under the baloon and then lock over the cord so that the guys are pulled away with the herc...or somthing like that anyway)

LMAO!! My theory on, " If by any chance they did sucsessfuly do this (anything is possible) then i wonder how the # they'd get out"

Most likely in the back of a hearse,
S.

i think that it is pssible with the right techniques and weapons.
it would be hard but we have to outsmart the government, something not easily done. the first step would be to get inside people that you can trust, we need people who right now aren't in the bases that are willing to join us.
then they need to get a job in a 51, tell all of us what is nessesary to get a job there, then get a bunch of us and military in the job.
then get together our huge volentary army. have them storm the base, rpg's flyin, shooting emp's, everthing, then send in all the hijacked tanks from the vfw's around the u.s.,

at that time half of the people inside the base working for us to turn and attack everyone else working for area 51, the other half in the confusion would the take all the important things from the base out the back door and release it to the public.

A group with some miltary experience may stand a chance, but a group of people looking for green men will end up in a big bloody mess

These threads make me laugh.

Especially when I get this picture in my head:

"What the #? Theres noone here!"

"Theres not? #, we've raided the wrong base!"

(Sounds of crickets).

Well...In my opinion... It would be nearly impossible to even get a peek of area-51 from the inside...even if you were invisable. It's probably the most locked-down place in the U.S. I wouldn't try it unless I was smokin' somthin' I shouldn't be!

Originally posted by Chitose
Well...In my opinion... It would be nearly impossible to even get a peek of area-51 from the inside...even if you were invisable. It's probably the most locked-down place in the U.S. I wouldn't try it unless I was smokin' somthin' I shouldn't be!

Well... you have Tanopah Peak... or whatever it is... don't have a map here, but if you want to get anywhere near it... that's about as close as you'll get, is that peak... and then you have to worry about "Camo-Dudes".

How about somehow just kidnapping one of the CD's after they get off of work, and interrogating them?


Mr. M

ok, im brand spanking new here, so bare with me if i sound stupid and all.

First, lets consider an air attack. For one, they are bound to have anti air because it is an AIR FORCE base. even if you managed to bust into a military hanger and kidnap some pilots, you'd have a hard time getting the pilots to do what you wanted them to do, because they'd know perfectly well that they would get shot down in a heart beat.

Now for a ground assualt, lets just say, led by a local militia. you must consider the bases defences. first, they have cammo dudes, the first HUMAN opposition you would face. but even before that, motion, thermal, and other various scanners and cameras. Im sure they've got Little Birds or some kind of recononsense (cant remember how to spell it!) plane/chopper keeping the potential battle ground recorded in real time back at the base. so now, you have computer geeks to worry about. you dont have an i.p. address or port number, and chances are, they simply wont have these important connections, as opposed to you, that are needed to hack into any computer system what soever. if you even tried to hack area 51, the tiger teams would be on you so fast its pitiful.

now, supposing you kill a few camo dudes, right? now, you have several hum-vees with 50 cal's attached to them circling around you, waiting for an order to shoot. you also will have black hawks souring right over you, and they WILL knock you down. how did they do this so dam quickly you think? the answer would be in their real time battle net. they can see all over their field of battle and would probably do a pincer movement from the sides with humvees followed by a flank from the front and back with ground men, each with M16's. again, you think, how did they assemble so quickly? the answer is simple. they are the best of the best. first in, last out. they can get into target buildings and out with their prisoners faster than the D-Boys (well, maybe with the same speed as them), and what are you? some local militia that has zero experience with special forces tactics and doesnt have a real time battlenet. (even if it did, it would be scrambled by tiger teams) all of your men would flee and your force would probably be shot down. there goes your commandership for your group and probably your life.

Also, special forces will not care if they have to mow down civilians and media in order to get to the threat, whether armed or not, because you were told deadly force would be issued long before you were engaged.

the fact is simply put, your average joe doesnt have the balls nor the skill to launch any worthy assault on area 51. And anybody WITH the balls (ex seals, rangers, D-boys, berets, maybe even british sas operatives, etc.) respects the need to know code and would probably be assassinated or thrown in jail for aiding in a domestic threat to a top secret military base. the key would probably be thrown away too.

soooooooo, do you still want to launch an assualt against the most highly trained special forces in the world? no? i didnt think so. but if you want to try, go right on ahead, but if you still want to try, then do it in a more subtle way, such as kidnapping personnel or infiltaring the base. (please note that i do not endorse this, im not dum enough to try.)

the last thing we must remember is, are we READY to hear that there is a race supreme to us? are we READY to learn of alien races whos power and control far exceeds or own? no, most people are perfectly happy NOT knowing and the people who thought they wanted to know, found out that they really didnt. the human race always has and will always fear anything that is stronger than them or anything that they cannot understand.

peace out, aggroskater.

