NEWS: 1000's Of Tribesmen Protest Against Alleged US Zawahiri Air Strike

Well, then you are anti-every-government-on-the-planet, and you
are anti-every-religion-on-the-planet. Which is fine by me. Just
be sure to be equal opportunity anti-hypocracy. Otherwise you
fall into the hypocracy trap yourself. The tribes of N.W. Pakistan
are full of it ... hypocracy that is.

If the acts by politicians and religious leaders is hypocritical and causes detriment to others by providing a better life to others then yes. I fail to see your point, are you angry that I hate hypocracy?

Klepto - this is a 2002 article that says we are going to take DNA
samples.

archives.cnn.com...

The New York Times said that we took DNA samples at the same
time that we gave all terrorists medical check ups when they came
in. NYT has a 'register' for articles. I'll look to see if I can find it
unregistered somewhere and post the link.

We definately took DNA while we gave them medical check ups.
It was all over the TV news as well.

Flyersfan, you misunderstand, I am aware that the DNA samples may have been taken whilst at the camp, but what I required was proof that these individuals who were released had been involved in further terrorist acts.

I assume they were released in the first place because there was no evidence to hold them any further, if they were considered dangerous then why were these individuals released?



[edit on 15/1/06 by Klepto]

odium said -

So if a terrorist lives in my town, a man who I have never met or spoken with than it is fine for my family to be killed by the United State's? Because clearly I am harboring a terrorist...

Already addressed Odium - the TRIBAL LANDS of Pakistan run much
differently than towns here in the West. They know everything
that is happening in their tribal area. No one moves in or out without
permission from their tribal leaders. We aren't talking about cities
of a hundred thousand where no one knows each other and there
is freedom like here in the west. It's very different over there.

Klepto said -

are you angry that I hate hypocracy?

No. I am saying be an equal opportunity hater. If you hate
the hypocracy that the American government has, then don't
forget to hate the hypocracy the tribes of Pakistan have.
You can't harbor terrorists and embrace them and then
whine when you get nailed for it.

FlyersFan, really?

Who told you this? A lot of my friends grew up in those Areas of Pakistan or have family members there and they paint a heavily different picture to what the Western News tends to. The fact the "Elders" or "those in charge" does, doesn't mean every Man, Woman and Child does nor does it mean they have the ability to stop them from being there so to kill them on that basis is...well in my eyes they are terrorists themselves.

Pure and simple.

Already addressed Odium - the TRIBAL LANDS of Pakistan run much
differently than towns here in the West. They know everything
that is happening in their tribal area. No one moves in or out without
permission from their tribal leaders. We aren't talking about cities
of a hundred thousand where no one knows each other and there
is freedom like here in the west. It's very different over there.

So tribal leaders know, but does a young child or his family and friends know? of course not, the only ones to know are those to whom this is important which is why the Tribal leaders and the individual affilliates know.

If I am wrong then I apologise but I have yet to see where what you have stated is to be considered correct. That all individuals, not just Tribal leaders and the associates know.

It's very simple. One of the top leaders of the enemy was to be in a house for dinner with supporters. The CIA, going with the information, attacked the enemy (this includes the leader and those who support him). As is with all war, some innocent people will die, and that is always unfortunate, but, as we all know, the U.S. is fighting one of the cleanest wars ever seen in human history and that isn't good enough.

Maybe we should sit back and do nothing, just allow the enemy to gain strength, get organized, make plans and achieve victory, right? Why is it that the terrorist mastermind was not killed at the outskirts of town by the innocent people? Why is it that the many America-bashers never take the time for objectivity and ask that question? Why do they not realize that the reason we aren't living under one of two totalitarian regimes ever since the 1940's is because many innocent lives were regrettably taken back then, in order to make the world safe for future generations?

No. I am saying be an equal opportunity hater. If you hate
the hypocracy that the American government has, then don't
forget to hate the hypocracy the tribes of Pakistan have.
You can't harbor terrorists and embrace them and then
whine when you get nailed for it.

as I have asked before, show me when a political organisation in Pakistan agreed a terrorist act on US soil?

I have a dozen questions being asked of me ... if I miss one or two
here don't think that I'm ignoring ya' ... this is too many to chat with
all at once.

Klepto said -

If they were considered dangerous why release them in the first place?

Good question. Gotta' go look. MY GUESS - pressure from everyone
to let people go. So some got let go too early.

Yes - some are being seen again on the battlefield. Don't know how
many were back out and killed without verification that they had already
been in GITMO.

Gitmo revolving door -
www.msnbc.msn.com...

