Jesuits...blamed for killing Popes and Presidents?

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
www.reformation.org...

Some interesting speculation there... but that's about it. I was hoping to see some supporting facts to go along with it, but oh well.

I have heard that JP1 was poisoned as well, having grown up in a Catholic family myself. Most people seem to think it was because he was about to reveal the 3rd secret of Fatima though. I've actually never heard of the Jesuit conspiracy version before.

This was the story I read a while back about the so-called whistle blower who SPECTRUM media thought was credible enough to publish his interview. Pretty spooky stuff, kind of long, but a good skim.


www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

Okay, now this thread is starting to pick up a bit of steam. Thank you to all of the contributors...

Fr. Malachi Martin wrote about a dozen books, including one on the Jesuits. You might want to check it out, after all they did kick him out.
I didn't get to meet him before his death, but I was told by those that knew him that he was a true genius.

If want to read something really interesting, check out the oath the jesuits take. You'll find it at www.remnantofgod.org look for the jesuit oath on the bottom left. You have to read it to have an idea of who they are!

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
The jesuits were charter by pope pius III, who was one of the least repsected popes of all time. There are theories that the Jesuits are ruled by a "Black Pope" who will one day assassinate the real pope and take of the reformation of the church, creating the one world government. Goergtown University is the birthplace of future Jesuits trustees. All interesting theories, yet if you are unwilling to research yourself, you are learning counter-productively. AAC

THe 'Black Pope' referred to so often is the Captain General of the Order. Jesuits as a rule have been obedient to the Pope. They were indeed founded as a Counter-Reformation order and throughout the years have served in roles admirable and less than admirable. Like any human institution, the Jesuits have been influenced by men both good and bad, brilliant and idiotic. Most Jesuits today are highly educated men who act as professors at a number of Catholic universities and seminaries. It is true that a number of Jesuits are ex-military; I came close to becoming a Jesuit myself after - like Loyola - I suffered a career-ending injury while in the Army. I think the attraction of military men to the Jesuits rests with the order's doctrine of obedience, discpline, and the espirit d'corps that was a hallmark of the Jesuits. In any event, as far back as the early middle ages, a life as a priest was considered to be one of the few acceptable professions of a vavasor who was too crippled to continue to fight as a knight. As the Jesuits was founded by a crippled soldier, doesn't it make sense that Loyola would actively seek men like himself?

And Ameythest? Jack Chick is a nut case. I am generally pretty tolerant of people's beliefs, but this guy's claims are patently ludicrous. I particularly like the one where the Catholic Church created Islam to kick the Jews out of the Holy Land...or how about the Jesuits creating the nazi party and the communist party only to have their well-laid plans backfire? Oh, those silly world-domineering Jesuits! What a campy crew? PUUUUUU-leeeeeeeeze!

Frankly, if you are looking for the true evil masterminds of the Catholic Church, those industrious shadow men bent on world domination - look to the Trappist monks. Bread-baking assassins skilled in using their rope belts as garottes and practicing biological warfare. Who else could be responsible for the invasion of the virulent killer bees save those demented Trappist beekeepers? What, keeping bees for candles, honey, and mead? A likely story!

A post script - lest the Trappists come after me, the previous graf was intended to be satire. No actual Trappists were harmed in the making of this farce....

"Red Mass"
is to pay honor to
St. Thomas Moore who was beheaded for treason against the king of England. The treason was listening to the Pope over the king.

Now check Out this part of Wikipedia's entry for Anti-Catholicism: "......Catholics constitute an imperium in imperio, a sort of a fifth column of persons who owe a greater allegiance to the Pope than they do to the civil government,...."

This is what they do to infiltrate and undermine free Republics and this is what they have done here. They have infiltrated our civil government and have changed it to an oppressive and un-free society

This is out and out proof that the Catholic Church, the Vatican, the Pope, the black Pope and his Jesuits are running things here in America. For they are ALL honoring this St Thomas Moore through the "Red Mass" who was beheaded for treason! wikipedia url for anti-catholicism: en.wikipedia.org...
you have to substitute the .. with shift 3 (pound sign) because all posts with the pound sign turns to .. on myspace for some reason.


