The mark on hand or forehead.

prophet, give me a time frame for when it'll be impossible to deny the end times are here.

now, once you present that, let's make a friendly little wager, no not money. if you're wrong, you will publicaly state that you predicted wrongfully, if you're right i will immediatly embrace jesus.

I'm seriously interested in this topic and revelations in general. I hope I didn't come off the wrong way with my last post, I just didn't think it was right to quote from the King James version when it's easy to find the info that proves that he changed it.

My own personal opinion is that the mark will be a microchip or a card like a credit card. Without it you won't be able to purchase anything.

IF that happens, I'm sure there will be a very large black market underground that starts forming. It will consist of mainly the people that refuse to get the mark. I'm sure it will all operate on the barter system since cash will be phased out by then.
My 2 cents....

I couldn't help but notice someone is saying this mark is "in" a person. I'll assume that's because your read it that way out of the translation you have in front of you.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, -KJV

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: -KJV

The greek word used there is "���" - the meaning of this word is this:
(If the greek font isn't showing correct then it is the letters Epsilon/Pi/Iota

Strongs #1909

1) upon, on, at, by, before

2) of position, on, at, by, over, against

3) to, over, on, at, across, against

(Never implying this is inside the person)

If it was meaning "within" it would of used the word "������" (epsilon/sigma/omega/theta/epsilon/nu) - strongs #2081



This therefore makes the chip theory harder to pursue as this is not in someone but upon them. (Symbolism)

Thank you for the clarrification. That would explain why every other translation of the bible says on instead of in like the King James version.

Originally posted by NumberMan
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, -KJV

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: -KJV

The greek word used there is "���" - the meaning of this word is this:
(If the greek font isn't showing correct then it is the letters Epsilon/Pi/Iota


If it was meaning "within" it would of used the word "������" (epsilon/sigma/omega/theta/epsilon/nu) - strongs #2081

Correct, but I'm Greek ie. a foolish one :shk:

Not sure what your implying with your response. The word in greek means exactly that in this context.

��� preposition
epi ep-ee'
meaning superimposition (of time, place, order, etc.), as a relation of distribution (with the genitive case), i.e. over, upon, etc.; of rest (with the dative case) at, on, etc.; of direction (with the accusative case) towards, upon, etc.


Mark (χαραγμα - Strongs #5480
a stamp, an imprinted mark, also used as graven

Nothing implying injection when used with Epi


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[edit on 18-1-2006 by NumberMan]

[edit on 18-1-2006 by NumberMan]

Another case in point:

Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. -KJV

The same Greek word "Epi" is used here in the form of a preposition genetive just as it is in the mark of beast verses. Should we go ahead and say his crown is in his head?

The NKJV (New King James Version) doesn't use "in" any longer when referring to those verses.

Revelation 14:9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand - NKJV


Revelation 14:9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, - NKJV

I'm agreeing with you, as someone that knows what 'epi' and 'esothen' means in proper context. As an 'Hellenas'

Thanks for your input, you killed the in/ on discussion dead.

nice inputs here,

also, would this be a physical mark, or a mark purely seen by awakened ones. A spiritual mark, or just seen on ones forehead, I mean, barcodes on foreheads. you know where I'm going.. don't get crazy

or will this be a chip, truly a chip, implanted, a chip .. figure it out

okay, we would need a chip. okay

okay

uhm, chip thyself for thy canth buy and sell. bummer

NO. don't get too crappy. ah we won't need those siddypididdilly things, yodiddeliedokelie.

when I see one crossing the street with a weird mark on his wrist, and a horn poking out of his skull, I'd get the picture. But still, I guess we soon find out, and recognize it., Then we might go along somewhere. Get those marked ones down, or at least not getting yourself marked.

Does the koran talk about a mark,.. of a beast?

and Vedas, do they have some significant symbol for this or buddhists or any other religions? who do also have something to do with this?

let's check it out.

greets, aa

This topic reminds me of these verses:

Deuteronomy 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

The Jews even today still wear these things called "tefillin" or "frontlets". You've probably seen them in pictures. It was a commandment in the Torah to do this procedure. Perhaps this mark on the forehead or hand is in opposite to what God Instructed as it's saying the same thing essentially. but instead of Gods words its the Beasts.

I'm a doubter of a chip theory. A chip in itself is no more then a Visa or Mastercard or a Hip transplant or Heart transplant. If by taking such a device into oneself you proclaim some oath or sign a paper that signifies you proclaim all your allegance to this authority and denounce the Almighty then yes the Chip works fine. You can see though that a chip is not needed to do this, it could be anything including an oath then you get food stamps or whatever...

first off, people have got to stop using the kjv bible, it's a horrible translation.

secondly, please cite a better version.

thirdly, i state for the umpteenth time, the book of revelation is not prophetic it's allegorical.

