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Originally posted by FlyersFan
I don't think it's a deterant. I have seen no proof that it's a deterant.
It may be vengence. I don't mind people seeking vengence.
I know ... I know .. 'Vengence is Mine sayeth the Lord'
Don't bother quoting that to me. I don't care.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Supposedly it costs more to execute someone than to keep them
alive for the rest of their lives behind bars. I don't think I believe
that. Someone has to post some facts for me to see on that.
Kansas Study Concludes Death Penalty is Costly Policy
# The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases.
# The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).
# The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater.
# The costs of carrying out (i.e. incarceration and/or execution) a death sentence were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case.
# Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days.
Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis
Fair bit of info at this site about the costs involved:
www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Honestly, if it is about revenge ... I understand that and I don't mind.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis
Fair bit of info at this site about the costs involved:
www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...
Good find. Thanks.
Honestly, if it is about revenge ... I understand that and I don't mind.
If it's about detering future crime ... I don't think the stats hold that up.
If it's about clearing out space for more criminals because the system
is overcrowded with them ... I can understand that.
But for me, I feel we shouldn't be putting people to death unless
it's in self defense. That's a personal feeling and I can't show stats
or anything else to explain it.
Originally posted by Bandar Paul
Death Penelty is a complicated issue.
A couple of things that concern me about it are:
Besides the U.S., Singapore, and Taiwan there isnt much first world support, pretty much all the other countries that practice the death penalty aren't exactly good company.
Not positve about this one but I think the US hasn't executed anyone under the age of 18 since 1990 (or longer) but it is still an option for us. Execution of those aged under age 18 has occurred in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Pakistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Iran since 1990.
TheUnited Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, which among other things forbids capital punishment for juveniles, has been signed and ratified by all countries except the USA and Somalia (Somalia at the present time is unable to ratify), that is pretty sad.
Lastly once an innocent person is executed (which has happened) the executors lose credibility.
Shouldnt the US catch up with the rest of the first world?
Originally posted by zappafan1
No other country offers it's people as many appeals, in an effort to make sure the party is indeed guilty. We led the world in offering DNA as an effort to make sure those found guilty are indeed guilty of the crime as charged.
Originally posted by Bandar Paul
I agree that these treaties are somewhat useless, but thought it should be brought up that the U.S. hasn't signed something, which the rest of the world has agreed on, similar to the Kyoto Treaty but that is another thread.
Originally posted by Bandar Paul
Originally posted by zappafan1
No other country offers it's people as many appeals, in an effort to make sure the party is indeed guilty. We led the world in offering DNA as an effort to make sure those found guilty are indeed guilty of the crime as charged.
As for as a childs right to sue their parents over freedom of religion, I cant find anyhting like that in The U.N. Rights of a Child.
Here is the treaty www.canadiancrc.com...
I think you are referring to Article 14, which states
1. States Parties shall respect the right of the child to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.
I can think of some Muslim nations who have signed the treaty and dont in any way follow that. I agree that these treaties are somewhat useless, but thought it should be brought up that the U.S. hasn't signed something, which the rest of the world has agreed on, similar to the Kyoto Treaty but that is another thread.
As for your assumption that no other nation has as many appeal processes as the US. I cant think of any other but dont know how many other nations exist, but dont the executioners lose credibility when an innocent person (which has happened) is executed?