Now some of you may wonder what the big deal in all this is. Well, what if the Pope and the Catholic church have said that the U.S. Constitution is a "satanic document" and have been the enemy of freedoms all over the world? well, they have. Here are some contrasts between the U.S. Constitution and the Laws of the Roman Catholic Church.

"The Church of Rome Against The American Constitution."

Charles Chiniquy Said, "Rome is constant conspiracy against the rights and liberaties of man all over the world; but she is particularly so in the United States.
"Long before I was ordained a priest, I knew that my church was the most implacable enemy of this Republic. My professors of philosophy, history and theology had been unanomous in telling me that the principles and laws of the Church of Rome were absolutley antagonistic to the laws and principles which are the foundation-stones of the Constitution of the United States.
"1st. The most sacred principle of the United States Constitution is the equality of every citizen before the law. But the fundamental principle of the Church of Rome, is the denial of that equality.
"2nd. Liberty of conscience is proclaimed, by the United States, a most sacred which every citizen must uphold, even at the price of his blood. But liberty of conscience is declared by all the popes and Councils of Rome, a most godless, unholy and diabolical thing, which every good Catholic must abhor and destroy, at any cost.
"3d. The American Constitution assures the absolute independence of the civil from the ecclesiastical or church power; but the Church of Rome declares, through all her Pontiff's and Councils, that such independence is an impiety and revolt against God.
"4th. The American Constitution leaves every man free to serve God according to the dictates of his own conscience; but the Church of Rome declares that no man has ever had the right, and that the Pope alone can know and say what man must believe and do.
"5th. The Constitution of the United States denies the right in any body to punish any other for differing from him in religion. But the Church of Rome says that she has the right to punish with the confiscation of their goods, or the penalty of death, those who differ in faith from the Pope.
"6th.
the Constitution of the United States is based on the principle that the people are the primary source of all civil power. But hundreds of times, the Church of Rome has proclaimed that that this principle is impious and heretical. She says that 'all government must rest upon the foundation of the Catholic faith; with the Pope alone as the legitimate and infallible source and interpreter of the law.'
"I could cite many other things, proving that the Church of rome is an absolute and irreconcilable enemy of the United States; but it would be too long

Has anyone read "50 years in the Church of Rome"?

Its an autobiography of an ex-catholic priest who knew Abraham Lincoln on a personal level. He says that the ones who conspired to kill him were Jesuits. Charles Chiniquy was one of the most famous people back during that time. I recommend everyone read the book, and you can read it free online!

very interesting ill read up more on this

Interesting reading about this sect;
www.biblebelievers.org.au...
baloria

[edit on 9-6-2006 by baloria]

here's a video i put together about jesuits. lots of pictures of catholic clergy with nazis and more....

video.google.com...

If the Jesuits were TRULY running things, would the DaVinci Code have ever seen the light of day? Unless, of course, that Brown is a secret Jesuit seeking to eliminate the power of Opus Dei....

I - like many Catholics - served my nation in the uniform of the United States Army. I am proud of my service, proud to be an American. I love my country. I knew a few Jesuit Chaplains as well. Quotiing Wikipedia is often dangerous. While they are getting better at rooting out the more nonsensical entries, this online people-pedia has a lot less professional editorial oversight than many conventional references. But this insistence on Catholics being disloyal has long been with us. The Know-Nothings used this charge as their most potent weapon to stir up anti-Catholic sentiment as they pursued their nativist agenda. John Kennedy was practically forced to make a public statement that he would forsake his religious principles if elected as president. I have never seen a Protestant or Jewish politician put in that position. It is a holdover from the nativist movement that Catholics are inherently disloyal.

