Islamic Rioting in France

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Has anyone been following the US news channels?
How much coverage is this getting on TV?

FOX News has had pretty good coverage.

Originally posted by sminkeypinkey

Originally posted by Long Lance
the lefty euro community encouraged an influx of millions of immigrants who are apparently more and more disconnected from society, so, multiculturalism is failing in a big way

- You'll be able to back that claim up, right?
I don't think so.

Perhaps you might consider the whole issue of Empire and the effects that had on the whole matter of immigration and ethnicity in the various European countries.



The truth is 'Muslims in Europe' today has nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the old imperial Empires.

all over europe, huge immigrant minorities live in their own districts, living an alternate style of life (not a bigge all by itself) and often disdain the culture surrounding their neighborhoods (that's the issue), simply think 'women' and 'islam' and you'll get my drift.

defunct empires contribute, but guess what, the French have other minorities (eg. Blacks, people from island colonies and so on) and they're apparently capable of living their lives without torching the city for fun. i even linked info about a riot in Denmark, just to illustrate that these are not isolated incidents. the EU is, in this sense, really a union, pro-immigration policy was and is basically sacrosant, and surprisngly, rarely resulted in outright agression. of course, the people who started the fireworks are 2nd and 3rd generation, but that does not keep the establishment from categorising them as 'disadvantaged' and entitled to subsidies as well as political support, which in turn renders them priviledged, since although ethnic profiling is officially unthinkable, a stout multiculturalist can still do it, because anybody who disagrees is quickly swatted with the anti-fascism club...

but i guess somebody had to start and it seems as if muslims were reluctant to let pass such a unique opportunity and went at it in a hearbeat. just because politically correct thinking along with being a nice and servile, is very popular in the EU, militant minorities won't drop their natural instinct for domination, now will they? they know that civilians in the region (EU) are unarmed, subservient and fearful of violence, an eldorado for muggers who understand that the state's wild threats are empty and only affect those who believe them.

having the racism card up your sleeve is another plus as those pillagers might as well eat babies, you can bet the government gets more flak than them by the media, for doing nothing, low profile.

edit: since we talk EU, let me ask you a couple of questions: how many Turks live in Germany? how many North Africans (Algerians by origin, etc)?

how many were there in the 1950s? the 1970s? now? you cannot deny that every sngle european country is pro immigration (that's not a sin by itself mind you) and anybody questioning the attitude is immediately 'far right', right? sounds like encouraging to me, how about you?

[edit on 6-11-2005 by Long Lance]

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see anti-fascism/racism club

Originally posted by crisko
American Mad Man,

A majority of the people involed with the LA riots were Baptist. We should expunge them too huh?

No, because those riots were not about religion, they were about RACE. And frankly no one in America is causing half the problems that the Muslims are in Europe.

[edit on 6-11-2005 by American Mad Man]

No, because those riots were not about religion, they were about RACE. And frankly no one in America is causing half the problems that all of the Muslims are in Europe.

Very bigoted and ignorant of you. Do tell me, exactly what are half these problems, and how are they all related to Muslims? You will justify your stance, will you not, with some emperical evidence that Muslims are deliterious to European society, or will you just spout some more speculated opinion with little or no substance?

People like you are a danger to this world; your onerous and uneducated attitude to minorites is a problem; your regression from common sense is a problem.

This is not a mundane situation.
About 1,000 vehicles have been set on fire. Schools hae been set on fire.
Firefighters and ambulances have been attacked and so have the police.

True, there is travesty occuring, but to the extent of riots past commited, not exactly, and of which were given slighty less coverage. If anything, this has obviously propogated more hatred towards a community already devasted by a spurious attack upon thier religious ethos.

Luxifero

Originally posted by Luxifero

No, because those riots were not about religion, they were about RACE. And frankly no one in America is causing half the problems that all of the Muslims are in Europe.

Very bigoted and ignorant of you.

You do know I was refering to the Los Angeles riots, right? They were about race.

Do tell me, exactly what are half these problems, and how are they all related to Muslims?

Excuse me?

