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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
.america is not perfect..but it is the MOST fair country this world has, with the possible exception of some small european countries... i name a few countries far more deserving of terorism than america... nigeria, saudi arabia, israel, palestine, iraq, iran, russia, somalia, cuba, colombia, most african countries really, in fact most countries are guilty of far worse atrocitoies... just check out amnesty internationals webpage if you will allow yourself to be taught out of your ignorance. www.amnesty.org. our big blotch in the world opinion is that we execute criminals. A good childhood friend got executed a few years ago... and friend or not... he deserved to roast (actually he was injected and fell to a long sleep) big woop... capital punishment it is a little better than gassing innocent children.
well last time i checked, they are trained like one, are funded like one, and operate likw one.
Originally posted by Fry2
well last time i checked, they are trained like one, are funded like one, and operate likw one.
Check again
They train as terrorists, not military.
They are NOT funded like a military. They are funded by religious extremists and Bin Ladens trust fund.
They do NOT operate like a military either. When was the last time a country's military used commercial jets as weapons? How about a car/truck bomb?
As I said, check again.
I'll make it easy for you, here:
www.unhchr.ch...
Article 3
In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:
1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.
To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
I would say that nearly 3000 people being murdered/mutilated/burned to death indiscriminately is covered by this one.
(b) Taking of hostages;
They train to do this!
(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;
(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.
Daniel Pearl anyone?
Originally posted by Fry2
No, actually. What I am saying is that they do NOT follow the geneva convention or any other customs of war.
Article 3
In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:
1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.
To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
I would say that nearly 3000 people being murdered/mutilated/burned to death indiscriminately is covered by this one.
so the 30,000 in iraq that were civiians, mutilated/burned to death are any more right?
(b) Taking of hostages;
They train to do this!
so, im only saying our actions arent any better.
(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;
(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.
Daniel Pearl anyone?
guantanimo bay, thousands held with no sentence, or some executed with no trial....
Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
hey mister "name here". where do you get your stats? and consider the size of our country and the population. we are the nicest big guy around... would you rather the african nations decide the policy for the world... come on man.. america ain't perfect but were hells bells better than the last great democracy (Roman empire). and Al Smegma is not a military group, they are a group of insane ignorant stupid men who listen instead of read. are we going to be held to the judgements of people such as them, or for that matter people such as you, who refuse to read. Instead you spew off stats that are impossible to prove... you can obviously read? we kill they kill we all kill, but we kill military not children. did you not watch the war? we had very little non military death at our hands considering the destruction we left. and yeah we screwed up Iraq... but way less so than saddam. now they have a hope for a future. We may have gotten involved with the worlds troubles but rarely are they worse off for it. and once again we are not perfect but we are the closest to it.
so the 30,000 in iraq that were civiians, mutilated/burned to death are any more right?
so, im only saying our actions arent any better.
guantanimo bay, thousands held with no sentence, or some executed with no trial....
Originally posted by Fry2
I don't buy into that. As long as these fundamentalists exist they will want to kill the infidels(us). This has nothing to do with some kind of "revenge" for Americas actions. It was a direct attack against our culture, financial strength and tolerance of religious diversity.
Too F-ing bad for them but I'm not moving into a cave and bowing to the east for prayer whenever someone on a hilltop starts shreiking.
I still would like to know how you consider the WTC as a valid military target. By your logic we should have levelled Baghdad with carpet bombing
Originally posted by WolfofWar
They should hope that they never use a nuke on us. If they think us going into a beserker and start bombing the hell out of random countries is bad (Afghanistan, Iraq...etc) watch what happens when they nuke us and give us a right to arm our 175,000+ Multi-nuclear warhead arsenal and fire some at them...
a nuke would only but wound our country slightly. Their nukes would probably be dirty bombs and such, nothing like what the US has. If they nuked us the middle east would be vaporized three hours later, I guarentee it....but as the president said in Austin powers 2: "...Would anybody miss it?"
exactly
[Edited on 9-19-2003 by WolfofWar]