[Edited on 3-4-2004 by aggroskater]

in response to the halo jump theory...

any movement, no matter how slow, will show up on radar, even if you are completely motionless, you will be detected, because radar does not track the actual movement of the aircraft. it records the radio waves that will bounce off the air craft and head back, and then relays the info as a relative position in the spectrum of the radar. (this is why the stealth project was big, just pass through the waves!) they would see some little dot just sitting there, or moving very slowly. and by then, you will be dispatched. if you were to try this at all, you would want to be flying in on a blackhawk below radar. even then, the missle defense system (im assuming the base has this, as it is an airforce base) will activate, similar to the patriot missles deployed in iraq to stop the SCUDS, only designed for much smaller, faster moving objects.(this defense system could even be lasers, as the military has already tested laser anti air stuff that can shoot down missiles and such). A missile will then be lauched at your chopper. kiss your butt goodbye.

[Edited on 3-4-2004 by aggroskater]

This type of post has been posted SO MANY TIMES, I could probably go into the hundreds counting off the names...

Seriously, when they mean they WILL SHOOT TO KILL, this isn't just an empty threat. Area 51, and all high-security government facilities are heavily guarded, and the guards ARE trained to shoot to kill. How stupid is it that you would try to storm an installation like this? You understand that you will be so outgunned, right? And where in the hell are you gonna get a ROCKET-LAUNCHER? A gun, maybe, but unless you go off the blackmarket, a semi-auto is all your gonna get. While they have:

a) Helicopters mounted with .50 caliber machine guns
b) Automatic guns
c) .50 caliber high-powered sniper rifles
d) Grenade launchers
e) TRAINING
f) Military support

This is the stupidest notion I have ever seen, and it has been posted so many times.

As for the answer to your original post - NO

No one has ever tried, and to attempt it is basically digging your own grave, come on...

BTW: Like it was said, all of the doors are most likely eye-sensored and finger-print sensory guarded. Meaning that you need to have a retna scan and a finger-print test to access entry through the door. EVEN if you get through (which you won't, no one will) how are you going to get through these doors? They are most likely programmed to only accept the scientists/certain guards with the certain level of security clearance...

-wD

[Edited on 3-4-2004 by WeBDeviL]

i do not believe, (obviously, from my post) that you will get very far with a storming of the place. but if you somehow managed to do it. then you would have to search for the right body for the retina and finger print scans BEFORE the body lost all heat. good look........ again........ face it, nobody is getting in by means of a fire fight. infiltration maybe, but if you've ever posted on here before, than you WILL NOT get the job. the cia and fbi scan your back ground VIGOROUSLY. they will call up your old friends from JR. HIGH SCHOOL and ask about your personality, they will pull up their logs for your internet activity and notice that you posted on here. oops! no more infiltration for you!

you would have no chance

for example area 51 would have similar security as some bases in england where the following has happened.

they have a restricted zone around bases and if you go within those restricted zones, they have microwave technologies that could either put you to sleep, or make you feel very ill.

there are cases in england where some activists have gone too close to top secret bases and they were subject to microwave radiation.

so in effect they could stop no matter how many people you would have in your group, because it would just engulf all of your personel and like i said they could just put you to sleep.

of course they also have many other technologies etc... at these bases, but that is just an example of what happens at some english bases.

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by andy1033]

ive heard of those before in Popular Science. They called them pain wave guns, or something like that; that are used for, what do ya know? holding back crowds. its supposedly a last resort before opening fire on a target. all it does is send waves through your stomach that make you want to puke, similar to kemo therapy, minus the actual radiation and very bad sickness. doesnt feel good. similar things have happened to me like that, but not at a military base or anything. i was already sick as a dog.

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by aggroskater]

i prefer to call them pyschotronic weapons. there are various types. ranging from from making people sick to making them fall asleep.
i think the military tend to use more advanced stuff like microwave weapons. but there are also electronic transmitters that can do the same things. all that do is to broadcast at a certain frequency through what could be just a small transmitter or speaker.
like i say the ones that were used at that base i talked about would probably had come from a certion microwave transmitter. those weapons can be in theory used to kill people, so i would not advise people to even attempt to go to secret bases like area 51 in nevada and various places in england.

with the electronic devices i think they can just use small devices that send a pulsed signal towards the target at a certain frequency. what frequency it is will depend on what they want to do to you. but like i said they can quite easily aim ones of those things at you and make a person fall down asleep.

another example is the police in england have access to these sort of devices, like electronic devices that can be used to have an effect on the heart, which in theory could give you a heart attack. they probably say they use them for police work, but knowing humans you can guarentee that they are sometimes used to harm unsuspectadly people.

and that is just a start of what areas like area 51 would have in deence, so all the recent threads about getting alarge amount of people to go to area51 would be a waste of time. these basis do have very good weapons that are not told to the public.


[Edited on 4-4-2004 by andy1033]