Have you missed the last week? 1000 cars on fire. Handicaped women lit on fire. Hospital workers stoned. All of which were done by rioters, which were almost completely MUSLIM.

And it isn't only in France, it has happened in plenty of other nations too, such as Denmark most recently. Do I need to get started on the problems in the UK? Or how about Holland where Van Gogh was beheaded for making a movie? These people have problems, and it is a shame that they portray other, good muslims like this, but the thing is, it is largely a MUSLIM problem.

Originally posted by DeusEx
Souljah, you keep going on about integration and all that BS...guess what, it won't happen in one generation, or ten, or maybe even twenty. I know blacks in the states have had a hell of a time integrating. Let me give you a good example:

I'm French Canadian. Born in Montreal, no less. I grew up going to Atwater Market and the St. Urbain district every other weekend. I know at least one branch of my family was in this country when it was still New France.

Quebec is 80% Francophone. My mom was a francophone, my father was not. I am an anglophone, growing up in a province in which I was the minority. What did I do?

I learnt French, dammit....

Do you think these Kids do not know how to speak French?

Do you think these Kids no not want to be treated as anybody else in France?

Do you think these Kids do not want a Normal Life in a Normal Neighbourhood?

Do you think these Kids do not want Normal Jobs, like Normal people, that are not named Muhammed or Ziyad?

Do you think its EASY for an averege Muslim to get a Job Today, when everybody think he is some kind of Terrorist?

Boo-hooo - so you had to learn french, BIG DEAL. I speak 5 Languages, because my nation is so small, nobody speaks Slovene, so I had to learn every other language in order to communicate. But I am still a Caucassian European Male, that does NOT have a problem getting a decent Job and a decent College Degree and a decent Look on the street from the Strangers passing by. And I think you do not have that problem either.

And if I would not have these priviledges, you are damn right I would be Angry...

Do you think these Kids do not know how to speak French?

Do you think these Kids no not want to be treated as anybody else in France?

Do you think these Kids do not want a Normal Life in a Normal Neighbourhood?

Do you think these Kids do not want Normal Jobs, like Normal people, that are not named Muhammed or Ziyad?

Do you think its EASY for an averege Muslim to get a Job Today, when everybody think he is some kind of Terrorist?

That is exactly the problem, these people dont get jobs because of the rascism in France. Not because they are ill educated, or dont speak the language or despise the state, but simply because the average Frenchmen has the same attitude towards dark skin as a Redneck from 1950's Alabama.

Dont beleive me? Name another country that supports fascists in such a big way in this day and age?

There is a hardcore of morons coordinating and carrying out this violence accross France while the majority want peace, there have been plenty of peaceful demonstrations during the day, but these are ignored in favour of Skorzeny's 'Scum' who come out at night.

perhaps i'm bigoted, but i don't care either way, these riots are slowly spreading to Germany now, all i currently have is German source, though i will try to keep you updated, IF they decide to cover it. of course nobody will ever think about everyday's anonymous victims, who will be stuck between a rock and a hard place, namely the mainstream, which wouldn't acknowledge guilt on the rioters' side even if they nuked Paris and the agressors who know damn well the sheeple are fair game.

i don't think rioting will get totally out of control, it will probably vanish miraculously with the arrival of winter weather. that's not exactly a good sign, since the message will certainly get through, that you do what you want, cite reasons you like, since your victims will be silenced - by the militant minorities and stubborn mainstream thought control. victims don't count, that's what the 20th told us. individuals will suffer while society is laughing at them. ('Darwin Award, loser, chlorine in the genepool, etc')

i found a link, for Berlin only, it's also happening in Bremen and Brussells, Belgium, though...

www.freerepublic.com...

www.freerepublic.com...

regards LL sorry for low quality linkage

[edit on 7-11-2005 by Long Lance]

i found a link, for Berlin only, it's also happening in Bremen and Brussells, Belgium, though...

Really? Funny how noone in the media seems to have noticed yet... Almost like a conspiracy. Or perhaps nothing is happening beyond the wet dreams of rascists who want to see a Muslim uprising to justify their bigotry.

