Scientific Proof Cheney's Shooting Story A Lie!

Alex Jones and Team Expose the Lies!!

Article:
www.infowars.com...

Direct video Link:
downloads.nfowars.net:81...

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[edit on 18-2-2006 by markusjharper]

[edit on 18-2-2006 by John bull 1]

What is this saying again? I don't really get the point? The guy was closer than Cheney estimated? Lord, help us. 1st Serpo, now this. This forum is supposed to be for critical thinking, not disinformation campaigns. Sad really. Maybe it is just human nature. If we want something bad enough, we will twist reality and interpretation to meet our preconceived desires.

[edit on 18-2-2006 by Apoc]

Sorry to disappoint. My dearest apologies for not having the ability to determine for myself how to engage in “critical thinking”. However, this is hardly debatable unless one actually takes the effort necessary to read the entire scientific report - which you did not do.

Go back to South Park if you cannot offer anything of the progressive nature, or be more specific, see?

As was pointed out in the other thread about this, there are many flaws with their "ballistics test".
1. They should have used ballistics gel, not cardboard.
2. They should have tested the exact same shotgun he used, with the exact same ammo he used, or tested every type of both.
3. They should have taken into account the conditions of the day.

Those are just three of the problems with their "scientific test"

Hi Zaphod58,

I could not find the other thread but I'll keep looking. I'd like to address your valid points:

1. They should have used ballistics gel, not cardboard.

As shown (a picture) in the article: (not shown in the video)
www.infowars.com...

Gelatin Testing: #8 Birdshot Statistics

Range: 3 yards
Shotgun: 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnumn
Round: 12 gauge 2¾ Remington Heavy Dove 1-1/8 oz #8 Birdshot
Gelatin: 9'x9'x19' 10% ordinance gelatin block
Measured Average Permenant Cavity Penetration: 4.5 inches (11.4 cm)
Temporary Stretch Cavity: 1.0 to 3 inches (2.5 to 7.6 cm)
Calibration BB Velocity: 623 fps
Calibration BB Penetration: 12.5 cm

2. They should have tested the exact same shotgun he used, with the exact same ammo he used, or tested every type of both.

In a murder investigation when they do not have the exact weapon they can reenact it and still produce close enough results. In this case, the exact type of weapon and ammo was provided to us. Thus the test was done based upon only the info provided to us. They told us what was used; nothing more is assumed other than what "they" already told us:

www.infowars.com... On the shotgun specifics.

3. They should have taken into account the conditions of the day.

The conditions can never be re-enacted exactly (in terms of weather) and if we were to rely on exact weather conditions, than I'm sure ballistics experts would not be required and no case ever proven.

The fact that Alex Jones had to conduct this test himself and our police could not, is another issue altogether. This should be of some great concern as this echoes a reoccurring trend, as of late - think 9-11 and lack of private investigations? Not to mention the Sherriff was prevented to conduct a report at the crime scene; which is illegal.

Even still, who really cares what happened? Was booze involved? What matters here, is that they lied to us "as usual" and broke the law and that is all that is required to be proven at this point.

Cheers.



[edit on 18-2-2006 by markusjharper]

www.abovetopsecret.com...

That's the other thread.

This topic is old news and is all ready the subjectx of another thread. It is also total BS if you know anything about how a shotgun blast works.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
As was pointed out in the other thread about this, there are many flaws with their "ballistics test".
1. They should have used ballistics gel, not cardboard.
2. They should have tested the exact same shotgun he used, with the exact same ammo he used, or tested every type of both.
3. They should have taken into account the conditions of the day.

Those are just three of the problems with their "scientific test"

I also think good Ole' Dick used a choke that would keep the shot in a tighter group as well. I still think 5mm shot is a tad much for quail, maybe duck, but I'd use much smaller shot hunting quail.

