Penn and Teller's debunking of a JFK conspiracy

Has anybody seen this?

It is very interesting. At one point they debunk the theory that the Shot to JFK's head came from the front, using a melon. They shot the melon with the same kind of gun that Oswald, supposedly used, from behind. The melon had the exact same reaction that JFK's head had.

well didn't you know? Lee Harvey Oswald was the greatest sniper in the world.

Originally posted by MacDonagh
well didn't you know? Lee Harvey Oswald was the greatest sniper in the world.

I actually disagree with this assertion, but I think you were being sarcastic.

LOL. Aye I was. Do you think that the fatal shot came from behind?

They are entertainers.

And if they had made a film, one of millions upholding the conspiracy viewpoint, you would have never even heard of it.

People will buy their product, for the purpose of disputing it.

A great way to sell stuff.

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Originally posted by MacDonagh
LOL. Aye I was. Do you think that the fatal shot came from behind?

No I don't. I think you can get experiments to show whatever you want, if you try hard enough. I also have to keep in mind, Penn and Teller are also magicians. They are masters of manipulation.

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft

They are entertainers.

And if they had made a film, one of millions upholding the conspiracy viewpoint, you would have never even heard of it.

People will buy their product, for the purpose of disputing it.

A great way to sell stuff.

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I agree. While, I must admit I love their shows, I usually disagree with their viewpoint. It's still funny when they edit the show to make everyone they disagree with, look crazy.

OffTopic:It's strange the effect that entertainers have on people's minds. For example, I disagree with Bill Maher and agree somewhat with Bill O'Reilly, but I never watch 'The Factor' and can't get enough of 'Real Time'.

Originally posted by trudginup

Originally posted by MacDonagh
well didn't you know? Lee Harvey Oswald was the greatest sniper in the world.

I actually disagree with this assertion, but I think you were being sarcastic.

I believe that he scored pretty high on his Marine Corps shooting exercises.

Although Oswald bragged to civilian co-workers about his marksmanship while working for a defense contractor (soviet spy???), I believe he only recieved the corps' lowest "acceptable" rating.

I thought sharpshooter was the lowest you could score and still pass? maybe a marine from that1957-1959 period could say.

(couldn't edit my own post properly for some reason. Here's what I've found:

from this site which explains marine corps training:

Range Scoring

The scoring for the range runs like this:

Expert: 40 -65

Sharpshooter: 35-39

Marksman: 25-34


This site about Oswald says he qualified as sharpshooter.

I just wander if they had the same requirements/titles back in the 50's.


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During his Marine Corps service in December 1956 Oswald scored a rating of sharpshooter (twice achieving 48 and 49 out of 50 shots during rapid fire at a stationary target 200 yards [183 m] away using a standard issue M1 Garand semiautomatic rifle). Although in May 1959 he qualified as a marksman (a lower classification) military experts examining his records characterized his firearms proficiency as "above average" and was, when compared to American civilian males his age, "an excellent shot."

en.wikipedia.org...

Some of Penn and Teller I like, Some is a bit overboard. Now here is one episode I enjoyed:

Penn and Teller on PETA

Still, question everything, especially Penn and Teller.

Wupy

I haven't seen the show in question, but I can say that you can't accurately compare a bullet's effect on a melon to that of a person.

Oswald's accuracy with a rifle while a solider only holds any merit if you believe that the Oswald in Dallas that day was the same Oswald that was in the Army, and the same one that returned from Russia. I'm of the opinion that it was not.

Originally posted by el_topo
I haven't seen the show in question, but I can say that you can't accurately compare a bullet's effect on a melon to that of a person.

Oswald's accuracy with a rifle while a solider only holds any merit if you believe that the Oswald in Dallas that day was the same Oswald that was in the Army, and the same one that returned from Russia. I'm of the opinion that it was not.

Caught me, red-handed! I don't believe it either, and I posted a thread in skunkworks going into why not! Can't believe I spent the time looking for how the marines rated rifle accuracy 40 years ago . . . .

"A team of experts assembled by the Discovery Channel has recreated the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Using modern blood spatter analysis, new artificial human body surrogates, and 3-D computer simulations, the team determined that the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository was the most likely origin of the shot that killed the 35th president of the United States."

www.msnbc.msn.com...

These guys are magicians ( illusionists), they are doing nothing more then painting another illusion.

Penn & Teller? They are now CSI experts? They are magicians. So they can make any outcome they want in any situations. They should be taken seriously about anything?

There was more to the murder than just the sniper, Lee Harvey oswald. He was a patsy just like he said on camera. Jack Ruby took him out because Ruby was a good citizen and fan of JFK? LMAO. Jack Ruby and Oswald had offices in the same building in New Orleans at the same time. This is a coincidence? Ruby was small time mafia and Oswald was CIA. Both groups involved in the murder.

BTW: He was an excellent sniper. This is why he was recruited by the CIA. He was also a loner and easily manipulated.

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Penn and Teller are a couple of clowns.. They just don't wear make up.
They are magicians.. And are in the biz of turning reality into what ever they want to make it as..

They are a couple of clowns bottom line..

I take nothing they say seriously.. I take it all for what it is..
An illusion..

They are clowns

Did I mention they wear clown shoes?

[edit on 25-1-2009 by zysin5]

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Penn and Teller are a couple of clowns..

They are a couple of clowns bottom line..

They are clowns

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oh, and people if you didn't know already, pen and teller, they are a bunch 0f CLOWNS.

Ya know, they may have a neat or funny presentation.
Maybe even thought provoking comments masked in
humor and sarcasm, but in the end... It's Penn & Teller!

It's like Michio Kaku doing stand up!