UFO's=Fallen Angels?

Hi Unknown Agent. I read this from another thread and thought it was a very interesting read.
www.nesarasucks.com...

I can't say that I believe what it talks about but thought you might be interested.

It's in this thread. www.abovetopsecret.com...

I do want to say "why will no one tell us the true facts" We're always left up in the air about Aliens, The Bible etc.. You always need faith in your beliefs that requires no proof. So until I see an Alien or God then I'm just gonna live my life and try my best to do it good.

Originally posted by AccessDenied
No Idea why this thread was revived...but I have to respond.
I do not believe in Heaven, Hell, God, or Satan or ALIENS!
However...check my avatar
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If you believe it, you will see it.THOUGHT alone is a greater power.

I was with you up till you said aliens. I think it's pretty logical to assume there are other life forms in the vastness of the universe.

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You know I can honestly say in my own opinion that we (humans) have no idea of what's going on in this universe. And if we knew, it would probably scare the hell out of us.

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That would depend on how you classify aliens or other life forms.
I do not believe there are aliens flying space ships and landing here.
Perhaps in the vastness of the universe, there is life of some kind.Just not the Hollywood version many believe in.

My 2 cents.

Originally posted by Solarskye
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You know I can honestly say in my own opinion that we (humans) have no idea of what's going on in this universe. And if we knew, it would probably scare the hell out of us.

Probably why it's such a big secret.

Honestly, we have enough problems here on Earth. Not to mention, we don't even know the secrets of our own planet, yet we want to search for the secrets of the universe!

Until we can resolve these issues, we really shouldn't be all that concerned about the huge Universe.

reply to post by Briggs

briggs did u ever work at a group home in watsonvill

UFO's and Angels... Either subject does not preclude the other. There are billions of stars out there and astronomers are already discovering "Earth like" planets orbiting some of them. Odds alone indicate that some other life forms could exist out there and it is logical that some race of alien life could have evolved to a point wherby they can undertake space travel.

Angels on the other hand, well, they have to be decontextualised from religion. Even if they are not, it is indicated that the underlord itself was once the greatest loved and trusted of the angel hierarchy. Satan/Lucifer (the debate is ongoing as to whether they represent the same entity) was/is an angel just like Michael and Gabriel. The point is, despite the differences of opinion shown by the "fallen angels", could they actually exist, are they "UFO" driving licence holders and perhaps most importantly, do they really represent good and evil?

Could they exist? Depends on your point of thought. Houdini could perform great magic using physical means and yet some perople were still convinced that he possessed "ethereal powers" despite his protestations. The creation of the universe was a physical act surely, it seems sensible that a God and associated angels could be physical entities too.

Science has shown that there are different orders of dimensional existence to the physical world, certainly angels could exist but our understanding of them has to be removed from that promoted by religious texts. Let me give you an analogy. We use labels all the time to categorise and cache people into easily referenced niches. The taxi driver who take us to the aiport, the pilot who flies our plane when we get there. All of these people are described by function and yet they too have lives that exist outside of their interactive role. So it may be with angels. They may perform a function within the universe but it is not clear what they are outside of that function.

Historically, they have been Messengers of God, or perhaps, maintenance "men" for the purpose of ensuring that the universe actually works. We see that specific laws controlling the way the universe behaves and evolves, yet we also we aberations. Could the function of angels be to manipulate the universe at a lower level to ensure that it still keeps working along specific guidelines? Whatever the case, it is clear we like to assume that they are good or evil.

Good and evil are only contextual references to the outcome of specific actions. They do not describe the action itself. There is no absolute good and evil, they are only diametrically opposed in order that a balance can be struck in the physical order of the universe.

I give an example from an old text:

“God did become and create for purpose but man lives without wit of that divine way and yet is given free will to ponder the extreme forces that create and destroy and yet may both be praised as good and condemned as evil as your own priests would have it. Does not the light of Sol prompt the crops to grow yet burns and withers if unabated? Does not the rain bring succulence to the same crops and yet may feed the rivers to flood and kill? God has no mystery for those in harmony with the World that has become. Let no man judge the work of the divine for it is in being that such work may be apparent and for this all praise must be given. All things may come to those that believe and see the way of God."

All things... ALL... may be "priased" as good and "condemned" as evil as they are subjective matters. The actions we undertaken to protect ourselves are deemed as good but regarded as evil by our enemies. So it is the converse is true.

There is no proof, there is no evidence of real quantity and quality to debate, however, it seems to me that "angels" may be the keepers of the ark of life of creation and destruction that the universe represents, aliens simply live in it just like us, albeit with better technology.

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"And maybe even mentioned in the Bible" ?