Originally posted by Vegemite
Its not a literal mark. Its supposed to be mocking God because in deutormy it says "let every person wear their faith on their wrist and forehead" so its not so much a physical mark as it is a metaphor for denying God

Do you have the exact verse for this? I've searched all key words and can't locate this verse anywhere. It's a great verse if it's really there, but if it's not then I guess we should set that one straight.

quote: Originally posted by Vegemite
Its not a literal mark. Its supposed to be mocking God because in deutormy it says "let every person wear their faith on their wrist and forehead" so its not so much a physical mark as it is a metaphor for denying God

There is no such verse in the bible, most of you didn't know that because you don't read it.

To those that have problems understanding the KJV, that's because of these verses.

I Cor 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.


I have the Spirit of GOD and have no problem understanding the KJV of the Bible.

It is the Spirit of GOD that moved through the men of GOD and revealed to them what to write and it is the Spirit of GOD that reveals to us what was written.

Most of you live by a translation, I live by revelation.

How blind are you ?

It is a "FACT" that the digital angel chip is currently being used for buying, and it can just as easily be used to sell, it is placed "IN" the hand.
What Part Do You Need Translated ?

Add to that the wars and rumors of wars, the earthquakes, the floods, the pestilences, the sexual perversions and the fact that the only way we could know that all these things were taking place is because of TELEVISION. This paints a very understandable picture of the time we are living in.

GOD does not send judgement without a warning first. All these signs are the warning of what is shortly to come to pass.

If you do not take heed you will find yourself in the "LAKE OF FIRE"
when the dust settles.

To those that are willing to gamble with their souls, help yourself, it will be you burning not me, I Believe.

You Have Been Warned And Will Be Without Excuse

Whether you believe it or not.

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lastday, there is no evidence of the digital angel chip

the mark on hand or forehead will never exist because revelations is nothing more than an allegory to christian persecution under the roman empire.

think about it, the roman emperor could have been seen as having dominion over all people, languages, nations, and tribes to a person of the time.

there will be no obvious end time, revelations will not come to pass.

also, why is kjv so perfect?

do demons cause linguistic correction?

has linguistics declined since 400 years ago?

is linguistics actually witchcraft?

what about people of other languages, do they have to read kjv?

Are you kidding man? Don't quote me King James translations when I know Hebrew and Greek.

Are you out of your mind thinking King James is better then the original texts?

You need to read the above posts as we clearly explain why the New King James no longer uses "in"

You've also missed the point of a mark. Another problem with this whole chip implant theory is the fact that having a chip in you doesn't make you an enemy of God. What if I get a heart transplant or a new hip? I have a Mastercard and Visa to buy things so what? It's not the device that goes in you that makes you an enemy of God, its the relationship this thing would have to have with those associated with it. Currently I see a chip as more of a paranoid government control scheme.

This still wouldn't make you an enemy of God. You would have to take some oath and by taking that oath you thereby acknowledge this Beast over God himself. If this Chip implant required you to sign or swear that by taking it you hereby say there is no God other then the one who gave you this device then yes that would work as a "Beast Mark", however you see a chip isn't needed to do that.

www.numberman.net...

Numberman, how blind are you ? I don't care how many translations you have read, the fact is you don't have any revelation. You are a natural man with the spiritual insight of a duck. This verse explains why you can't understand the KJV, I have no problem whatsoever understanding it and don't need a watered down, inaccurate newer translation like you and the others do.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

And This

2 Tim 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.


And so shall your folly be manifest to all

Lprophet, the bible is a book, a book can be understood through rational thinking, therefore, you are pointing out the weakness of your argument. you say that only the spiritually inclined (by which i assume you mean fundamentalist christians) can understand the bible.

you use this to justify that kjv is the only way to go.

yet you ignore linguistics. kjv was good for its time, but now we can translate it better.

name one reason, outside of the kjv bible (because you can't use a document to prove it's own validity), why kjv is a proper translation.

The King James bible is a Translation from the time period of 1611. Hebrew and Greek is ORIGINAL from the ORIGINAL time period so I don't think your getting it.

Originally posted by NumberMan
The King James bible is a Translation from the time period of 1611. Hebrew and Greek is ORIGINAL from the ORIGINAL time period so I don't think your getting it.

it would be a bit mean to force people to learn a new language to read them, so we do have to translate it into something they can understand already.

right?

The response was to the last Day "prophet".

I think what he's saying is his 1611 Old English translation of the Greek and Hebrew scriptures is more superior to the actual original texts.

The King James translation is loaded with errors.