Planet X hits earth again 2012

National Geographic just reported it’s approach last week.

Good luck providing me with a link from a reputable source. Since no such object has been detected, I can say with absolute confidence that this is yet more ATS forum BS.

Originally posted by Gorguruga
Also, the article outright denies that an elliptical orbit can be maintained with stability, failing to appreciate the approx 10500 year elliptical orbit of Sedna nearly 3 times greater than the alleged 3600 year elliptical orbit of Planet X.

I will second that... with Eris (formerly know as Xena (2003 UB313)and bigger than Pluto)

Is Pluto the largest dwarf planet? No! Currently, the largest known dwarf planet is (136199) Eris, renamed last week from 2003 UB313. Eris is just slightly larger than Pluto, but orbits as far as twice Pluto's distance from the Sun. Eris is shown above in an image taken by a 10-meter Keck Telescope from Hawaii, USA. Like Pluto, Eris has a moon, which has been officially named by the International Astronomical Union as (136199) Eris I (Dysnomia). Dysnomia is visible above just to the right of Eris.

NASA APOD

THIS is the Planet that everyone has been confusing with "Planet X" in the news...

Now I am curious about why the image shows the planet to be so HOT

[edit on 26-3-2008 by zorgon]

Please explain why you think that the image above shows Eris to be "hot".

Originally posted by Mogget
Please explain why you think that the image above shows Eris to be "hot".

Okey Dokey... seeing as you asked so nicely

Here is an INFRARED image of the Moon...



It is from NASA APOD... The brighter the spots the hotter the area... ( and Tycho is surprisingly 'hot"

The bright spots correspond to the warm areas on the lunar surface, dark areas are cooler. The brightest spot below and left of center is the crater Tycho,

apod.nasa.gov...

Now the image of Eris posted earlier also on NASA APOD was taken by the infrared telescopes at Keck Observatory... (hence the image title from NASA eris_keck.jp )




Ergo my question why is it so 'hot'

Now it COULD be giving off heat like Jupiter... or it COULD be highly reflective and bouncing back all the suns energy to APPEAR 'hot'

Hope that helps clear this up for you



[edit on 27-3-2008 by zorgon]

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do you even read your own sources ????????????

and is likely composed of frozen water-ice and methane

and where does it say that the ERIS pic is an IR image ?????????

the keck 10m scope[S] has several cameras - its NOT just an IR imager

here read that - its the range of instruments that keck employs

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
do you even read your own sources ????????????

Calm down Herr Monkey... I read just fine... and if you would bother to actually read MY posts you wouldn't need to get your undies in a knot...

I answered a post why I thought it might be 'hot' Notice if you will the quotation marks... I also stated that it COULD be from reflection I.E. ICE as in this clip from Hubble...

Because Xena is smaller than earlier thought, but comparatively bright, it must be one of the most reflective objects in the solar system. The only object more reflective is Enceladus, a geologically active moon of Saturn whose surface is continuously recoated with highly reflective ice by active geysers.

hubblesite.org...

Here is my work on ERIS so far...
www.thelivingmoon.com...


Besides the example you quoted "and is likely composed of frozen water-ice and methane" says its LIKELY... that means they are only guessing too

the keck 10m scope[S] has several cameras - its NOT just an IR imager

Gee really? well DUH But this wasn't an essay about the capabilities of Keck... If you wanted info on that you need only ask..

www.keckobservatory.org...

And most people I 'hang out' with have no difficulty in recognizing IR images


Now take a deep breath, take a chill pill, and try to pay attention...

You have anything for us on Nibiru?

Thanks for your post

Cataloged as 2003 UB313 only a year ago, infrared images also showed previously that Eris is actually larger in diameter than Pluto.

SOURCE: NASA APOD (Followup article)

...based on infrared light at a wavelength of 1.2 millimeters. This new measurement used radiation emitted by Eris in response to being warmed by sunlight ("thermal emission"), regardless of the shininess of its surface. The infrared findings indicated that UB313 has a reflectivity, or albedo, of about 60 percent,...

www.solstation.com...

Based on analysis of infrared sunlight reflected off of Eris' surface, the object appears to be almost white in appearance...

www.solstation.com...

[edit on 27-3-2008 by zorgon]

Zorgon,

You can't compare those IR images of the Moon and Eris. They have been taken with two separate IR systems with vastly different sensitivities. If Eris was in that picture of the Moon, it would be completely invisible. If the Moon had been imaged at the same level of sensitivity shown in the Eris image, it would have destroyed the optics of the camera being used (due to its phenomenal "brightness").

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Your work is awesome Zorgon..........

Where do you find the time?

U2U me if i can help.

Sorry to be off topic.

Mungo

Originally posted by Mogget
You can't compare those IR images of the Moon and Eris.

The only reason I showed both was so people NOT FAMILIAR with IR images would see that the brighter the color (ie) more white) represents a 'warmer' area

Not everyone on here is an expert on IR images

Of course you could simply have made a CONSTRUCTIVE post, based on your 'expertise' when I asked why is it so 'hot' and told us it was simply an ice ball reflecting a lot of sunlight... rather than take the route of attack



Silly Lemmings

[edit on 28-3-2008 by zorgon]

If you want me to stop criticising your posts, then stop trying to suggest that there is more to Eris than NASA is telling us. It is a large object that orbits the Sun in the Kuiper Belt. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the Nibiru/Planet X myth, and it certainly isn't going to come anywhere near Earth.