The video? Jack Chick much anyone? A more focused, well-reasoned thesis illustrated by carefully considered media that builds on a logical foundation would carry much more weight than a slide show of the abstract.

Finally, as a man who knows a number of Jesuits, I can say this. These men are incredibly bright, well-educated, motivated, and loyal to the Church. They have also been rigorously trained in ethics, philosophy, and logic. There is absolutely nothing in the New Testament or in Catholic doctrine that places the moral and ethical perogative on betraying the nation - any nation. This does not include protest, civil disobedience, or - in some cases - active resistance. I started this post with the statement that if the Jesuits were running things, this discussion wouldn't exist. I will end it with hyperbole that will NO DOUBT be misconstrued (but I love doing it anyway....). If the Jesuits - some of the best men the RCC can produce - were to be assassins, they would have done it perfectly.

how about the treaty of verona? that was a conspiracy to overthrow america and thus the monroe doctrine was established. also, how about the signing of the concordats between the vatican and spain, italy and nazi germany (all fascist nations and catholic). you served in the army, i served in the navy, but who did we really serve? who controls america? it certainly isnt Bush, we realized that as he read stories with school children while america was under attack. it was in the maninstream press that Bush said he would follow the words of the Pope, that menat destroying our constitutional rights which they have all about done.

so in about a week a head of to a jesuit college...anything i should keep my eye out for?

btw reportedly there was an exercism in St. Louis in which some of the religous leaders in the school where involed....www.prairieghosts.com... interesting stuff!

i should probably add the school im going to is St Louis U.....thats why i included the story of the exorcism....not to get the thread off track but what do u think of that story and the lost pages of the diary?

Originally posted by ALWAYSBABYG
If want to read something really interesting, check out the oath the jesuits take. You'll find it at www.remnantofgod.org look for the jesuit oath on the bottom left. You have to read it to have an idea of who they are!

Sigh. Another Chick-o-holic. There is a 12 step program for you guys, you know. Chick was a lunatic. Rivera was a hoaxster and con man. There are dozens of sites that provide the evidence - enough to satisfy most people.

The website you posted is hardly objective now, is it? The section of hatemongery concerning the RCC is pretty impressive. "Do Catholics worship Mary?" "Pope says Jesus is not needed?""Evils of EWTN?" This is the context that your 'Jesuit Oath' is nestled in. I will not use this forum to debate the doctrinal flaws of the ludicrous entries I provided as examples. Let us move to the point.

THIS link contains the REAL oath and information on how you can get a copy of your very own from the Library of Congress. www.geocities.com...

Your 'Jesuit Oath' is one of many that have been floated around for almost 200 years now in the US. America has a long and ugly history of hating and persecuting Catholics. In Connecticut, we were restricted from owning land until the 1820 rewrite of the state constitution. The 'No-Nothing' or Whig party was a nativist group that persecuted mostly Catholic immigrants in the 19th and 20th centuries. Their persecution was political, legal, economic, social, and criminal. There were some years in the 19th century when the number of Catholics lynched was nearly as high as the number of Black Americans lynched. Read Gangs of New York - or see the movie if the book has too many pages; the movie gives you a taste. I also suggest reading Parish Priest and a Faith and Fraternalism: A history of the Knights of Columbus" for more info on Catholic persecution in America.

If the thread is Jesuits, why did I spend so much time on Anti-Catholicism? Well, gentle reader, this is the genesis of this ridiculous oath. But wait, the Jesuits planted that bogus oath to deceive us, you argue. Nonsense. When it boils down to it, if the Jesuits really had the power and influence you claim it does, it would control things already. Most of the Jesuits I know are incredibly intelligent, articulate, devoted, and effective men. The Order is particular and chooses only the best. Believe me, there are a lot of ambitious men in the Order. And that's not a bad thing. If they wanted to rule the world, they would have pulled it off a long time ago.