The Bible has the most famous abduction cases of all time.
Moses
Enoch
Ezekiel
Jonan
Jesus

and UFO witnesses
The Three Wise Men
Paul
Moses
Enoch
Ezekiel

and a USO eyewitness
Jonan

Originally posted by unknown agent
This is a thoery which i am not entirely sure of. i actually thought of this a while back and then ran across a book about it not to much longer afterwords. this book is alien intrusion, written by gary bates. it provides very confincing information about ufo's being fallen angels/demons, including (but not limited to) little known reports of alien abudtion encounters being halted when the abductee calls out the name of Jesus. i wanted to see what everyone else thought about this idea.

Dear OP

*Short Summary on Fallen Angel*

This theory is not just theory for a practicing Christian, note that i said practicing Christian and not some scholar / expert in christianity or a church-goer that do not live as Christian. In Christian Ministry you will find that the demon manifest in many form as their "mask" , the worst mask they wear is the "Angel of Light" mask where they pretend to be a real angel from God and give false message and worse.

Do not confuse demons with the stuff from the movies like Exorcist or other monster movies, Demons are fallen angels and in angel hierarcy there are ranks just like military ranks, some are high rank Angel who preside over nations, just like the fallen-angel over persia who wrest with Gabriel when he is tasked to met with Daniel.

Bear in mind that though these fallen angels are spirit, they can manifest certain physical stuff given certain circumstances. Christian ministry that handle this kind of things know how some normal looking people suddenly eject multiple needles, nails and metals from their stomach without knowing how it get there (this is real example of spiritual attack by witchdoctor).

These fallen angels are historically rebel angels, It is written in bible that satan (lucifer) enticed 1/3 of all angels of heaven to rebel against GOD, thus God banished these numerous angels to earth. They know their time is short, so satan and his angels want to take AS MANY HUMAN SOUL as possible to hell with them. What i mean hell is the real hell where even satan will be punished along with all rebel angels and all human soul who reject Christ's offer of salvation. this is know in bible as THE LAKE OF FIRE.


*UFO as Fallen Angel*

The theory that UFO itself are manifestation of spirits are not new, A Practicing Christian cannot be touched by spiritual attacks like this, so they are immune to abductions or other form of attacks. Note that in bible it is said by Jesus that every true Christian is His Own and the Holy Ghost in every Christian is greater than all spirit in the world. In other words any true Christian is protected by God (because he accept God, and this offer is open to anyone who accept Jesus as Saviour). Other human who refuses Jesus's offer of salvation is subject to attack from these spirit beings, thus for example abduction phenomena that spiritually attack a person. Abduction, with its sexual & torture overtones are demonic in nature (Evil), no matter how demons pretend they are ET , they are still molesting humans.

Now im directiong you to review UFO cases from history and see how many many many UFO encounters are very similar to spirit/ghost encounter including the lying message from the supposed ET. Witness how a contactee become a laughing stock after they deliver the ufonaut's message. They are not hoaxer, they are the victim of hoax themselves. Many UFO witnesses also being used by these so called ET and tasked to spread message of peace and understanding from ET.. In the end they also got dumped and become laughing stock.

regards

Aleister Crowley describes this demon called LAM he had contact with




does it remember something?

Originally posted by Picollo30
Aleister Crowley describes this demon called LAM he had contact with




does it remember something?

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yes, this is one of the high level spiritual being encountered by Crowley. The similarity of Lam to modern grey are very striking.

alas crowley himself was used by these beings and end up dying alone and penniless..

Originally posted by unknown agent
This is a thoery which i am not entirely sure of. i actually thought of this a while back and then ran across a book about it not to much longer afterwords. this book is alien intrusion, written by gary bates. it provides very confincing information about ufo's being fallen angels/demons, including (but not limited to) little known reports of alien abudtion encounters being halted when the abductee calls out the name of Jesus. i wanted to see what everyone else thought about this idea.

Here's a page with a bit about this book
www.newleafpublishinggroup.com...

I have read his book and I believe his take on aliens being trans-dimensional beings is correct.

I think a there has been a big 'snow job' to convince the world they are aliens from other planets.

Originally posted by Xenothrope
BEFORE ANY ONE POSTS:
I ask you keep an open mind AND REFRAIN FROM SLAMMING CHRISTIANITY OR ORGANIZED RELIGION IN GENERAL

Thank you.

So we must refrain from what, doing what you lot do to everyone else. Well excuse us for stepping on you holy than thou merry band of nutters toes. Skwish.

Its ok for you religious nuts to call everything Satan, and evil but we cant say anything about Christianity and organized religion, well that boat has sailed long ago.

Its called karma coming back to bite you in the A H