You and I both know that the reason that you posted your comments about Eris being "hot" was to make Planet X fanboys start thinking that this was actually Nibiru on its way back to the inner Solar System.

Hey everyone. surely if there was a planet sized object coming dangerously close to us, microsoft surely wouldnt give us access to telescopes online ... ie, microsoft worldwide telescope program that can be used from desktop..

Originally posted by Mogget
You and I both know that the reason that you posted your comments about Eris being "hot" was to make Planet X fanboys start thinking that this was actually Nibiru on its way back to the inner Solar System.

Well as I said before... you need to actually READ my posts... I am NOT a supporter of Nibiru...

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Ya know, u should look more into the story before sounding stupid

no problem guys any thing may happen in any time try to be good
may god bless you
ramesh

Here are a few ramblings from me for a moment. I don't know what to believe about Nibiru. I have a thought though, and it's just a thought. We all know that the government is hoarding petroleum, food, and metals. We know about the seed bank and the data bank. We know about the Hadron Collider. Here's my thought. What if the collider is actually an attempt at preventing a major cataclysm from Nibiru and the hoarding and the seed and data banks are for in case it doesn't work. Just a thought.

I think a lot of people take this 2012 too literally. Although a majority of people are saying "2012 Is the end of the world" it is not the end of the world. It is the end of how we see this planet, changes that will come starting that year. We are already seeing too many climate changes and so forth. This is what I believe is the meaning behind 2012. Obviously it isn't just climate changes, other things that will change how the earth actually functions. Perhaps polar shifting, causing more earthquakes, cyclones, tsunamis etc. Those who say "Can't wait until 2013 in NY.....to laugh at others about....." don't worry, you will still be around to see that it wasn't the end of the world as you thought it would be. So, if you're hoping for absolute destruction on earth....hmm....not likely. Keep watching cartoons, it will enhance your knowledge.....(Not).

[edit on 21-5-2008 by TheEnlightenedOne]

"The Sumerians never heard of the planet Nibiru. We do have their astronomical tables and observations of their astronomers. They only knew the planets Mercury through Saturn.

Their math wasn't good enough (and their instruments weren't good enough) to calculate orbits of rarely seen objects (you need calculus to do this, and they didn't have calculus."



I would suggest reading the Earth Chronicles by Zecharia Sitchin before you make sweeping statements regarding what the Sumerians knew and didn't know. I think from reading these 5 books you will glean that that they knew much more than you are giving them credit for, including calculus and geometry. According to Sitchin's investigations of this culture, they were well aware of Niburu and it's 3600 year orbital cycle. By May of 2009 Niburu will be visible in the southern sky and this pointless debate will take on a new meanin for the supporters of both sides of this question.

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i had a dream after watching an planet x video that night... now im 14 years old and i had no idea at this time wheather planet x was real or not i was afraid and leaning toward that it was real. Anyway, in my dream i went in a space ship and traveled around our milky way solar system. It was pretty amazing, but a couple planets were in the order but that was a little weird. anyway i kept going until i saw pluto. It was lit up (is pluto bright?) in my dream pluto was bright white. small as i expected and pluto is cool. i went beyond pluto expecting Planet X and there was no Nibiru. im happy because not i know planet x is not real from facts out there. in my dream it wasnt the end of the universe but there was more planets and stars. But NASA denied planet x and why would they not tell us? they would het more money... now i am still 14 years old and here is my theory... If this giant planet the size of 30 earths out beyond pluto (or Neptune depending of what time) is soposta be a brown dwarf. it is comming through for its 3,600 year orbit... im religous, so i believe there will never be and end of the world until Jesus comes down the earth. (THIS IS MY BELIEF SO DO NOT TAKE IT OFFENSIVE, I CAN BE CATHOLIC RELIGION PLEASE RELAX. i dont mean any harm or offense.) and you will never know when jesus will come down. it will be sudden and unsuspected. anyhow, NASA said it is false and it is not real. People say NASA doesnt want to start a golbal panic. BULLLooni! FALSE BOLOGNA. it is all false because Bush stop funding Nasa as much for war. (John McCane is another bush VOTE OBAMA) now if NASA wanted to be rolling in dough they could just say "United States Citizens, a Giant gaseous Planet is comming in 2012 and will cause 90% of the population to die. if you donate money to NASA we can learn more about this planet called Nibiru and we can maby stop it. Your donate is for the whole world" do you realize how much money Nasa would recieve if they said this!?!?!?! Also i do believe somewhat that there may be a big planet far away that affects neptune and plutos orbit. but there is a theory that it is half the size of pluto and is not even heading in our direction. Now people like "Yowbooks" on youtube and orginazations jumped over this planet x story and are trying to make money off this. please people DO NOT WORRY about planet x is real. please stop and thank you. Good luck to all of u in the future. thank you for reading this.

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Earth crust displacement is the scientists answer to the 2012 question. The spiritualist answer is a dimensional shift, but yeah, as for the scientist answer... The idea is that we are going to still orbit the Sun like normal, but on a new axis. This means that Africa could end u somewhere near a pole, North or South... don't really know. I'll tell you in 2012. But, furthermore, the last ice age was caused by this earth crust displacement story. They've found freaky stuff... like maps and things burried deep in ice, which only makes sense if the ice only pitched up later. What else... Uh, the chances are the Earth crust displacement scenario will take a whole whack of time anyway. Not a sudden shift at all. Whatever happens... Fearmongering is for sensationalists. DavyG