This is not a race or religion issue, it is a poverty issue, race & religion merely confuse things. See past the way people pray and look at why they would protest.

Then send in the army to smash the thugs and anarchists who have taken over.

Originally posted by Uncle Joe

i found a link, for Berlin only, it's also happening in Bremen and Brussells, Belgium, though...

Really? Funny how noone in the media seems to have noticed yet... Almost like a conspiracy. Or perhaps nothing is happening beyond the wet dreams of rascists who want to see a Muslim uprising to justify their bigotry.

really, why is the tidbit about Denmark simply ignored and France put on the back burner by media then?! the link i provided is much more credible, before you start calling everybody who comes up with unpleasant info a liar you should apply similar scepticism to your ideological leaders who insist that anything that's wrong with your fav. minorities is the result of racism by the natives, no questions asked.

PS: i don't care wether you call the riots religiously, ethnically or economically motivated, it's irrelevant, these guys do it, they never run short of excuses, they're either too poor, too angry or too provoked by the gov't which shamelessly requests that they stop making bonfires out of other people's cars and homes.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by Long Lance]

There's a depressing story here on te situation with the Muslims in Europe:

brusselsjournal

Here are today’s headlines in Belgium’s (only) Sunday newspaper De Zondag. Page One: “No Sign of Revolt in Belgium Yet.” Page Five: “Violence Moves Towards Belgium.” It almost sounds like a weather forecast, anticipating the onslaught of a hurricane that is inevitably coming.

What is happening in France has been brewing in Old Europe for years. The BBC speaks of “youths” venting their “anger.” The BBC is wrong. It is not anger that is driving the insurgents to take it out on the secularised welfare states of Old Europe. It is hatred. Hatred caused not by injustice suffered, but stemming from a sense of superiority. The “youths” do not blame the French, they despise them.

Im in the UK, France is heaadline news everywhere. So its not put on the back burner. I assume your in the US, and in that case its beause the US media favours domestic issues.

And since the headlines here are nothing but French trouble you would expect any major Muslim protests elsewhere to be mentioned. Therefore i think it is just your usual squabbles being relfected in the light of French events.

And there are always reasons for riots, seldom excuses, but always reasons.

Originally posted by Uncle Joe
This is not a race or religion issue, it is a poverty issue, race & religion merely confuse things. See past the way people pray and look at why they would protest.

There is no protest, there are rioting mobs. Peacefull protests might actually gain them some some sympathy and even some change for the better.

Then send in the army to smash the thugs and anarchists who have taken over.

OK, so when the "thugs and anarchists" are surrounded by the army, and are told peacefully to stop and don't, and start throwing rocks and malotov cocktails at the army, and the army fires back, and kills say - 50 people, there will be no problems?

And if these 50 people all "happen" to be Muslim (since we all know they are) there won't be even more riots for killing them?

There will not be an "outrage" at the "racist" (As if Islam was a race) French army?

There is peaceful protest everyday. It is ignored by the media for the most part since crowds and banners calling for dialogue dont look as good as burning cars.

So there are legitimate grievances beyond thugishness.

And the British army in Ireland regularly surrounded molotov flinging mobs and didnt shoot anyone. Why? Because there are only so many molotovs that can be flung. The army would simply wait for them to run out and move in slowly, preventing any martyrdom.

Originally posted by Uncle Joe
There is peaceful protest everyday. It is ignored by the media for the most part since crowds and banners calling for dialogue dont look as good as burning cars.

So there are legitimate grievances beyond thugishness.

No - violence is not ever going to be legitimate in a domestic affair like this.

And the British army in Ireland regularly surrounded molotov flinging mobs and didnt shoot anyone. Why? Because there are only so many molotovs that can be flung. The army would simply wait for them to run out and move in slowly, preventing any martyrdom.

It was a hypothetical question.

If, for some reason, the army had to use lethal force, wouldn't more Muslims flip out and riot, no matter how justifiable the action of the army was?

