North Korea poised for war

This is current update on the north korea nuclear problem and the esclation of the future war. I am also looking this afternoon to find out if the blockade is in place if I find out I will post the news artical on this same link.

Here is the news story.

www.detnews.com...

Falcon

Man it sounds like trouble could spark at any moment. We couldf find a situation like the cuba missile crisis or something except George "idiot" Bush would be in charge instead of a more reasonable president like kennedy. ah d e a r. .

NK doesn't want war...they want blood money...

If they don't back off the bluff soon, they'll get their asses handed to them on a platter....

Found these interesting articles on the N. Korean situation.....:

"THE KOREA CRISIS"
Link:
www.foreignpolicy.com...

Excerpt:
"The Bush Administration Caused the Current Crisis"

"No. Bush�s �axis of evil� speech and his professed loathing of Kim may have exacerbated the current crisis, but they certainly did not cause it.

First, North Korea started its covert uranium enrichment program for nuclear weapons long before Bush took office. As far back as 1997, Pakistani nuclear scientists were shuttling to Pyongyang, providing technology for uranium enrichment in return for North Korean missile systems.

Second, prior to the October 2002 revelations and despite Bush�s occasional negative statements on North Korea, the United States had offered a string of consistent assurances at lower levels that it would pursue some form of engagement. These assurances included the creation of a package of new incentives and the expressed willingness to meet �any time, any place, and without preconditions.� In addition, the Bush administration abandoned several initiatives cited as attempts to derail North Korean engagement�revision of the Agreed Framework and a push for conventional force reductions�after they proved to be nonstarters with U.S. allies. Compared with the Clinton administration�s effusive advances to North Korea, Bush�s aggressive posturing was portrayed by some media as a dramatic shift, but the U.S. predisposition for engagement remained. The North Koreans� response? They refused to engage in direct bilateral dialogue with the United States, accusing Washington of high-handedness.

Third, there is no denying the harder turn in both U.S. statements and policy after October 2002. North Korea�s perception of the preemptive language in the Bush administration�s new national security strategy and nuclear posture review could only have heightened North Koreans� worst fears. But Bush�s unconditional refusal to talk with North Korea didn�t create the crisis. The administration believes North Korea stands so far outside the non-proliferation regime that negotiating its return would be tantamount to blackmail. Should Pyongyang first make compliance gestures, however, then the United States would be willing to discuss incentives including security assurances, energy, and economic assistance. Sounds like a negotiating position to us."


"North Korea's Choices"
Link:
www.washingtonpost.com...

"N. Korea vs. Iraq: why US response differs"
Link:
www.csmonitor.com...

"North Korea: Documents, News, and Analysis"
Link:
www.armscontrol.org...

"US Has No Intention of Invading N. Korea: FM Yoon"
Link:
times.hankooki.com...


I hope these help.
The situation is a delicate one but, personally, the 'ball is in Kim's court.'


regards
seekerof












[Edited on 29-9-2003 by Seekerof]

1) We did call them out first, which I found to be fine, but it could be taken as we are the antagonist.

2)They can't win, they don't want to win, they want money, it's obvious, but will they use this money for the people? Nope, they will use it to buy more surplus Soviet equipment, so no, the US won't give them what they desire, so be it, they launch one nuke at Japan and they as a country are history, if I was a NK, I would be getting ready to move NOW.

3)This is China's responsibility, why are they taking the silent approach here, what don't we know yet.

We will see how this plays out, and it's going to happen before the new year, that I promise.

[Edited on 29-9-2003 by Shining Wizard]

We need to cut the head off of NK soon, or something is going to happen that the US doesnt want. Not necessarily to us, but one of our asian allies.

We (the US) are in a very very tight spot here. I'm sure that the current US administration has their sphincters puckered to maximum. There is a problem with being between a rock and a hard place.

On one hand, the US could launch a pre-emptive attack on NK.

The PRO: This would keep them from actually launching nukes on anyone, and probably cut NK down at an alarming pace. Making NK no one to be bothered with for many years to come.

The CON: As if the US admin is not looked down on enough, they once again look like the big bad dog showing off to the detriment of another weaker country. All other countries, as well as the UN themselves, lean closer to attacking the US and punishing them for "war crimes".

On the other hand, we don't attack.

The PRO: We do not come off looking like the big bully and other countries start to think of us as an actual ally.

The CON: NK then still has nukes and the power. They decide to use them and attack us or our allies. Our allies then lamb baste us wondering why the hell the US did not keep NK from going that far. We are then scolded for "allowing this to happen".

So, what should the US admin do?????

They are, at this point, in a "lose lose" situation. No matter what we do, we are in for it from the other countries. All because we decided to attack Iraq.

Sorry to say, but the admin brought it on all by themselves. The pity is, the American civilians get the brunt of the jokes and crap from other countries.

It's a lose-lose for us...so for now, looks like we're biding our time, and leaving the mess for China to clean up. They are going to have to be the ones to put their little red-headed stepchild back in line.... This seems to be the current US policy, and barring an attack by NK on a neighbor, I have no doubt it will continue to be policy...at least until after the election, hehe....

If we were to launch a pre-emptive attack on NK I honestly don't see us just marching in like we did in Iraq. Kim is mad, and would most certainly take out everything he possible can with every weapon he has. I believe Kim won't do anything but make threats. China has too much pull on them and would probably cut them down if they got too troublesome.

If conflict did occur I wouldn't be suprised if NK collapses like Iraq.