When I come here, I spend most of my time defending my faith. This is called Apologetics. Do I believe in conspiracies? OF course I do - I am a professional historian. Do I believe that my church has a pristine past? Of course I don't. God has given us Free Will. That means that despite His guidance, despite His love for us, men can still choose do ignore Him and do the wrong thing. That includes priests and princes of the Church. America, land of the Free and home of the Brave gave smallpox infested blankets to American Indians. Race slavery was an institution for nearly 300 years, and Jim Crow kept free Blacks in a state virtually akin to slavery for a 100 years after that. Does that make America bad? Hardly. Mend what damage you can, deal with it, and move on. I'm not belittling these events, I am simply stating that we can't change history, we can only make amends for what has been done.

One of the jobs of a historian is to develop a thesis and defend it. You can go about it two ways. The first is easier; find only the citations that help you and run with it. Go ahead and publish it; it will hold up for about 30 seconds before someone blows you out of the water. The second is much harder, but will be more defensible. Analyaze your documents from multiple perspectives. Ask why the writer wrote what he or she wrote. What point of view are they expressing? How reliable is the source? What is their agenda? What was happening in the world around them when they wrote this? Can this source help or hurt my thesis? In either event, how can I use it to prove my point?

These are the things that a historian does. This should also be the approach of a responsible poster who wants the educated members of this forum to take your position seriously. As a devout man of faith, I defend my church. I have has debates with those who don't agree with me. When they are intelligent, educated, attentive, and argue well, I can at least respect them. When they rant and trot out dubious evidence, when they resort to invective and insult, and when they refuse to acknowledge the merits of my arguement, I have no use for them.

Thanks and God Bless you all -

dp

[edit on 2-4-2007 by cpdaman]

they was here at the beginning of this nation and started most of the universities in this country. the sure way of turning this country into a catholic nation. teach the young a false religion and they will teach their children and so on. the catholic church is everywhere. its the main fabric of this country. a "christian country" as they teach it. its not the real thing. this country isnt anymore a real "christian country" than iran is. it may label itself that but its just a mask. very very few people in this land are true christians. knowledge is power and most people do not have that knowledge. too busy with life and money. they would rather somebody tell them what to do, and what to belive. the jesuits know this and use it very wisely to their advantage. been doing it for hundreds of years. its nothing new. they are teaching our kids and us without us even knowing it.

hmmm i guess if you are 2 deep into religious beliefs passed down from your parents most will use the bury the head in the sand technique (survival mechanism) on this one otherwise deserves alot more attention

they help run this country. they are not just priests they are like someone said before, military. not with guns and anthrax but with the ability to control someones mind just by simply teaching things. this is what the real christ warned against. but i feel that its too late. people are content with their traditions and what they have been taught. surely if we call ourselves christians we'll all be protected. no way. thats not the way it works. anyway the jesuits have been around a long time and the ones before them and so on. the battle for the mind intending to decieve has been going on since the tree of knowledge of good and evil. there is only one way to not to be tricked and thats in a book whos author is not from this world. the more they can pull the mind away from that and keep it on the big neon light...the entertainment...work....buying....etc. the worse things will get.

well done

You have voted Funkydung for the Way Above Top Secret award.

the committee of 300 lots of "black nobility" as well as the 39 members of the bilderberg group made up of 13 people from each of the very influential NWO (secret society's) created by of all people and from the same blood line as jesus the head of the UNITED NATIONS from neatherlands Prince Bernhard

anyone that's openminded and not to "hamstrung" by old engrained religous beleifs
lets talk about there plans (and they do have plans) for the united states








[edit on 2-4-2007 by cpdaman]

Originally posted by catastrophic_insinuations
I like how the Amish never complain about criticism, maybe it's because they don't have an internet forum...

Yeah, the Amish and the Quakers practice Christianity, in my opinion, in its purest form. Forgiveness, love of thy neighbor and minding one's own business.

[edit on 2-4-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]