Originally posted by Uncle Joe
There is peaceful protest everyday. It is ignored by the media for the most part since crowds and banners calling for dialogue dont look as good as burning cars.

i agree... i bet you won't see these stories in the media:

Iman condems riots

Originally posted by Uncle Joe

Really? Funny how noone in the media seems to have noticed yet... Almost like a conspiracy. Or perhaps nothing is happening beyond the wet dreams of rascists who want to see a Muslim uprising to justify their bigotry.

It's not a wet dream.
It's a nightmare come true.
There have indeed been arson attacks in Belgium and Germany.

CNN

Originally posted by Uncle Joe
Because the French are disgustinly rascist. Look at the last Presidential election, who came second? A Nazi, a genuine, old fashioned fascist. If i was a Muslim in a country that seemed far to keen on a party that wanted to evict me I would be less than impressed. Upset even.

The next thing to consider is the political representation of Muslims in France. There is not a single Muslim MP despite there being 6 million Muslims. So they have very little say on what actually happens, preventing progress in allowing for more integration.

Discustingly racist, yet your complaining that muslims are upset because they don't have any mulsim mp in office? are you making the point that individuals of a certain race only flock w/ those of their same race?
who's the racist here?

And another point we have the casual rascism that permeates French society, musilms are not seen as applicable for jobs where they are on view to the public, because French customers want to be served by French people. Perhaps not unreasonable in their country i hear you cry? But what is forgotten is that these Muslims are French, and many see themselves as such. So the French do not wanted to be served by other French people, but by white people.

what a load of bs... I'm sorry, but various immigrants who 'migrate' to france, learn the language, and adapt to the customs are embraced.
I am a white person, i've lived in canada my whole life until 03, when i've gone to quebec (french province) and spoken english i've gotten the cold shoulder or have been disrespectfully treated. If you speak their language it's a different ball game. If white people were to migrate to the islamic regions, would they embrace us or not? would they expect the same things we expect when it comes to learning the culture and speaking the language? It's a sign of respect. your point above isn't well taken as it appears it's a generalization and a slap in the face to white people just because they are white. you have a problem w/ white people and it's reflecting quite clearly in your most of your points.

In short Muslims have no political voice, so no legitimate way to really air their greivances and face day to day racism from arrogant Frenchmen. Its not hard to see why this has happened.

Wait a minute, I thought you just said above you thought they were french?
When in a new country do you want to be part of the country you migrated to or do you want to try and form it to what your accustomed to?
Muslims who have migrated to Toronto some not all make the argument that they should enforce 'sharia law' which is a muslim law into the ontario law books, the argument from other muslims is that they moved there to get away from that... I agree, thats 'part' of the point for immigrating...
Those that want to enforce sharia law need to go back to the country of which they came so they can be w/ the familiar.. obviously those that embrace sharia law are on the physical side of handling issues.

This is not to say that the rioters are totally blame free in all this, many Muslims should have put more effort into joining in with society, and i have no doubt that plenty of underserving scum are fighting for hte sake of it.

Those that want change usually protest in the peaceful way and write to their district represenatatives, when you riot your not advocating for change, when your burning innocent old ladies, your not advocates for change, exhibiting this kind of behavior will not get you anywhere, and it will not get you anything. You will be more of an outcast and people will not want you there, you will feel more unwelcomed, and then you really won't have anything.

These people whoever they really are (poor, muslim, black, whatever i don't care) are really stupid, ignorant, and deserve whatever is coming to them.
I do not pity them, feel bad or cry before bed for them.

If they felt unwelcomed before, they're going to feel even more unwelcomed now.. and after burning their own homes down, now they really dont have a pot to piss in. oh well, c'est la vie.

This thread seemed to be another example of the recent ATS habit of trying to portray Muslims as crazy fundamentalists who deserve what they get.

No, it's about them deserving what they give out.

It takes two to tango, the French are just as much in the wrong as the rioters here.

I guess that old lady really deserved what she got huh.. she must of done something terribly wrong to invoke fire upon her body.

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There are reports of churches being attacked by the rioters, so I'd say it is religion-based:

At Lens in the north, a firebomb was thrown at a church.

UK Telegraph

I don't think that's the only one.