I also think good Ole' Dick used a choke that would keep the shot in a tighter group as well. I still think 5mm shot is a tad much for quail, maybe duck, but I'd use much smaller shot hunting quail

In the video, I believe Alex shot with the choke all the way in and all the way out, to account for the two possible extremes. The test was based on whatever info was provided and nothing was assumed.

repeat topic

This topic is old news and is all ready the subjectx of another thread. It is also total BS if you know anything about how a shotgun blast works.

Alex Jones proved that good old fashion physics still works; in this age of subtle non-think.

It ain't over until it's over....

Originally posted by Apoc
What is this saying again? I don't really get the point? The guy was closer than Cheney estimated? Lord, help us. 1st Serpo, now this. This forum is supposed to be for critical thinking, not disinformation campaigns. Sad really. Maybe it is just human nature. If we want something bad enough, we will twist reality and interpretation to meet our preconceived desires.

[edit on 18-2-2006 by Apoc]

Like you're doing? Please, don't just judge the poster, back up your claims with explanations and solid sources, otherwise all you're doing is fanning flamaes of hate and anger, not providing any real substantial information. WHY do you think this report shold be immediately discredited out of hand?

-Forestlady

Originally posted by markusjharper

I also think good Ole' Dick used a choke that would keep the shot in a tighter group as well. I still think 5mm shot is a tad much for quail, maybe duck, but I'd use much smaller shot hunting quail

In the video, I believe Alex shot with the choke all the way in and all the way out, to account for the two possible extremes. The test was based on whatever info was provided and nothing was assumed.

Problem is there are hundreds of chokes on the market, each unique in design and provide different results. Barrel length also plays a major role in shot spread pattern, and ammo matters more than you think. For instance, I load my own ammo, and I use a lot of different recipes. One day I decided to load 500 .308Win/7.62mm NATO rounds using my 1000 yard mix, and another 100 using the exact same powder, but with a charge that was 1 grain lighter for the posts sake 1 grain = 0.06479891 gram. The POI (Point of Impact) droped by 2.25 feet just by lightening the powercharge 0.06479891 gram. Granted I'm talking about a rifle round here, but it's just an example to show that when it comes to firearms "little things count more than you think". You also never get the same spread pattern twice.

I've caught a good amount of #4 shot 3in Mag Remington in my back area about 8 years ago, and guess what, absolutely no conspiracy, no coverup, and my friend didn't want to kill me. Everyone makes mistakes, when it involves guns people get hurt or even killed it's that simple. Trust me, I'd be the first person to nail any politician or "high ranking person" to a cross over anything firearm related, no matter what political affiliation.

What makes me sick and I mean literally to the point of physical nauseation is we have had men in battle killed by friendly fire, the Army tries to cover it up, service men have died every day this week and it goes unreported cause this "Cheney Story" gets all the play. Can any of you tell me one soldiers name that's died this week without looking it up? Anyone? People are dying while other people are crapping themselves cause someone had a hunting accident.

I mean Jesus, hunting accidents of this nature happen all the time where I live and it won't even hit a small town newspaper. I wish the best for the guy, and his family, but really, who cares.

[edit on 18-2-2006 by WithoutEqual]

Originally posted by markusjharper
Alex Jones and Team Expose the Lies!!

Article:
www.infowars.com...

Direct video Link:
downloads.nfowars.net:81...

Share, share, share! Pass this around as fast as possible...upload it to your websites, as this kind of stuff (simple as it may be) will do great damage to the NWO.


[edit on 18-2-2006 by markusjharper]

[edit on 18-2-2006 by John bull 1]

I was able to get the higher quality videos before they were taken down because of bandwidth issues.

I have made them available over Bittorrent.

Windows Media: thepiratebay.org...

Quicktime: thepiratebay.org...

As there is an older thread on the same topic, this thread is closed.


The older thread:
Ballistics test suggests Cheney shooting incident cover-up

Tags can still be added to cross-reference this thread.

[edit on 20-2-2006 by Nygdan]