There situation is so bad that to be a soldier you only have to be 4 foot 5. Because their appalling nutritiion has produced stunted and malnourished people.

Such deprivation would mean that there would be little in the way of reserves for a war. Right now there are city dwellers already eating bark and grass. One quick attack would see it all over and a relieved population might not fight.

Thats my assessment anyway.

Their biggest ally is CHina, who's already smacked them more than once. I think NK is blustering a lot in the hopes it will get money. I can see this turning into another cold war.......... but them not necessarily doing anything. They rely FAR too much on China.

China, has deployed a rather large number of its armed forces, to its border area with NK. This deployment, is for security reasons, and not an act of support. China, is pragmatic, and evolving, along with western ideas of economic development. She knows what side her bread is buttered onAnd just what the heck are American armed forces still doing in South Korea anyway? Its an area of cold war policy that never seems to get adressed. Let the same generation of young South Koreans, who dis our presence there, take up the burden of protecting their lifestyles. Which by the way could never have been attained, had they not been required to divert lager portions of their GNP, to defense

Do not forrget that - an agrreement between Clinton and south Korea was to give food and oil aid to North Korea, this stopped when bush came into power, then North Korea re-started the enrichment program.

I recently watched a documentry concearning the North Korean footballers that went to the quarter finals in England 1966, a british documentry maker was allowed into NK to interview the football players, he also had access to some sights and people in North Korea, I must say I was inpressed with the people of North Korea and the way they spoke. they were also very expressive with there feelings. the documentry maker went to a school and a factory and what came across was how intelligent these people was.

Also they went to a stadium where they were celebrating some event, I was amazed at the show the whole of the stadium performed. our Olympic openings etc are nothing compared to these peoples performance, and I must say they were alot of chubby folk in the film, they did not look hungry or upset of the leadership. I would be very wary of what propaganda you receive from US/South Korea. I have a feeling we could get this one very wrong.

I was also shocked to find out that the Korean War destroyed 95% of the country and its infrastructure and More than 5 million people died in NK.

Also remember during the 1966 world cup & late 60's the NK rebuilt the whole country.

Also note that Iran/Saudi/pakistan/India and probably many other countries now want a nuke, why, because if you have one or two u will not probably be invaded by America. take Iraq for example its looking increasingly like Iraq was no threat to anyone. they probably could'nt even fight the little island of Malta for example.

I supported the war at first. I am now increasingly worried about what we have created because of the war. Iraq is now full of people who want the west punished for what has happened to them.

I agreed with getting rid of Saddam, but now we are an aggressive occupation force. So take note, will we do the same to Asia.

NK has lost millions of people before, i'm sure they will be prepare to do it again if America and SK take a more agressive stance.

We have entred the most dangerous time since WW2, I'm sure the whole world will be at war in a couple of years and Millions will die again. It sickens me that we have learned nothing. what a world we live in

UPDATE

"N Korea threatens 'arms not words' against Japan"
Link:
www.abc.net.au...


Excerpt:

"North Korea says "arms, not words" were necessary for dealing with Japan's attempt to set up a missile defence system.

The latest outburst comes just days after North Korea demanded Japan be excluded from the next round of six-nation talks into its nuclear weapons program.

"Japan's moves for military build-up and overseas expansion have gone to extremes and the threat of missile and re-invasion comes from Japan to the DPRK (North Korea)," the North's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said.

"Closely following Japan's reckless moves, the army and people of Korea recognize that they should approach Japan with arms not words.""


Seems Kim is a wee bit pissed that Japan is working on a missile defence program.....poor man.....
Man needs to be visited by the boys dreesed in white carrying a straight-jacket.....


regards
seekerof

I've done a paper or two expressing my opinion on this...We are underestimating Kim, and his people. He is a far better chess player than we give him credit for. How else can you explain the fact that we know of prison camps the size of D.C. and do nothing, yet these people are starving and desperate for a way out? Soemthing doesn't really add up; how can he put up such a front of confidance? While the western world thinks in a game of poker, Kim is thinking as a general at a cheesboard, placing his various assets in strategic locales. Just as it is over here, everything he says is said for a reason.

It is also my personal opinion that both of us are employing terrorist groups as a sort of low-profile strike team. They attack us, we attack them. Geez, Great Britain was doing it way back in the colonial days, no one ever proved it though. the Barbary pirates had been bought, and America responded in kind, in a war on piracy. Research Qualla Battoo for more on that.

But how else can you expect Kim to make such threats; if he has a group that can and will deliver a nuclear weapon to any location he wishes, why even worry about the darn rockets? The rockets are to keep questions at a minimum, while the pawns move in the shadow of the queen.

Most americans don't even know that south korea had sent troops to help u.s. soldiers in vietnam. Which btw saved thousands of young americans from being sent there, they also saved many american lives with their tactics and aggressiveness. And yes many south koreans are protecting their lifestyles every young korean at the age of 19 are drafted into the military and their training is one of the toughest in the world, many south koreans either die or commit suicide. They also known to conduct special operations into n.k. and the ROK govt. admitted they sent 10,000 spies into n.k. over the years but most of them are presumed dead because they lost contact with many of them. So the young south korean people are taking the burden in protecting their lifestyle, they are a tough people.


Raymond

I feel the same way about the situation, but i doubt there would be a ww3 or a korean war 2 anytime soon.
And i have never heard of any propaganda in south korea about north korea, it's probably just george bush and his aides that are spreading it.