Jihad Watch: Released Gitmo detainees go back to fight US
Released Gitmo detainees go back to fight US.
www.jihadwatch.org...

Regulator, if the Head of CIA was invited to dinner a couple of houses down the road from you, does that mean you are automatically invited? Not at all, there are people who may have been aware of terrorists presence but there are many who were not. Even if they were aware, what do you expect these families to do? Run away screaming for US soldiers to take them away? I can't beleive some of the comments I have read on this thread.. I am just in awe..

Absolutely, what Klepto said. Because it is not a political organization but a terrorist organization, supoorted by members of that community who are willing to hide a murderer, we should do nothing to win the war. Because it is not a country, they should not be confronted, they should be allowed to kill us. Because it was not a country that attacked the U.S. time and time aain, finally leading up to 9-11-01, none of the attacks offficially happened, therefore we should do nothing.

Brain surgery at its finest.

Regulator, there is no proof that this man was killed.

To argue that this war is a "clean war" compaired to others, is a joke. The Pakistani Government should have been given notice on this information and then a Joint Force should have gone in there - it is that simple.

You want to beat these terrorists? They feed off of innocent people dying if you stop feeding them than they will starve. If they bothered to use troops, they could have stood a chance of capturing a "High Ranking" leader, someone who can help the War on Terror and who can help stop innocent people from dying...

Klepto said -

show me when a political organisation in Pakistan agreed a terrorist act on US soil?

The tribal leaders. They run their areas. The government of
Pakistan is too scared to go into some areas of their own country.

The tribal leaders habor terrorists. They aid them.
They agree with them. Then they whine when they
bring American bombs (death) down upon them.
THAT is hypocracy.

Like I said... if you want to hate hypocracy that's fine.
I'm all for it. Just be an equal opportunity hater.

Ok, Klepto, the head of the CIA is part of a political organization. Let's not mix apples and oranges, pal. You created the rules, I am simp,y going with them.
There is a large difference between the head of a large country meeting someone in a large city for dinner, and a small tribe meeting the #2 of a terrorist organization in a small community.

As a matter of fact, there is a legitimate need of the CIA (as we can see) and a terrorist organization. As I said, apples and oranges. Please.

Odium, you have several friends in Packistan? Really? You have so many friends in so many places who tell you so much, Barrister.

I'll make this even more simple.

During the height of the problems between the I.R.A. and the British Government, a member of the I.R.A. is in the United State's and happens to be going to dinner next door to you. The U.S. Government do not believe this is happening and thus refuse to act, do the British Government have the right to bomb that house and cause your death, your loved ones deaths?

Yes, Regulator, I do have friends from Pakistan and shockingly, I've talked about Terrorism with my Muslim friends - just amazingly. Like I've talked about the I.R.A. to Irish friends of mine.

Maybe it is about time you do the same instead of passing judgement on people you have no knowledge of...oh no wait...that'd be too hard.

Klepto said -

I was not aware that Aymen al Zawahiri was related to Bin Laden?

He's not. Not that I know of. What I was (poorly) saying was two things.

1- if we have some relatives of UBL DNA, we probably have relatives of
al Zawahiri to get DNA from as well. It's entirely probable.

2 - CONSPIRACY - It is MY OPINION - just my opinion - that we aimed for
UBL and not al Zawahiri. The government is talking az Zawahiri because
they don't want to get everyone chatting UBL and disapointed if we
miss again. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we are testing for UBL DNA.

That's just my opinion though.

Those links you provided are very vague..

"I do in fact have specific cases," he said, when pressed for further details, but declined to say more.

The returns quoted are quoted by US government officials, the same officals who have more than likely stated that WMD were in Iraq.

Seems like they were finding an excuse to justify having detainees at GITMO in the first place..

I knew I could count on you for simplicity, Odium, thank, thank you! However, the two are not quite the same. There is no way it should be allowed that this be allowed to drag on for decades and over many continents as your local conflict did in Great Britain.

As far as me passing judgement, Odium, I don't pass judgement, I look at the world realistically and see more than just a mean ol' America beating up on poor little peasants.

As far as you and your friends, I suspect anyone who seems to have so many claims to inside people who always tiell them how everything is and how I should think because you bring the information for the top of the mountain. I am not passing juedgement on you at this time, I am giving you a little inside peek of how you might be viewed by others. You should chew on it, Councillor, I don't like someone I voted for looking like a know-it-all teenager! I am the only know-it-all teenager tha I like. WEll, me and my girlfriend, who know more than I.